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There have been a lot of changes since LEGO almost went bankrupt in the early 2000s: licensed sets became the norm, better designs started coming into production andLEGO became the world’s largest toy manufacturer. All this changes and subsequent success created a new breed of investing: buying sets and holding after their retirement date. For years, this alternative market went unnoticed, propping up the prices of popular sets such as the 10179 Millenium Falcon. As expected, however, higher returns attracted new investors, inherently changing the way the secondary market behaved. In this new era, with many more participants and higher price pressure, it is extremely easy for newer investors to get burnt out, make mistakes or even completely forget about their LEGO investing hobby (or business). For this reason, I decided to write this short article with some investment tips and strategies that can help the newer participants enjoy and make money from their favorite toy brand. Golden Rule: Set your long term goals LEGO investing is a lot like more traditional financial planning. If you don’t take the time to set some objectives, there will be no way to completely gauge success or even to properly develop an investment strategy. For that reason, the first step will be to figure out what exactly you are trying to achieve: Do you see LEGO investing as a key part of your investment portfolio or more as a side business/hobby for extra cash? To me, this is the most important question. Someone willing to seriously put some money into LEGO for the long term will need to consider a vastly larger number of factors than someone who is just willing to put in a small percentage of their funds. Insurance, proper storage and fund allocation take a more important role in the case of the former. In the case you see this more as an online business, a good inventory tracking system, shipping supplies and time will be the main considerations. Once you have determined you long-term strategy, it is important to figure out which types of sets you will be investing in. To me, focusing on large LEGO exclusives is the “safer” way to lock in a pretty decent return in the long term. While the capital investment and storage space required to invest in these sets is significantly higher/larger than the average, most of them have also produced some of the most consistent and positive returns in the investment market. It is easy to see why. We are talking about iconicand highly detailed sets, from both licensed and unlicensed themes, that the adult collector with a higher disposable income is very attracted to. That’s definitely the most attractive target market when investing in LEGO sets. Furthermore, the higher price point and space requirements limit the amount of sets that can be hoarded by the average investor, thus reducing supply in the long term. While some people may be able to spend several thousand dollars and dedicate a whole room to store those dozens of Death Stars, most people struggle with at least one of those two key considerations. This is not to say investing in smaller sets or even figures makes no sense. We all know that sometimes sets like the X-Wing 9493 produce outstanding percentage returns for one reason or another, so it is completely understandable for investor to consider these for investment. Also, non-exclusives get the advantage when it comes to acquiring them at significant discounts given LEGO’s policy of not allowing discounts on exclusives. The problem with these sets, in my opinion, is that it is so much harder to pick winners and avoid purchasing the duds. Does Home One ring a bell? Setting up an strategy After deciding which blend of sets you will be pursuing, it is time to set up a buying strategy. I think it is extremely helpful to figure out how many copies of a particular set you would like to have before retirement, and making periodic purchases to make sure you meet that goal. As an example, you could decide that you will purchase one Palace Cinema each month to make sure you get to your desired goal of 10 before retirement. Making sure you stick to your strategy will make it easier for you to achieve your minimum goal and avoid having to scramble to get multiple quantities when the set starts disappearing from the market. How many times have you read someone mentioning that they would like to have a couple more of a particular set when it is already too late? Don’t make that mistake yourself! If by the time a set starts showing signs of retirement you already have your minimum quantity, then whatever you are able to acquire after that will be just an extra source of happiness instead of stress. Of course, your strategy can be flexible enough to make sure that you are taking advantage of potential deals or discounts. For example, LEGO will be offering double VIP points in early October and it might make sense to hold this month’s purchases until then. Having said that, I recommend making this kind of behavior an exception rather than the norm; It just does not make sense to completely miss out of a set that ends up appreciating more than 50% because you waited a couple weeks to save 10%. Core-Satellite Approach Just like in the stock market, you can insert a little variety into your investing life by following the core-satellite approach. For example, let’s assume you have an investing budget of $1000 per month. You could divide this into a core fund of $800 that you will allocate to long term, safer investments (exclusives, Ideas sets or whatever you really want to add to your portfolio and keep for the long haul), while keeping the remaining $200 for riskier