Complaint Thread

[Alpinemaps]

47 minutes ago, stackables said:

Uh...just unsubscribe to the thread.

That reminds me of a complaint...Tapatalk subscribes me to every thread.  Highly annoying (not directed to the Macks, btw).  I have to remember to keep my subscribed threads clean, so I can just look at the content specific to me (as opposed to being a mod).

[BricksBrotha]

16 hours ago, elmaslıefendi said:

he is a man outside of the criminal establishment

Who, this guy?!?!   

 

You mean the guy that has his mouth air tight around the 0.00001% arse?!? Unless your net worth is 100m+, you are simply a pawn to the DJT train.  Sure he was able to tap into American Sentiment for wanting change, the need for a non career politician, talked brash to distance himself long time DC politicians. What was this his 4th attempt at becoming president? If we are all being honest with ourselves, DTJ came at a very opportunistic time when A lot of people were still upset about the first African descendent president and then to follow that up by the first female president?   Very unlikely, especially given the terrible candidate the dems put forth (also by screwing Sanders) I even consider myself one of those Americans fed up with the two party system.  But how DTJ has treated 99% of Americans is nothing short of criminal. He knows this, why would he be scrambling like hell to pardon himself and family?????  

Sure we need change, but for all this talk of being pawns, you have clearly allowed trump to add you to his chess board. Personally, I think the quote you had from George Washington is closer than ever to fruition.  

[elmaslıefendi]

Let me set this straight: Trump is still a zionist pawn, Netanjahu's 2016 christmas present, maybe should have mentioned it, but that was not my point. I simply favor nationalism over globalism, that's all. I think it should be every country's right to protect their culture, language & people. That's exactly what Trump had respect for. His foreign policy was solid & he's just the lesser evil of the bunch. I don't agree with the Obama/Hillary points you made, it's not because of their gender or ethnicity, they were simply terrible politicians. Don't even talk to me about Sanders. Anyway, that was 2016.

2020: If I was American & had to choose between a narcissistic patriotic capitalist & a half-dead, war-loving, media-controlling socialist kissing China's a** & suffering from dementia, I'd choose option 1 every time. Don't see many alternatives. You can't have the perfect president. I mean, technically you can, but some deep state agent will put a bullet in his head really quick as we saw with JFK.

Biden will not work for the American people, if you believe that, you're a fool. China is taking over & he can't wait to speed up the process. The US will lose more of it's former international power & on top of that you guys have to pay even more taxes. Good luck America.

[KvHulk]

16 hours ago, Alpinemaps said:

If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was Biden that was being silenced by big tech, would you still feel the same way?  I would.  I view this as being a societal issue, and not the issue with the name or personality.

 

Yes. Of course. Act like a hate spewing ass and you get treated like one. I don't care who you are.

 

New complaint: I wish NHL played hockey like they did in the 70's. This **** is boring.

Edited January 15, 2021 by KvHulk

[Alpinemaps]

Yes. Of course. Act like a hate spewing ass and you get treated like one. I don't care who you are.
 
New complaint: I wish NHL played hockey like they did in the 70's. This **** is boring.

My 8 year old (whose been playing hockey for half his life) loves to throw on old hockey games in Youtube. He’s fascinated by the no pads, no helmets, etc of days gone by.

[exracer327]

*sigh*  One thing I am tired of is people assuming I'm a Trump supporter because I'm raising a red flag about "cancel culture".  I have also been accused of being a Trump hater because I tell people he is a clinical narcissist, which he is. 

Trump acts like an impetuous child when he doesn't get his way.  His language is unbecoming of the office and quite frankly unbecoming of a decent human being.  How did he get elected?  Because as some have said, it was the right time, right place.  Or to quote Monty Python's Flying Circus, "And now for something completely different".   

Having worked for a narcissist doesn't make me an expert by any means, but here is what I have witnessed: great at getting new things accomplished, a tour de force that can rarely be stopped from accomplishing what they want, and they will also ignore advisors and do what they are convinced is right.  Those are probably the most positive things that can be said.  Now here is the rest...

