Complaint Thread

[cladner]

20 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Assuming your entire household is fully vaccinated, wouldn't you want to get the delta variant?  You only get mild sickness due to vaccine and your body develops immunity to delta variant.  You still need to be quarantined but you won't rely on the big pharma to come up with booster shots.

not when word gets out about  thrombus formation in penile microvasculature  resulting in medication-refractory ED.  eeek - i don't need that kind of mild sickness. . i'll take a vaccine thanks.

 

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/yes-covid-19-can-cause-erectile-dysfunction/

Edited July 20, 2021 by cladner

[oneknightr]

3 minutes ago, redghostx said:

Right now? No.

First, I have a two year old, so I can't get my family fully vaccinated.
Second, I prefer to not get any Covid variants until there is more data on long term effects.

I'm prepared for a booster shot (I'm double Pfizer) and it's not the end of the world. It's not much different than a flu shot and if that's what it takes for the government to control me, then I've already lived a good life playing with LEGO, so it's cool. 🙂

Yay LEGO!
 

Same here. The long term effects of having COVID (and not dying) are not yet known, so I wouldn't want to get it or the variant. Just reading stories of people losing their sense of smell for months is reason enough for me. I love to eat, so that would be awful. 

My family (me, wife, and two kids) will be getting any boosters that we are eligible for. It's our choice. 

[bigboy61]

17 minutes ago, oneknightr said:

Same here. The long term effects of having COVID (and not dying) are not yet known, so I wouldn't want to get it or the variant. Just reading stories of people losing their sense of smell for months is reason enough for me. I love to eat, so that would be awful. 

My family (me, wife, and two kids) will be getting any boosters that we are eligible for. It's our choice. 

I got COVID last year. As we all know, it really varies by person. For me, it was a bad cold. I had a fever for almost a day. It started getting better after that (aside from two days later when I was really tired). I did lose my sense of taste and smell for a few weeks. I think it never fully returned to what it was before, but I also got sick at the beginning of last year that also made my sense of taste and smell go away (maybe COVID as well?) so I think both of those (at least in the near term) may have permanently altered it.

Edited July 20, 2021 by bigboy61

[Darth_Raichu]

17 minutes ago, cladner said:

not when word gets out about  thrombus formation in penile microvasculature  resulting in medication-refractory ED.  eeek - i don't need that kind of mild sickness. . i'll take a vaccine thanks.

 

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/yes-covid-19-can-cause-erectile-dysfunction/

 

19 minutes ago, oneknightr said:

Same here. The long term effects of having COVID (and not dying) are not yet known, so I wouldn't want to get it or the variant. Just reading stories of people losing their sense of smell for months is reason enough for me. I love to eat, so that would be awful. 

My family (me, wife, and two kids) will be getting any boosters that we are eligible for. It's our choice. 

You can still get covid even after fully vaccinated, ie. test positive for the virus.  Just the chance of hospitalization is lower

[oneknightr]

8 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

You can still get covid even after fully vaccinated, ie. test positive for the virus.  Just the chance of hospitalization is lower

I definitely understand that. Even though we're vaccinated and hospitalization due to getting COVID is lower, we're still not taking many chances. We continue to wear masks indoors and don't do indoor dining. The only thing we've changed since getting vaccinated is not wearing masks outdoors, unless we're in line somewhere and standing close to other people, and finally visiting people who are also vaccinated. 

[BricksBrotha]

1 hour ago, Darth_Raichu said:

 wouldn't you want to get the delta variant?

Absolutely not. As other mention so many potential long term and unknown effects. 

Also not talked about enough is after you get COVID once, (any variant) if you ever get it a 2nd time survival rate goes way down.  

[exracer327]

On a lighter note.  USA Olympic Basketball fans...  I think we have a problem.  If you've got 12 min, it's worth the watch.

 

[KvHulk]

16 hours ago, TANV said:

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

Hold my beer, says the lambda variant...

 

[exciter1]

I know at least 2 people who have lost scholarships or switched schools because of the vaccination requirements this year.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/list-of-colleges-that-require-covid-19-vaccine/

[dennugsmello]

18 hours ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

 

And for the poster (who was supposed "informed" about such things) who earlier stated that variants are almost always less potent when I was expressing concern about them

I'm assuming you are talking about me and our numerous debates on the topic. If so, you are mis-characterizing my points. If were not referencing me, then you have my apologies. 