bets. You think Raptor Escape will be a Zombies 2.0? You can throw your money into some of those; want to try and flip some Wall-E sets before they are available? That works too! By dividing your investments in this manner you pretty much guarantee you’ll invest the $800 every month, while still having some money to test your set-picking prowess. This leads nicely into my last point. Personally, I believe that investing in LEGO should be not only profitable, but fun as well. It is easy to get inpatient or even bored when all you are doing is hoarding sets and not making any money out of it. While this is an essential part of any investment, I find that people should always try to keep things interesting and fun by trying to flip sets, sell minifigures or even re-selling used sets. Any of these activities will generate some extra income and make you feel a little more excited, therefore avoiding falling into a routine that can get boring over time. Obviously, these tips will not work for everyone. Find what works for you, think about your goals and stick to an strategy and you will be in the path of having a pretty healthy alternative income stream in the long run. Hope you enjoyed this article, thanks for reading!8 points
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My used Ewok Village sans minifigs arrived last week. Sorted the pieces over the course of the week then built up the village on Friday night. It lasted less than 24 hours where I dismantled it and put the purchase to it's real purpose. Saw this in the MOCs thread a couple months back and fell in love with it, had to have one. I present my personal edition of the 10236 UCS Lord of the Rings Ent!8 points
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Customer Service Agent: No problem sir, we can return these 8 MMs for you. Is there anything wrong with them? Customer: Well, nothing wrong with the set itself but I couldn't flip it for a profit because you guys restocked your shelves too quickly. CSA: Oh, I see... Well our 90 return window is for customers and not resellers. Let me call my manager over to see if that's OK. Customer: Oh wait, sorry, that was the "MM - Mystery Mansion" set that I couldn't flip... These are the "MM - Mystery Machines" and I decided not to give them to the kids that came to my child's birthday party a couple weeks ago. Sorry, I just can't keep all these abbreviations straight in my head... CSA: Well that makes perfect sense, let me start that return. Customer: Thanks, I appreciate it. CSA: You might want to check out Brickpicker.com .. they have tons of set abbreviations. You should learn them since that will help clear up misunderstandings the next time you need to return a cart full of merchandise.4 points
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Yellow series 6 mixels (the extra set per case) $55 shipped3 points
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https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/kids/toys/lego-minifigures-monsters-series-14/673419231534-item.html?ikwid=series+14+lego&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=03 points
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on the other hand, the stickers allow you the flexibility of putting other companies' logos on the containers. There are quite a few online sellers capitalising on this market.3 points
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I found monster minifigures at Walmart on clearance for $1.00 apiece. 51 all together. First one I opened was Tiger Lady !2 points
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Does it matter ? Tatooine had 2 suns, when 1 set and the other rose. It was always sunny there no matter what2 points
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I do like R2 for R2, but I'm not sure TFA is going to have that much impact on his immediate outlook. We can speculate, yes, but I'm not sure TFA is going to make it jump 25% - 50% over current market value in 2015 - 2016. That's just my feeling, pure opinion, of course.2 points
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non-existent. however years ago when i used to drive into the city for work it was at $47 an hour at the rock (worked for AP back then). easily wiping out the "savings". Also, spiderman might steal your stuff if you dont tip his sorry a552 points
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Not sure if BP still has a minifig wanted/needed thread. On a positive note you did get extras of some Rares like the Witch but I know that doesn't mean much when you need a complete set of 16. Not at home now but I should be able to cover you on the ones you need.2 points
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Alpine, Based on my experience, you maybe able to do it...however, the issue is the online process to order in the store. When the store creates the order (from their computer system), they are unable to scan the barcoded coupons and apply the TRUTH. So what they have to do is... calculate the percentage off by hand/calculator, then generate a promo code in their system that takes off that exact dollar amount on the order, and then apply it to the order. You then have to print out the order and pay in store at the front register. This all takes time and work and takes away from other customers. However, the biggest issue is that the order can be a "red flag"...as corporate TRU questions the reason for the promo code that was generated by an employee. There is no track record of a coupon being used, since there is no physical barcoded coupon that was scanned. (Their computer system does not allow this). This makes corporate TRU think that something is shady or that an employee is hooking up a friend with a deal, etc. This can cause issues for the store, the managers and the employees. I believe most try to avoid the headache, and understandably so. Just my experience...2 points