Narcissists must draw people into what I like to call the "whirlwind of their life."  Their "job" is to keep everyone else off-balance so that they can maintain control of them and their situation.  (This is why world leaders hate Trump, they can't get a read on him.)  Here is the important point - a narcissist has an insatiable need to be emotionally fed.  As much as Trump calls Nancy Pelosi "crazy," more than likely he has driven her crazy.  With Biden as president it may take a while, but she should go back to normal.  It is clear that she has been very stressed.  At the same time, unless others have figured out how to play the "narcissist game," Trump has most likely exhausted them as well. 

If a narcissist is leading a team, they will burn out employees at a high rate because being near a narcissist is exhausting.  BTW, most politicians and political commentators as well as many of the world's leading business people have narcissistic tendencies.  I suspect Trump has it worse than most, but that is only a suspicion.  The only thing a narcissist hates more than those who oppose them is another narcissist, because narcissist #2 will never emotionally feed narcissist #1 the way they need to be fed and vice versa.  I have witnessed this first-hand.  Try having two narcissists who both think they need to control you.  Both hated one another, refused to speak to one another, and both tried to play me off the other.  *shiver*  I finally escaped the situation and have zero desire to ever experience that again.

Here are a couple of important items I have witnessed in relationship to people "outside the organization": 1) if a narcissist sees value in someone, they will praise them to everyone.  They will seek their input and make sure they have their support and loyalty.  It does not matter if the person is a man or woman, black or white, *** or straight - a narcissist will treat anyone they believe will support them more valuable than gold.  2) However, if a narcissist does not see value in someone (especially if they have not supported what the narcissist wants) then they will attack, belittle, and demean the person.  It does not matter if the person is a man or woman, black or white, *** or straight - a narcissist will treat anyone they believe is beneath them, or that they consider a threat to their leadership, horribly.  It can be quite depressing, especially if unable to escape the relationship.  

One last thing, narcissists tend to have very low self-esteem and are a high "D" (for Dominance, from the DISC personality assessment) personality type; meaning they must be the top dog and in control.  Hence why people who have learned to get along with Trump praise him.  This emotionally feeds him and actually gets him to be a supporter of theirs.  Sadly, he needs this praise to feel good about himself.  So now Trump has lost the election.  How do you think he is doing emotionally when the majority of Americans have said "no" to him?  He is lashing out at the "weak Republicans" because they aren't fighting for him the way he thinks they should.  This is also why he made the Georgia run-off about him and not about the country.  His emotional hunger is super high after loosing the election.  In short, he is really hurting.  Everyone has been asking, "Why a rally in Washington DC when the congress was voting?"  I believe the answer is to feed his emotional hunger.  I don't believe he meant for people to rush into the capitol but he was not thinking about the people, he was feeding his own emotional need.  I also suspect this is why he is so slow to speak to the people - to feed our emotional need.  I believe this is a real struggle for him - to give emotionally.

The only way I was able to break out of the craziness that my narcissist boss created in our workplace was to ignore him for an entire month.  That gave me enough time to clear my head to be able to think straight and realize how he had manipulated me.  It was then that I realized that no matter how much good I was doing in my position, for my own health and that of my family, I needed to change jobs.  I was much younger and it was a learning experience.  Now, when I meet a narcissist I realize the trap sooner and it drives them insane that I refuse to play their game.  It requires a lot of grace and forgiveness.  Part of what they feed off of is people reacting to their negativity.  When a narcissist realizes I will not feed their need for attention, they ignore me.  This is why I believe the best way to "get rid of Trump" is to ignore him, not punish him.  If they punish him, he will dog them (everyone who hurts him) for the rest of his life.  They are literally creating monster with this impeachment stuff.  To this extent, Trump being removed from twitter, facebook, etc. could be argued as the right and perfect thing to do.  However, the larger implication for the rest of the world is very, very dangerous.

re: the George Washington quote - I have believed his quote was right from a young age and I believe it is coming more to fruition with each passing year.  I don't vote political party, I vote for the person I believe will accomplish what needs to happen.  This is just my opinion, but I believe political parties (all of them) are public versions of the mob and are out for their own good.  I also believe individuals within political parties are standing up for the best in our country, but their respective political parties will keep those individuals from truly doing what is right because the "party" says so.  Just watch which political party allows their members to "think for themselves."

