Complaint Thread

[Jackson]

Maybe some people are using voice to text and not bothering to proofread.

I see "isle" instead of "aisle" quite a bit. Hilarious.

[Darth_Raichu]

26 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

Also when did the term "Special needs" become offensive?  I didn't know the preferred term is "disabled". 

And here I thought the more inclusive term is "differently abled".

On a serious note, you may want to save a physical copy of whatever HR guide you signed.  You never know when HR decide to change the preferred pronoun from "they" to "your excellency" or preferred term from "women" to "womxn".  At least when you are singled out for offending someone, you have a physical proof of what the expected norm was as of the signed date.

[exracer327]

4 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

Also when did the term "Special needs" become offensive?  I didn't know the preferred term is "disabled". 

I work with parents and school-age children and I can assure you the preferred term is "special needs".

It is impossible to take the full spectrum of "special needs / disabled" into account in a simple post but "special needs" (needing a non-traditional method of learning / performing a task) is VERY different than "disabled" (limited or unable to learn / perform a task).  It makes sense why parents prefer one over the other.

Doesn't make any sense to me why those terms would suddenly get reversed.

[Bold-Arrow]

42 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

 

Also when did the term "Special needs" become offensive?  I didn't know the preferred term is "disabled". 

that is a new one for me, and I have 2 special needs kids and their doctors and teachers still use that term along with other terms like kids with disability. the big bad one is the R..... word 

[Darth_Raichu]

3 minutes ago, exracer327 said:

I work with parents and school-age children and I can assure you the preferred term is "special needs".

It is impossible to take the full spectrum of "special needs / disabled" into account in a simple post but "special needs" (needing a non-traditional method of learning / performing a task) is VERY different than "disabled" (limited or unable to learn / perform a task).  It makes sense why parents prefer one over the other.

Doesn't make any sense to me why those terms would suddenly get reversed.

This.  AFAIK, in schools, "special needs" is an umbrella term to identify kids who need non-traditional learning methods.  Perhaps some kids need a lot more attention due to ADD and on the other hand some kids need a separate advanced math class to keep them learning.  Both would fall under "special needs".

[$20 on joe vs dan]

14 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

that is a new one for me, and I have 2 special needs kids and their doctors and teachers still use that term along with other terms like kids with disability. the big bad one is the R..... word 

apparently "Special needs" is the term used by parents and care givers and specialist when the kids are young, but studies show that the kids themselves HATE THE TERM as they grow older and as adults; find it offensive...

 

also in strictly legal terms...federal law has protections for "disabled" but actually do not use the term "special needs"...I do believe it's more of a clinical and therapeutic term...ultimately the kids figure out REAL QUICK what "Special" really means amongst their peers...think short bus.

Edited June 16, 2021 by $20 on joe vs dan

[exciter1]

20 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

And here I thought the more inclusive term is "differently abled".

On a serious note, you may want to save a physical copy of whatever HR guide you signed.  You never know when HR decide to change the preferred pronoun from "they" to "your excellency" or preferred term from "women" to "womxn".  At least when you are singled out for offending someone, you have a physical proof of what the expected norm was as of the signed date.

On the show "That's Incredible", they coined the term Handi-Capable!

[exracer327]

1 minute ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

apparently "Special needs" is the term used by parents and care givers and specialist when the kids are young, but studies show that the kids themselves HATE THE TERM as they grow older and as adults; find it offensive...

Interesting.  That was really the only thing I could think of was the term was used when they were children and now that they are adults they want to be identified differently. 

Why can't we just refer to people as people instead of constantly trying to put everyone into buckets? *sigh*

[oneknightr]

This topic reminds me of the In Living Color HandiMan skits. Yes, I will burn in hell for posting this. 

[MarleyMoose]

6 hours ago, iahawks550 said:

Why are the terms "sell" and "sale" or "resell" and "resale" confusing to people? Facebook marketplace is full of:

"Baseball cards for sell"

"I'm saleing (not even a real word) this for my parents"

"Amazon overstock for resell"

Same for people using loose for lose. Drives me nuts!

[Alpinemaps]

My son does speech therapy, and everyone involved is part of the “SPEC” (Special Ed) department. It’s a minor speech issue that makes him sound like he’s from New England. Never occurred to me to be offended.

[$20 on joe vs dan]

2 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

My son does speech therapy, and everyone involved is part of the “SPEC” (Special Ed) department. It’s a minor speech issue that makes him sound like he’s from New England. Never occurred to me to be offended.

I would be offended if everyone thought me or my son was a Patriot's fan.

At age 3 my son started in a public school program being speech delayed w/ a nonclinical diagnosis of being within the spectrum for autism. Truly a great program that we were fortunate to be in...I know of a family that actually sold their home and re-located just to be in this program. I've been told that they get experts from other countries (UK most recently) just to observe and learn from this program.  Anyway, that said...there is definitely a stigma associated w/ any such programs which, unfortunately starts from other parent's narrow perceptions and gets passed on to their kids.

[Darth_Raichu]

3 hours ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

apparently "Special needs" is the term used by parents and care givers and specialist when the kids are young, but studies show that the kids themselves HATE THE TERM as they grow older and as adults; find it offensive...

 

also in strictly legal terms...federal law has protections for "disabled" but actually do not use the term "special needs"...I do believe it's more of a clinical and therapeutic term...ultimately the kids figure out REAL QUICK what "Special" really means amongst their peers...think short bus.

Interesting studies.  Curious, outside of the legal implications, did the studies conclude that these grown ups prefer the term "disabled" over "special needs" ?

