Retiring Soon - open speculation

[iahawks550]

1 minute ago, Captain_chaos said:

Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
 

If people routinely got fired for bad business decisions at Lego, they would be hiring new management monthly

[jimmajenga]

1 hour ago, Haay said:

As the Sith Infiltrators, Resistance Troop Transporters, Encounter on Jakku, and Vader's TIE Advanced vs A-Wing in my inventory are all proving...  

Especially Resistance Troop Transporter, retired nearly 2 years ago, still isn't selling, even at the same 50% off I got it for. 

Yea, in Canada retail for Encounter on Jakku is $75... I picked up at $15... Sold them for $40. Couldn't get more then that which is just over 50% off after taxes. Vader's TIE Advanced vs A-Wing retailed for $120, my buy in was about $75... wound up letting them go for $75... I was more than happy just to get my money back! lol

[Yellow Castle]

15 minutes ago, jimmajenga said:

Yea, in Canada retail for Encounter on Jakku is $75... I picked up at $15... Sold them for $40. Couldn't get more then that which is just over 50% off after taxes. Vader's TIE Advanced vs A-Wing retailed for $120, my buy in was about $75... wound up letting them go for $75... I was more than happy just to get my money back! lol

I sold few 75150 ok the first Christmas they retired but then the remains turds just lingered and I still have 4. See what this Xmas brings. Not even worth breaking box up to sell separately as so many resellers have done that already.

i agree with many on here SW theme has had its time. There will be few exceptions but even Rogue One which had good ship designs and one off film aren’t doing that well. 

So back to 2018 retirements the RS tags must be getting applied to SaH soon surely? I think it was early-mid November last year but could be wrong.

 

[crayxlp]

10 hours ago, iahawks550 said:

If people routinely got fired for bad business decisions at Lego, they would be hiring new management monthly

maybe in US, totally unlikely in EU where are truly strict legal regulations as to why and for what reason and in which period you can fire a personnel.. e.g. locally you are simply NOT ALLOWED to fire anyone - unless certain conditions are met: 1) that person repeatedly disobeyed or violated your commands 2) sick leave without doc's authorization 3] you no longer need that specific job position -  even then in all those three cases the employee is entitled to 2- months salary bonus leave. .. if you want to fire anyone just because you feel like that, you can do that, but would have to pay 5x monthly salary fee as a leave package.

Edited November 14, 2018 by crayxlp

[iahawks550]

I would think...... Sucks at your job..... Should be enough to fire someone. 

[crayxlp]

1 minute ago, iahawks550 said:

I would think...... Sucks at your job..... Should be enough to fire someone. 

Im not sure I got it right, but in this case Im the employer..

[Yellow Castle]

The RS Tags have started to be applied. 146 on SaH UK.

Wow Tower Bridge going and quite a few surprises too. 

I  think I need to remortgage ?

 

[marcandre]

Silent Mary, Big Ben, Detective Office, Brick Bank?! all marked retiring soon on UK LEGO Shop at Home. Clearing out some duds it seems. 

Not marked Parisian and Slave

Edited November 16, 2018 by marcandre

[Yellow Castle]

So surprised ar Big Ben  too. It’s iconic set, thought it world have done better and had longer shelf life. Now makes sense why JL and Smrths had a 20% off last winter, slow sellers like 75144.

Some Architectures are surprise too but then like the randomness of RS Tags so far.

 

[Sozial]

5 hours ago, Yellow Castle said:

The RS Tags have started to be applied. 146 on SaH UK.

Wow Tower Bridge going and quite a few surprises too. 

I  think I need to remortgage ?

 

I got rid of my last tower bridges, because it could not bear seeing the set going to do more years

Edited November 16, 2018 by Sozial

[Legojona]

Lot of pretty recent architecture sets in there.