[BricksBrotha]

Another tactic narcissists/DTJ has perfected is gas-lighting.  To see it be done on such a national scale, and to witness there are some people OK with this kind behavior is very troubling as an air breathing, water drinking homo sapien.    

[BricksBrotha]

1 hour ago, elmaslıefendi said:

I don't agree with the Obama/Hillary points you made, it's not because of their gender or ethnicity, they were simply terrible politicians. Don't even talk to me about Sanders. Anyway, that was 2016.

You don't have to agree with me for it to be true.  Sadly, I have had conversations with people and heard straight from their mouths they didnt vote for obama because of skin color or b/c he was a muslim and wouldn't have voted for Hillary simply because she double x chromosomes.  Also need to rememeber, there will always be a segment of the population that will claim race and sex dont matter, but ultimately let race and sex determine their vote.  Both US citizens and foreign alike. At 37 years old, I dont feel humanity will ever be rid of racism or sexism in my life time, but alas, that's my opinion.

 

[redghostx]

Complaint:

A very, very good friend of mine was walking from his car to his office and crossed a street. A person came up from behind, started yelling in his face (maskless) about how he was responsible for the coronavirus spreading, etc.

Now the person put his hands on my friend and my friend immediately took him down and pinned him, but how sad to have to deal with that crap.

That right there is an excellent example of what's wrong with the world.

[Ed Mack]

It was never about Trump in my opinion. He was a big middle finger to the Hollywood and media elites on the coasts and that is why people gravitated towards him.  Moving forward, as an American, I will support Joe Biden, just like I supported Trump and Obama and Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan and Carter.  I don't agree with everyone's policies and have gotten mad on multiple occasions with their decisions, but it seems to work out over time and things are cyclical.  We all really just need a break right now.  I am tired of all the BS rhetoric from both sides. Let's beat the virus first, then we can go back to beating each other up for political views.

[lazuli16]

Edited January 15, 2021 by lazuli16

[Ed Mack]

16 minutes ago, lazuli16 said:

The good ole' days...

[Mathew]

27 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

It was never about Trump in my opinion. He was a big middle finger to the Hollywood and media elites on the coasts and that is why people gravitated towards him.  

Here’s the thing:  Trump, prior to running for president was part of the elites.  He had a hit tv show. Hosted beauty pageants. Had cameos in Hollywood movies. Wined and dined with biggest names.  The Clintons were guests at his wedding.   One of that stature doesn’t throw it all away.  His presidency was a reality tv show.   Makes you wonder 🤔

[dennugsmello]

16 hours ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

the biggest thing that's wrong with the game monopoly: everyone starts off with the same cash and plays by the same rules.

The way it is:

Player 1: Banker can "borrow" any amount as needed....pay back is optional or after the "game ends"

PLayer 2: starts off in jail and goes back whenever she/she doesn't roll doubles

PLayer 3: Doesn't have to use the dice; can dictate what his/her next move will be

PLayer 4: can choose use whatever cards on the Community Chest and Chance as he/she sees fit

Remaining Players: plays by the "rules"

 

 

Okay here is a real complaint.

As an avid player of modern board games, who dislikes the game Monopoly, I must vent about the biggest missed rule in Monopoly. A rule that is rarely, if ever used. When this official rule is followed it makes the game go from trash too tolerable. 