[$20 on joe vs dan]

4 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Interesting studies.  Curious, outside of the legal implications, did the studies conclude that these grown ups prefer the term "disabled" over "special needs" ?

when interviewed the adults said the word "special" mis-characterizes them...their "needs" are no special than anyone else...what they are is disabled. The perception that someone has "special needs" implies that others are burdened w/ accommodating (causes resentment)...whereas "disabled" is more straight forward.

I think the difference between "special Needs" and "disabled" becomes more apparent as the child grows up...as parents we would like teachers to acknowledge that our child has "special needs" because we feel that will protect and help them.  As the child grows up they perceive that the special accommodations are viewed negatively by peers.

[raindroplet]

I'm also in education (although Japanese) and I'm a bit shocked as well to hear this. We use the term special education, although we never refer to the children themselves as special needs. I imagine their attitude is dependent on the person and their upbringing. 

I grew up in a "gifted" program throughout school and I still find that term rather embarrassing. It's a faulty label that makes parents of non-gifted kids feel like their children are lesser- and in turn, they fight like Hell to get their kids into the program. Those kids are not gifted and really cause trouble for the other students in the program. Gifted kids may be smart or creative, but generally they're also particular in their approach to education or their own needs. They're much more in line with special needs students than the public realizes. I can admit to experiencing my own strange behaviors, rituals and anxieties. The kids who weren't gifted often slowed down my education or made me feel othered for those behaviors despite supposedly sharing a safe space.  

I think it would be better to lump together special needs and gifted into a general "specialized" education, because that's what it is. Special has a condescending tone, while specialized refers to a process of specific needs across a wide variety of students. 

Personally, I think it's better in these cases just to talk with the people and ask what their opinions are for a case-by-case basis. I think that's all people really want. If they want me to use "they" or "special needs", I have no issue altering my speech to do it. As long as they are nice. 

Edited June 16, 2021 by raindroplet

[Shortbus311]

It's just like how my grandmother always used to say "bless his heart" (really meaning "he's an idiot") or "isn't he special" (really meaning "he's a few tools short of working with a full toolbox")... it always sounded like she was being nice especially with her southern accent, but there was hidden context underneath. I'm sure that's how adults who were "special needs" as children feel about the word special.

On a side note, my grandfather would just come right out and call you an idiot.

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[Darth_Raichu]

1 hour ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

when interviewed the adults said the word "special" mis-characterizes them...their "needs" are no special than anyone else...what they are is disabled. The perception that someone has "special needs" implies that others are burdened w/ accommodating (causes resentment)...whereas "disabled" is more straight forward.

I think the difference between "special Needs" and "disabled" becomes more apparent as the child grows up...as parents we would like teachers to acknowledge that our child has "special needs" because we feel that will protect and help them.  As the child grows up they perceive that the special accommodations are viewed negatively by peers.

Interesting.  The very effort intended to protect the kids turned out to cause resentment.  If they prefer terms that are more straightforward, I am seriously wondering if the term "differently abled" would actually sound condescending to these adults.  The inclusivity class that I took actually encouraged the usage of "differently abled" since it was a more inclusive term than "disabled".

[redghostx]

I concur with the gifted comment above. I was/am gifted and educating me was a challenge 30-35 years ago. I was basically special needs, before special needs was a thing. There was a lot of time studying by myself and I'm pretty sure it was detrimental long term. It didn't help that I was 18 months younger than everyone else.

There were many times that I was ridiculed or isolated for being gifted.

Yay LEGO!

[KvHulk]

I'm normally abled. Refer to me as such.

Anyway... Action figure collectors... I've never met such a whiny bunch of adults. Despite being told when and where items will be put on sale/pre-order and despite items being in-stock/orderable for several minutes (lets face it, a few minutes is forever) they still complain about dead links, instant sell-outs, scalpers, resellers, their parents, bad education, you name it they complain about it.  /end rant

Edit: Can't forget these pop-tarts are hand fed direct product links and still cannot manage to place an order for what they want.

Double Edit: Also, people that complain about other people whining.

Edited June 17, 2021 by KvHulk

[KvHulk]

ALSO!

Umpires with changing strike zones. Pick a damn zone and be consistent!

[redghostx]

ALSO!

Umpires with changing strike zones. Pick a damn zone and be consistent!

Have you ever umpired?

Yay LEGO!

[raindog]

8 hours ago, KvHulk said:

ALSO!

Umpires with changing strike zones. Pick a damn zone and be consistent!

Better still, let's go back to calling the rule-book strikes.

 

[TheOrcKing]

11 hours ago, KvHulk said:

Umpires with changing strike zones. Pick a damn zone and be consistent!

 

[KvHulk]

15 hours ago, redghostx said:

Have you ever umpired?

Yay LEGO!
 

Sure.

15 hours ago, raindog said:

Better still, let's go back to calling the rule-book strikes.

 

That's asking too much from these clowns. I'd just like them to be consistent. They call what they want batter to batter.
High inside fastball called a strike? Next pitch it's a ball. Same batter, same team. It's just dumb. That Mets/Padres series was a joke.
Not long ago, at the very least, umpires might call balls and strikes individually but at least you knew and could adjust.
(and they were consistent, mostly.)

Edited June 18, 2021 by KvHulk

[redghostx]

I don't know what sure means, but I actually umpire baseball. High school, college, NAIA, some regional teams with ex college/Minor Leaguers so I have a little experience in being consistent, or being brutal depending on your perspective.

First, it's hard to be consistent every game. You never know what a person is feeling every day or going through. That covers the non professional part mostly but also applies to pros.

Second, most of the MLB umpires are highly accurate and the ones that aren't are grandfathered in to be sucky and aren't going anywhere; it's mostly merit based, but not entirely.

Third, fastest pitch I've personally called was gunned at 93. I'd shudder to see these 100 mph pitches with movement.

Yay LEGO!