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Please don't. As someone who never bought into the 10188 hype and doesn't have a single one for reselling purposes, I find this thread extremely entertaining.

As I stated earlier, the 75159 reeks of cockiness and laziness...like LEGO is so certain this set will sell as well as the original with limited effort.. If the rumors of a tweaked 10188 are true...it won't. I guarantee it won't. I can promise you the reselers of the world will steer clear of the new version. Let's see how many $500 sets are sold without the help of resellers.

Official LEGO leak!

I don't know which mod did that, but I'm dying here.

8 year old had this when I got home. Benny's...Metalbeard?

Risked a job? Bothans paid with their lives, man. Their lives.

Can you update today's pic? Add a bunch of grown men and computer nerd minifigs holding pitchforks.

Bags 10 and 11. Starts the upper back portion that will set onto what is done so far. Basically 2 levels of it. Last 3 bags tonight hopefully

As you can see I've been crunching the numbers and the data for over 48 hours (no sleep) after all this math and science I came to the conclusion!!! That it is in fact! A waste of time to keep talking about "what ifs" and just wait to see the images...and go from there. Certainly this is the correct answer if you look at he charts......

Is this before or after your Jet Blog? I was going to write a blog titled "Life is Not Fair" to explain all this, but I was pretty much done after the title.

I think we should just lock this thread now, it's not good for anyone.

This one, I think.

The Schwartz!

More pics should be leaked soon but this is a first look

Not gonna risk someone's job just because of a LEGO set

go animal style

No good promo, no 2xVIP, extremely low potential quick flip income = delayed purchase

Completely agree. This set has completely changed the resale game completely, and the fact that this WILL NOT sell nearly as well as 10188 will have significant effects on 10188 resale value. There is a MASSIVE cause and effect chain that can take place here, that could potentially shake the foundations of Lego resales forever. At $500 dollars, this set comes nowhere close to the 10 cent/piece price point where most consumers feel comfortable buying a Lego set. Heck, the Disney Castle is 4080 pieces for $350 which comes in below 10 cent/piece. I know we should base this more off of the weight of plastic, but that is NOT HOW A REGULAR CONSUMER ANALYZES A LEGO PURCHASE. As appears to be the new Lego pricing scheme, they would rather mark up a set to see what the market will tolerate. Then based on sales data, resellers will start to discount in order to move the amount of product they need to move. I.E. UCS Tie Fighter. This is clearly the new pricing strategy given the sheer amount of Lego's that can be had at 20% off their RRP on Amazon and Walmart at this time. Well, when this set moves slowly, after 12-18 months, Amazon and Walmart start to get a little antsy and need to clear out warehouse space. So what do they do? Start discounting. We thought the days of 20% off UCS sets was long gone, but the UCS Tie Fighter has clearly taught us differently. What level discount will it take to move this set? 10%? 20%? For many that don't think that can happen on a set of this magnitude, remember, 10179 was sold for 399 for a good portion of it's life cycle. 10188 was discounted a fair amount as well. If the general population did not buy enough 10188 at $400 to prevent discounting, just imagine what potential discounts await 75159 at $500. So what do you think happens to 10188 resale value if 75159 this set is tanking to $400 dollars to move some stock. Yep, 10188 will bottom out most likely to $400 as well. Now many of you on here are sitting on piles of 10188 bought on some B2G1 free deal or some other deal from TRU or B&N and have a buy in around $280 or so, and are feeling good while the selling price is at least $500 or so. Well.... doesn't feel too good when the selling price has dropped to $400 because 75159 was discounted to $400. At $400 - $60 in eBay/paypal fees - $40 to ship - $280 = $20. Awful lot of work for $20 dollars. If you haven't dumped 10188 before, probably now is the safest time to start dumping, and probably the first year that 75159 is out, as if 75159 starts getting discounted all bets are off. A set that when it first came out was billed as a sure fire winner, has now turned into a sure fire dud from a resale perspective. Resellers were a huge driving force for the sets valued at $200 and over, and especially 10188. There will be much more reserved buying from resellers. Consumers will also be much more reserved paying a premium for sets on the secondary market for fear that they may purchase a set for $700 dollars only to find that it could be remade and purchased the following year for $200. I've seen this happen when Art Asylum has continually retired, reissued, retired, reissued much of it's Star Trek Starship line. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....

My 6 year old daughter built this today.

here it is...

Stepped away for an hour , 50+ posts here . Thought the damn thing retired early .

Now 10188 is under 500.00 on amazon. I'll wait until I see the picture, but i'm glad I didn't listen to the people that said we should all buy 50 of these. At this point, those that said that were like realtors back in 2006, that said "if you buy now, you'll easily double your money in a year and a half".

Alteratively, add a random cheese wedge to the DS and claim its a new release.

I shudder at the thought of the state of this forum in two weeks time. What circle of hell will we have descended to?