When a player lands on a property which they do not want or cannot purchase that property immediately goes up for auction for all players. This simple, core rule speeds up the game considerably and improves the game greatly. When you get pushback as you inevitably will, please refer them to the official rules for confirmation. Minds will be blown. 

 

 

[Ed Mack]

25 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Here’s the thing:  Trump, prior to running for president was part of the elites.  He had a hit tv show. Hosted beauty pageants. Had cameos in Hollywood movies. Wined and dined with biggest names.  The Clintons were guests at his wedding.   One of that stature doesn’t throw it all away.  His presidency was a reality tv show.   Makes you wonder 🤔

At last it seemed that way, but many would also say he was never fully accepted into that crowd. His presidency was a reality show, as is his life.  A lot of smoke and mirrors. You have to give him credit, he is one of the best at promoting his name and brand.  But at the end of the day, he was his own undoing. For me, it's time to move on.  He had his 15 minutes and then some.

[Mark Twain]

1 hour ago, Ed Mack said:

At last it seemed that way, but many would also say he was never fully accepted into that crowd. His presidency was a reality show, as is his life.  A lot of smoke and mirrors. You have to give him credit, he is one of the best at promoting his name and brand.  But at the end of the day, he was his own undoing. For me, it's time to move on.  He had his 15 minutes and then some.

Agreed a thousand times over. Trump's chief complaint about having his personal account being deplatformed from twitter was that it damaged his ability to monetize  his brand. This was echoed in part of the complaint Parler noted in their emergency brief to get an injunction against AWS dropping them-- that they were afraid Trump would move on to a different platform. 

I think what is truly shocking about the past four years is how quickly technology has altered our interests and the way we interact with one another. It is easy to blame the people who run companies behind Big Tech but the reality is we've ceded control of our interests to algorithms that don't necessarily have agendas other than to make themselves more engaging and useful to our day-to-day lives. 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Mark Twain

[Mathew]

A few years ago I was playing poker and drinking with some friends. They are lawyers and teachers so politically liberal. A lot of ranting about Trump. I told them that I believed the end game of the Trump presidency was to create a one party system. Trump isn’t a conservative or Republican.  Like you say it’s about his brand.  But what if he was playing for the other team all along?  He threw people under the bus regardless of political affiliation.  His presidency was a sham in my opinion.  

[Alpinemaps]

Agreed a thousand times over. Trump's chief complaint about having his personal account being deplatformed from twitter was that it damaged his ability to monazite his brand. This was echoed in part of the complaint Parler noted in their emergency brief to get an injunction against AWS dropping them-- that they were afraid Trump would move on to a different platform. 
I think what is truly shocking about the past four years is how quickly technology has altered our interests and the way we interact with one another. It is easy to blame the people who run companies behind Big Tech but the reality is we've ceded control of our interests to algorithms that don't necessarily have agendas other than to make themselves more engaging and useful to our day-to-day lives. 

I agree, but (lol)...

I think tech has been changing our we communicate far longer and faster than just the last four years. But yes, these last four years have amplified it. I was telling my wife the other day how much more difficult it is for teens to communicate with one another. They’re much more willing to block each other (and subsequently unblock), because they just don’t get the full range of communication by texting.

I absolutely agree with the brand discussion tho. That’s why I have no problem with Trump being shut off when he’s a private citizen. And that’s my issue with the argument that “you and I would be shut off if we violate the TOS.” Yes, but we’re private citizens.

Did anyone else see the report about the Twitter president saying Trump was just the beginning of censorship on the platform?

[BricksBrotha]

29 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

Did anyone else see the report about the Twitter president saying Trump was just the beginning of censorship on the platform?

Have you ever been on twitter? If any platform needs censoring, its Twitter.  And if people dont like it, they are free to leave or even start another social platform that meets their standards.

Sure I agree censorship can be a slippery slope, and silencing a demo is damning, but since when did common censorship become a bad thing? As a new parent of a 7mo, I am already bracing for the amount of censorship I will be doing.  