I never stated directly that the variants are almost always less potent. Potency is a horribly deficient descriptor, much too broad to be of any use in this context. 

I stated that historically, most virus mutations trend in the direction of more contagious and less deadly. As natural and synthetic immunities increase the virus usually mutates into a more contagious version with milder symptoms. In order to survive it must spread. If it kills the host or expresses severe symptoms too early the chances of it going extinct are much greater. 

That was my argument. An argument I still stand by. 

Now, if indeed vaccinated people are catching and passing the virus from one another without knowing it, what mutations may arise are anybody's guess. 

 

 

 

[Mathew]

15 hours ago, BricksBrotha said:

Also not talked about enough is after you get COVID once, (any variant) if you ever get it a 2nd time survival rate goes way down.  

🤔Do you have anything to back this up?

[Mathew]

I haven’t seen a single FDA regulated mask sold in stores. Furthermore this article should give us all pause for thought on the effectiveness of masks and potential harm they can cause:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452199X20301481

On the other hand, modeling and clarifying the mechanism of bio-aerosols penetration into the mask has high importance [2,14]. This becomes important when contaminated particles and microorganisms reach the outer surface of the mask. If the surface does not destroy the virus or microorganisms that have fallen on it, the contaminated particles can penetrate the mask by various mechanisms such as capillaries [15].

Furthermore, a mask often becomes a virus collector during repeated breathing activities, particularly when its outer surface is exposed to contaminated droplets [8,16]. Given that viruses and bacteria will stay on the surface and in the masks during wear for a considerably long period of time, it is obviously dangerous and undesirable if they can live safely and remain active in the warm and humid microenvironment in the masks. Due to the conditions of the mask and the high humidity and temperature created during the respiration cycle, it will lead to the formation of steam in the mask, and this process will accelerate the mechanism of penetration and faster spread of microorganisms to the inner parts of the mask. Simulations and numerical studies have considered this phenomenon as a physical process in heat transfer and mass transfer in porous materials [13].

Edited July 21, 2021 by Mathew

[Mathew]

Furthermore straight from the FDA itself.  Emphasis on “may”

Using Face Masks, Surgical Masks, and Respirators

Q: Do face masks provide protection from coronavirus?

A: Masks may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others. The CDC has guidance for wearing masks. Wearing a face mask may limit exposure to respiratory droplets and large particles and may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus.

[$20 on joe vs dan]

1 hour ago, dennugsmello said:

I'm assuming you are talking about me and our numerous debates on the topic. If so, you are mis-characterizing my points. If were not referencing me, then you have my apologies. 

I never stated directly that the variants are almost always less potent. Potency is a horribly deficient descriptor, much too broad to be of any use in this context. 

I stated that historically, most virus mutations trend in the direction of more contagious and less deadly. As natural and synthetic immunities increase the virus usually mutates into a more contagious version with milder symptoms. In order to survive it must spread. If it kills the host or expresses severe symptoms too early the chances of it going extinct are much greater. 

That was my argument. An argument I still stand by. 

Now, if indeed vaccinated people are catching and passing the virus from one another without knowing it, what mutations may arise are anybody's guess. 

 

 

 

Not sure if it was you or not; I focus on content and not the poster (usually). My issue w/ the post was the general dismissing tone of future mutations being more of a threat...the world has never seen anything like CV in terms of scale...so my point (which I also still stand behind) is that historical trends do not apply.  Delta is a clear example of this. 

I agree terms like "potent" is ambiguous; but the take home message is that "it's worse than prior versions", which in the case of the Delta variant is 100% true. 

Digging deeper, what makes Delta more contagious?  It replicates faster than prior versions...a lot faster...that means a host is able to shed virus faster and the amount of virus is a greater quantity (so more able to attack a new host immune system).  There's a lot more to it, but that's the gist in terms of being more contagious.  