Here's the general warning for everyone: DO NOT POST PICS UNTIL THE SET IS OFFICIAL We all like this board, and we don't need Lego's lawyers spending time sending letters to Jeff and Ed. Pics get posted, and we will start issuing warnings. There are plenty of ways to see this 'leak', but you won't see it in a public place on Brickpicker.

I think limits were abolished long time ago .. Couldn't keep up with @Alpinemaps or something like that

Got into the group and found out who took the photo. If this information leaks, someone could lose their job!! There's no full image.

Oh man, that label says 10188. You're best bet is to contact LEGO and tell them your 75195 was missing a cheese slope.

I'm at the stage now where I don't want this set released as this forum might die down a bit.

I removed it. Yes, because, even that tiny, it's still a pic of a set that we don't have official confirmation or announcement from LEGO. I'm sure piece count is a "proprietary" piece of information (at least in a picture). Just in case, I removed it.

Trying to read that took waaaay too much effort.

What blast ring?

It's not The Dark Knight Tumbler so doesn't mean anything to me.

Make sure you get your burger and fries animal style. I personally would rather have three Pet Shops than two Tower Bridges. Why? Because I already have enough Tower Bridges and not enough Pet Shops.

Let's take your examples of remakes one by one just for fun. Technic Race Truck Original 8041 (2010). Remake 42041 (2015). This is a true remake in every sense. Can't argue with you on this one. Burj Khalifa Original 21008 (2011). Remake 21031 (2016). For me this is a remake in name only. This is a complete redesign and a vast improvement on the original. Millennium Falcon There have been several MF. The last one was 7965 (2011). Remake 75105 (2015). I haven't built the new one so I don't have any personal experience but it does appear to be a very close remake except for the radar dish of course. I give Lego a pass on this one. I mean, a new movie was coming out with the Falcon in it. What were they supposed to do? They would have been criticized for not releasing a new one. Winter Toy Shop Original 10199 (2009). Remake 10249 (2015). Again, I haven't built the original but it does appear to be a very close remake. For me, this is the most egregious example and sign of laziness for a theme that is highly anticipated each year although I will point out that it was 6 years between the two though. Assault on Hoth Original 7666 (2007). Remake 75098 (2016). I assume 7666 is what you were referring to when you said this was a remake or perhaps a combination of some of the smaller Hoth related sets that have been released over the past couple of years. Either way, I agree with you. This was a lazy move by Lego. VW Beetle Original 10187 (2008). Remake 10252 (2016). Again, this is a remake in name only. They are completely different and there is eight years between the two so not a problem for me. Christmas Train Original 10173 (2006). Remake 10254 (2016). From the pictures we have seen there are significant differences between the two so is it a remake? Maybe. I think the new one looks significantly better and it is 10 years between the two so I don't really think we can complain about this one. In closing I think that only Technic Race Truck, Winter Toy Shop, and Assault on Hoth are really egregious remakes that seemed unnecssary. Now there are plenty of remakes in the Star Wars and City themes and supposedly more to come next year that seem uncessary to me like Desert Skiff although I will reserve judgement until I see pics of the new one.

Now that it is officially marked as discontinued by manufacturer by someone that isn't the manufacturer , in for 20 more .

The problem i have with that theory is this. People were paying $600 for 10188 because it had retired. It sold to people who missed the boat and were panicking that the price was only ever going to rise. Safe in the knowledge that even at $600 the price would probably rise and they wouldn't lose out. 75159 coming out as a rehash has just blown all that logic to pieces. It's likely to be another long shelf life set so there's no rush to buy, the price will no doubt drop at points and it's not going to hold value or appreciate for a looooooong time. That is not a good $500 proposition for most.

The Beetle was ripe for remake and the new one is beautiful. The Xmas train is different. WTS, on the other hand, was laaaaazy.

2002 was an entirely different world - there is nothing much we should try to learn from those examples (plus, I am sure if there were any people stockpiling the original Black Seas Barracuda, or Fort Legoredo back then - they were affected). There have been examples of a rehash trend by LEGO for years. It started out small, and seemed meaningless to most, but it wasn't.

I think refreshes hit the collectibles market where it hurts, but there is more than one way to sell retired Lego. I'll never forget how much my son begged and pleaded to spend his hard earned/saved/pirated money on a Cargo Plane (7734). The set had recently retired, and he had to pony up a small premium. I'm sure the eBay based reseller nabbed it from clearance somewhere and made a tidy profit. But the math was simple: 7 years ago, the Cargo Plane was all he wanted and he would have aged out of that moment before a refresh came along (60022). Kids and parents want this stuff, too. There's a lot of money on the table for those who time the market well and don't hold indefinitely. I've said it before and it will always be true: no one is paying dividends on your Lego collection. The only way these investments generate money is in selling them. I've drifted away from the big exclusives and closer to the shorter term holds for decent returns, rinse and repeat, because the market has changed. Buying this DS turned out to be the SW Police Station. There's plenty of unique, less often rehashed sets with less risk and greater upside.