[Ed Mack]

27 minutes ago, Mark Twain said:

Agreed a thousand times over. Trump's chief complaint about having his personal account being deplatformed from twitter was that it damaged his ability to monazite his brand. This was echoed in part of the complaint Parler noted in their emergency brief to get an injunction against AWS dropping them-- that they were afraid Trump would move on to a different platform. 

I think what is truly shocking about the past four years is how quickly technology has altered our interests and the way we interact with one another. It is easy to blame the people who run companies behind Big Tech but the reality is we've ceded control of our interests to algorithms that don't necessarily have agendas other than to make themselves more engaging and useful to our day-to-day lives. 

 

31 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

I agree, but (lol)...

I think tech has been changing our we communicate far longer and faster than just the last four years. But yes, these last four years have amplified it. I was telling my wife the other day how much more difficult it is for teens to communicate with one another. They’re much more willing to block each other (and subsequently unblock), because they just don’t get the full range of communication by texting.

I absolutely agree with the brand discussion tho. That’s why I have no problem with Trump being shut off when he’s a private citizen. And that’s my issue with the argument that “you and I would be shut off if we violate the TOS.” Yes, but we’re private citizens.

Did anyone else see the report about the Twitter president saying Trump was just the beginning of censorship on the platform?

Yes. That is where the problems will arise. When you try to silence 40-50% of the US population thru various forms of censorship, people are going to get upset.  It started this week on Twitter. I follow all sorts of people on Twitter to get a taste of all opinions.  This week many conservative voices were losing followers in large chunks. Twitter is a rigged system for sure.  If you enjoy that platform, tread carefully.

[Shortbus311]

You don't have to agree with me for it to be true.  Sadly, I have had conversations with people and heard straight from their mouths they didnt vote for obama because of skin color or b/c he was a muslim and wouldn't have voted for Hillary simply because she double x chromosomes.  Also need to rememeber, there will always be a segment of the population that will claim race and sex dont matter, but ultimately let race and sex determine their vote.  Both US citizens and foreign alike. At 37 years old, I dont feel humanity will ever be rid of racism or sexism in my life time, but alas, that's my opinion.
 

This is what really upsets me about a lot of Democrats (not all, just a lot that seem to have voices in media), the assumption that the only reason someone wouldn't vote for Obama is because they are racist or wouldn't vote for Hillary is because they are sexist.

I am neither of those and I didn't vote for either of those candidates because I don't agree with their politics. I am for smaller federal government and larger state/local government. I am pro-life. I believe that the welfare system encourages people to not work and have children out of wedlock. I disagree with being forced to pay into a government ran retirement system. I disagree with government mandated healthcare. I disagree with any law that favors one race/sex/nationality over another such as affirmative action.

Tell me, if you believe like I do, which candidates do you think most represents my beliefs? It has nothing to do with skin color or chromosomes. Honestly, I would love to see a republican person of color win the nomination.

Yes, there are definitely some racists and sexists in the US who probably didn't vote for Obama or Hillary for those reasons alone and that is a sad thing. But don't assume to lump all conservatives or even anything above a very small minority of conservatives in with those bigots.

[Mark Twain]

41 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

I agree, but (lol)...

I think tech has been changing our we communicate far longer and faster than just the last four years. But yes, these last four years have amplified it. I was telling my wife the other day how much more difficult it is for teens to communicate with one another. They’re much more willing to block each other (and subsequently unblock), because they just don’t get the full range of communication by texting.

I absolutely agree with the brand discussion tho. That’s why I have no problem with Trump being shut off when he’s a private citizen. And that’s my issue with the argument that “you and I would be shut off if we violate the TOS.” Yes, but we’re private citizens.

Did anyone else see the report about the Twitter president saying Trump was just the beginning of censorship on the platform?