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Over the weekend I sold two Creative Towers (10664) for $95.99 including shipping.2 points
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It's 4 floors and has a ferris wheel in it. The good stuff is on floor 2. It's rumored to be closing at the end of 2015 because of a 10x increase in the cost of leasing the space. From the outside it's one of the most unattractive store fronts in Times Square. You're nuts if you drive down there... and sadly, there is no TRU parking lot for flipping your hot cakes!2 points
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It´s a given - all SW sets without Disney boxes were retiring this year, weren´t they?2 points
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Received my 4 RE's today, all 22r5 as expected. However they were shipped in a WM box. Either i was wrong and it's 3 a case, or they took them out of the case into their own box. I was sure they were 4 to a case, but oh well no big deal as they are all in good shape. Canada post decided to pull this on me: All that's missing is a picture of the SAW clowns (Jigsaw?) face saying "i want to play a game..." Needless to say this was a pain in the ass to wiggle out haha.2 points
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I believe TLG only wants one thing: sustained profitability. Period. Full stop. No company of its kind wants anything else. So the question the Lego company is constantly facing is: how do we (1) keep demand for our products up and (2) sell them for as much as we can? 1) They want people to be scrambling to acquire the sets they produce; they want people thinking "I'd better buy this right now because who knows when it will be retired and gone forever!" That is a very good mentality for Lego's customers to have. Lego's customers will take a much different approach to buying if they know they can get this same set in a few years for the same price. 2) And let's talk about price: Lego is VERY expensive! Almost outrageously expensive. Seriously. $200 for a spaceship made out of little bricks with a Star Wars logo on it? That's not cheap. But a huge reason why people are willing to spend $150, $200 or even $400 for a box of plastic bricks is because consumers believe in their value. Consumers believe these sets will always be worth what they paid for them, and will maybe even appreciate. Consumers trust in Lego because they are well made, last forever, and retain value. So the $200 price tag is softened quite a bit when you know it will always be worth this amount, even after you open and play with it. Compare this to my other hobby: my wine cellar. I often compare the two in my mind, and I think the comparison is worth pointing out here. Wine is consumable. The moment I pop the cork on a $400 bottle of Bond or Schrader or whatever, that "asset" just became worth nothing except the pleasure I'm about to experience as I drink it. Tomorrow morning I'm going to pee it all out and recycle the empty bottle. And my $400 Death Star? I can open it up and build it with my son. And then display it for a year while he plays with it. Then tear it apart and build a new scene with some of the pieces and minifigures and toss the bulk in a storage bin. Then we can find all the pieces again and build it all over in five years. And then get tired of it and put it all back in the original box with the instructions and sell it used and complete on eBay for $700. It sure makes it a lot easier for me to spend $400 on a Lego set than a bottle of cabernet once I go through all of this in my head... To sum up, I think TLG wants to retire sets, loves seeing prices skyrocket in the secondary market, and will not do anything that is going to screw up its own sustainable profitability. What TLG has done over the past 10 years has seen the company rise from the ashes to become this massive leviathan of money-making. If they started re-releasing numerous old sets or making their products available forever (i.e. stopped retiring them after 2-4 years) then the consumers' mindsets would really change. And profits would go down. And that isn't going to happen.2 points
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Shipping tip... shipping this 3 lb brick cross-country almost cost me over $13. Then I found it fits nicely in a Medium Flat Rate box, and ships coast to coast for $11 and change. This is the first time I've ever found use for a flat rate box.1 point
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Technically, Dr. Who was under reviews along side BBT set in 2014. Wall-E was announced in 2015. My guess is they are saving #11 for Dr. Who set.1 point
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Yep at least I called it... Anyway, Dr. Who is due soon... https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/1-blog/post/261 point
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I've seen them in quantity at every Fred Meyer I've stopped at. Maybe try there?1 point
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For sure it does seem way off, but I can imagine so many different reasons... Between being hung over, or having a co-worker drop a stack of bags into your working pile, or some jerk who just doesn't care. Is it just me or is that only 58 polybags? Doesn't seem to add up to 60 and I tried a couple times. The zombie frankenstein rocker is 5 to a case which is what made me add it up.1 point