[$20 on joe vs dan]

28 minutes ago, Mathew said:

I haven’t seen a single FDA regulated mask sold in stores. Furthermore this article should give us all pause for thought on the effectiveness of masks and potential harm they can cause:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452199X20301481

On the other hand, modeling and clarifying the mechanism of bio-aerosols penetration into the mask has high importance [2,14]. This becomes important when contaminated particles and microorganisms reach the outer surface of the mask. If the surface does not destroy the virus or microorganisms that have fallen on it, the contaminated particles can penetrate the mask by various mechanisms such as capillaries [15].

Furthermore, a mask often becomes a virus collector during repeated breathing activities, particularly when its outer surface is exposed to contaminated droplets [8,16]. Given that viruses and bacteria will stay on the surface and in the masks during wear for a considerably long period of time, it is obviously dangerous and undesirable if they can live safely and remain active in the warm and humid microenvironment in the masks. Due to the conditions of the mask and the high humidity and temperature created during the respiration cycle, it will lead to the formation of steam in the mask, and this process will accelerate the mechanism of penetration and faster spread of microorganisms to the inner parts of the mask. Simulations and numerical studies have considered this phenomenon as a physical process in heat transfer and mass transfer in porous materials [13].

If the point is that more study is needed on masking, yes I agree....but if the point is to argue against wearing masks at all (then keep reading):

anyone should be able to make the rational assessment that a piece a cloth is far from ideal in protecting one from a respirable contagion.

also anyone who needs to be told to wash or replace their cloth mask (or any other article of clothing)...failed kindergarten many times so nothing can help them other than the shear luck they survived this long  

sure the above is "scientific" but it's nonsensical in that it's using scientific phrasing trying to grasp at straws to justify an EMOTIONAL/POLITICAL position. 

Wearing any mask is still better than nothing for the majority of regular environments and scenarios. N95 (w/ regular replacement) is best and it goes down from there.

[brickvoyeur]

We were always headed back here. I made this just for the occasion. 

 

[Darth_Raichu]

13 minutes ago, dennugsmello said:

Now, if indeed vaccinated people are catching and passing the virus from one another without knowing it, what mutations may arise are anybody's guess. 

A group of vaccinated politicians took a private plane (while not wearing masks) to Washington DC last week.  Apparently some of them tested positive for Covid and already infected a few staffers at the Capitol Hills (also fully vaccinated).  

That is the variant that everyone should be more concerned about.  It seems to be able to resist vaccine, hot air, and fair amount of BS.

[Mathew]

1 minute ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

If the point is that more study is needed on masking, yes I agree....but if the point is to argue against wearing masks at all (then keep reading):

anyone should be able to make the rational assessment that a piece a cloth is far from ideal in protecting one from a respirable contagion.

 

🥴If they are far from ideal and can be potentially harmful if not properly changed (like a diaper) then where is the scientific proof of their effectiveness ?  Joe Dan I believe you rely too heavily on what the nightly news is telling you. Masking has always been more about compliance than public safety. 

[BricksBrotha]

2 minutes ago, Mathew said:

 Masking has always been more about compliance than public safety. 

[Mathew]

34 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

Yet you failed to follow up with my original question for you. 

[BricksBrotha]

18 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Yet you failed to follow up with my original question for you. 

Im not here for you pal

[Alpinemaps]

Maybe this will distract us….

I’d like to complain about my a**hole of a boss. He just became my boss in January.

The good news is I start a new job in less than two weeks.

The complaint is the living hell he is making my life right now. My anxiety hasn’t been this high in years.

I know the light is at the end of the tunnel, but if there is a petty little thing he can do to make my life hell, he’s doing it.

[Mathew]

 

14 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

Im not here for you pal

So your goal was to spread misinformation with this statement:

17 hours ago, BricksBrotha said:

Also not talked about enough is after you get COVID once, (any variant) if you ever get it a 2nd time survival rate goes way down.  

 

[KvHulk]

Just yes him.

Edited July 21, 2021 by KvHulk

[Jackson]

54 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

Maybe this will distract us….

I’d like to complain about my a**hole of a boss. He just became my boss in January.

The good news is I start a new job in less than two weeks.

The complaint is the living hell he is making my life right now. My anxiety hasn’t been this high in years.

I know the light is at the end of the tunnel, but if there is a petty little thing he can do to make my life hell, he’s doing it.

This sounds juicy. Care to elaborate?