It has certainly lasted for a long time. I think Neil Postman was one of the earliest people to point out our fascination with technology and acceptance without thinking about how it alters our interests. His terming of the trend was Technopoly in the early 1990s seems pretty spot on today. It is important to note though, that he doesn't consider this as a good or bad phenomenon; he looks at it as a cultural force. I don't quite buy the whole theory behind it, but I do agree with most of his argument, especially when he states: "New technologies alter the structure of our interests: the things we think about. They alter the character of our symbols: the things we think with. And they alter the nature of community: the arena in which thoughts develop."

[exracer327]

10 hours ago, BricksBrotha said:

Have you ever been on twitter? If any platform needs censoring, its Twitter.  And if people dont like it, they are free to leave or even start another social platform that meets their standards.

Sure I agree censorship can be a slippery slope, and silencing a demo is damning, but since when did common censorship become a bad thing? As a new parent of a 7mo, I am already bracing for the amount of censorship I will be doing.  

You know what's funny, they did start another platform - Parlor.  It was the #1 downloaded app last week and the tech giants combined to shut it down, remove it from everyone's phones (think about that for a moment), and de-platform it.  They now cannot find any providers who will even give them access to the internet.  If that isn't coordination, I'm not sure what is.

Parlor was accused of not policing hate speech, etc. (98 instances).  But as of yet, I cannot find any evidence of even one of those 98 instances.  Surely someone grabbed a screen shot and could show us an example. 

BTW, I found at least nine tags on twitter (just a few minutes ago) calling for trump to be killed (search for killtrump).  Apparently, calling for violence against trump is OK as far as Twitter is concerned.  Maybe twitter should be de-platformed since some of these tags have been up since last summer.

[Mark Twain]

You know what's funny, they did start another platform - Parlor.  It was the #1 downloaded app last week and the tech giants combined to shut it down, remove it from everyone's phones (think about that for a moment), and de-platform it.  They now cannot find any providers who will even give them access to the internet.  If that isn't coordination, I'm not sure what is.
Parlor was accused of not policing hate speech, etc. (98 instances).  But as of yet, I cannot find any evidence of even one of those 98 instances.  Surely someone grabbed a screen shot and could show us an example. 
BTW, I found at least nine tags on twitter (just a few minutes ago) calling for trump to be killed (search for killtrump).  Apparently, calling for violence against trump is OK as far as Twitter is concerned.  Maybe twitter should be de-platformed since some of these tags have been up since last summer.

Parler was deplatformed and banned because it did not police threats issued by users, which is entirely different than hate speech. Amazon’s response to Parler’s lawsuit cites many clear examples of calls to violence that they asked to be removed for months and Parler did nothing. You can read the cited examples in the direct court filing:

https://cdn.pacermonitor.com/pdfserver/LHNWTAI/137249864/Parler_LLC_v_Amazon_Web_Services_Inc__wawdce-21-00031__0010.0.pdf

As for the hash tags on Twitter.-are these people actually calling for violence or talking about the tag? I see people using tags to talk about and ask why they exist and use these as rhetorical devices to try and show hypocrisy about conservative voices being banned. These tags include #killtrump, #killpelosi, #killpence. I don’t see many people actively using those tags to actually call for violence.

[redcell]

7 hours ago, exracer327 said:

You know what's funny, they did start another platform - Parlor.  It was the #1 downloaded app last week and the tech giants combined to shut it down, remove it from everyone's phones (think about that for a moment), and de-platform it.  They now cannot find any providers who will even give them access to the internet.  If that isn't coordination, I'm not sure what is.

 

Just because conduct happens in parallel doesn't mean that it is coordinated.  If someone is acting like a complete a-hole, some number of people around them will likely act in the same or similar ways towards them (shun, disassociate, etc.) without requiring any coordination. 

The problem Parler had was not a coordinated effort to destroy them, but a common reaction once a bright light was shined on what the app was being used for and what was taking place on the app.  If someone created an app to distribute child pornography and marketed it under some other guise, how quickly do you think service providers would disassociate themselves from the app if its true purpose came to light in a very public way and do you think it would require coordination between them?