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If you have a target selling price (say, 3x buy-in) then sometimes that can be achieved right at the beginning (RI), after some years (Dino) or maybe never all (Prince of Persia) - there don´t seem to be fixed rules. Recently we have seen that some popular sets have dipped/stagnated in resale value. Wary of a remake and happy with the price, I sold my 7965´s but held on to 10224´s even though it had reached my target get-out price because my expectation was that there was more growth to come there. Maybe it would have been smarter to do the other way around, or have sold everything to be coherent with the 3x strategy or have kept everything for 3 more years and enjoyed the ride. Sticking to the get-out price whilst jettisoning sets that don´t show good growth prospects is probably the safest and least stressful option, even if it means you will sometimes sell sooner than is optimum - the problem is we get greedy and want more from certain sets than is perhaps reasonable.1 point
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just buy your extras now while everyone is undercutting each other1 point
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Local hoarders have it made, real local. I've never been to NYC. Someday...1 point
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think for a lot its always been sales / business. Never really understood the flippers vs long term used on here. Its just buying and selling. Some do hold and sell way down the road which would be more investing. Then some just collect and never sell at all.1 point
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Yeah, that was a nice prize for regular season win, and much deserved, as it's damn hard to do. I just got $25 last year.1 point
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Modulars are one of the safest investments IMO...long term. STAR WARS sets, especially of the UCS variety, could be highly volatile. If a set is not reissued, it will be fun to watch them skyrocket. On the other hand, with all of these new "retro" Disney STAR WARS versions being made on an annual basis, there could be multiple UCS sets reissued or improved upon. The Modular theme is designed for collectors and the chances for a remake are low. There will always be a LEGO fan who wants one. On the topic of retiring sets, historically, the November to December time frame has the highest rate of retirements, so I am looking forward to seeing a few of the long in the tooth sets go poof for good. If they don't, then the old LEGO business model will have changed and people will have to modify their investment strategies.1 point
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built the Temple of Airjitzu with my sons this weekend. Two word: frickin' beautiful! It was really a lot of fun - but now I don't want them to touch it1 point
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Sopwith Camel 10226 I've been putting off this post for a week as I tried to digest this build. It's not that I didn't like it, I just wanted to like it more. Don't get me wrong, I love the subject, there were some neat elements, the thing is impressive on display, and both I and my niece had fun with the build...I just wanted to like it MORE. I picked this one up for around $60 and for that price, I'm glad for the experience...also glad I didn't open one of my sealed ones. For the right person this is an amazing model and well worth the cost though due to its size, it takes a commitment to display. Oh well, spent the last 30 minutes breaking it down to move on down the road. Hopefully the next person who gets it likes it a little more than me.1 point
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I finally found a little bit of time this afternoon to expand Tony Stark's mansion for my son. He's happy now, but still wants more displays for his suits. It's still a work in progress, since I need some more large white slopes to fill out the front. I built it up a little bit to give it more of a mountain-side feel. It's real solid now with the heavier base.1 point
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My Wife: "Ok it's Friday night. How much did you spend on Legos this week?" Me: "Well, technically, I think it's 'Lego'. I don't think you pluralize it." My Wife: "Really? Like how the plural form of 'moose' is also 'moose' and not 'mooses' or 'meese' or something?" Me: "Yeah, I think so." My Wife: "Okay, well how much did you spend on Lego this week?" Me: "I'd prefer to think about it in terms of how much I SAVED on Lego this week." My Wife: .... (eyes narrowing) .... "I'm going to Lululemon. I'll be back in an hour." Me: "Yeah that's probably fair." My Wife: "And you're watching Miss America with me on Sunday night. But we can play a drinking game. You have to take a shot every time a girl says the word 'blessed' or 'opportunity' or 'surreal'." Me: "Actually, I'm totally in for that." My Wife: "But seriously, how much did you spend on LEGO this week?" Me: "On second thought, you might be right. It might be 'Legos.'"1 point
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But if the movie is a big success, on the 17th we europeans will clean out your ebay and amazon shops of star wars sets. Even before you have the chance to do your price increases.1 point
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I was going to ask or beg for this, but I thought it was cruel and unusual...1 point
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Thanks for mentioning that, I forgot. Which is bad because I just complete my Winter Village set. To expand on that, I'm also including any of the extra winter scene add ons they've been doing too.1 point