 

 think the Ferris Wheel is one of the most iconic sets there is. It speaks both to children (I checked by letting my nephews and nieces play with it) and adults (Just think about the way it makes each MOC city seem like so much more fun)

 

[Guest TabbyBoy]

I bet a lot will be glad to see the back of the Technic Porsche, I may now finally get my first (and only) one. The Tower Bridge is a surprise as I was told that this had another 5 years to go (I know, sprinkle some salt on it!), but the Old Fishing Store doesn't make sense as it appears to be a huge seller and is a lovely set. Here's my thoughts on some of these retirees:

21029 - Buck House: The World's most famous house and hasn't been out long, pure gold? (I'm very tempted to order 20x ASAP!) - PASS

42068 - Technic ARV: Often available at 50% off, a nice looking vehicle, somewhat overlooked, sell for RRP within a year? - PASS

21056 - Technic Porsche: About God damn time! Massively discounted, available everywhere, widely hoarded, will struggle to reach RRP? - FAIL

10214 - Tower Bridge: Shame to see it go TBH, I can see these going VERY quickly, disappointment awaits due to very long life and big Amazon discounts - FAIL

10253 - Big Ben Elizabeth Tower: Short(ish) life, small discounts, World's most famous clock tower, everybody loves London (even Americans!) - PASS

10246/10252 - Modulars: Theme losing it's mojo I think, failure of Pet Shop, other EOLs stagnating, possible hoarding - FAIL

21312 - Women of NASA: Massive NASA fan base, unique set, will pair well with 21110 RI and 21309 S5, easy to ship, slagged off on here, dark horse - PASS

It's early days so don't shoot me down yet... in a year from now, you can! ?

Good luck, guys... I'll have a good think and decide soon if it's worth topping up.

 

[Val-E]

No T1 tagged? I guess the webmaster must have left it off the list to avoid hoarding.

[Guest TabbyBoy]

11 minutes ago, Val-E said:

No T1 tagged? I guess the webmaster must have left it off the list to avoid hoarding.

I was hoping for that too as I bought way too early back in 2013. There's no hope for the T1 after 5 years of hoarding, surely? I sold mine not too long ago at break-even and have no plans to buy more unless they hit -50% which is unlikely. I think the Mini and Beetle will go first, event the F40 did.

[Val-E]

5 minutes ago, TabbyBoy said:

I was hoping for that too as I bought way too early back in 2013. There's no hope for the T1 after 5 years of hoarding, surely? I sold mine not too long ago at break-even and have no plans to buy more unless they hit -50% which is unlikely. I think the Mini and Beetle will go first, event the F40 did.

At this rate the bleeding Aston Martin will go first!

[Yellow Castle]

2 minutes ago, TabbyBoy said:

I was hoping for that too as I bought way too early back in 2013. There's no hope for the T1 after 5 years of hoarding, surely? I sold mine not too long ago at break-even and have no plans to buy more unless they hit -50% which is unlikely. I think the Mini and Beetle will go first, event the F40 did.

Sorry i can’t remember where I read it (or maybe I dreamt it) but I thought the Mini was expected to retire this year but no tag yet? 

i think we still have more sets to be tagged, usually more City, Brickheadz and as mentioned earlier 75060 which was showing in LEGO catalogue last month has no RS tag.

 

[fantomas007]

24 minutes ago, TabbyBoy said:

21029 - Buck House: The World's most famous house and hasn't been out long, pure gold? (I'm very tempted to order 20x ASAP!) - PASS

42068 - Technic ARV: Often available at 50% off, a nice looking vehicle, somewhat overlooked, sell for RRP within a year? - PASS

21056 - Technic Porsche: About God damn time! Massively discounted, available everywhere, widely hoarded, will struggle to reach RRP? - FAIL

10214 - Tower Bridge: Shame to see it go TBH, I can see these going VERY quickly, disappointment awaits due to very long life and big Amazon discounts - FAIL

10253 - Big Ben Elizabeth Tower: Short(ish) life, small discounts, World's most famous clock tower, everybody loves London (even Americans!) - PASS

10246/10252 - Modulars: Theme losing it's mojo I think, failure of Pet Shop, other EOLs stagnating, possible hoarding - FAIL

21312 - Women of NASA: Massive NASA fan base, unique set, will pair well with 21110 RI and 21309 S5, easy to ship, slagged off on here, dark horse - PASS

It's early days so don't shoot me down yet... in a year from now, you can! ?

Good luck, guys... I'll have a good think and decide soon if it's worth topping up.

 

Some retiring sets are unexpected (2 newer modulars instead of PR, big ben, just after 2.5 years, very short in comparsion with long lived TB), also some non-retiring sets are a surprise (no one creator expert car, although MiniCooper was noticed as retiring soon by 2 relevant sources, Slave also was highly expected as retiring soon).

My opinion to potential of retiring sets:

21029 - very strong architecture sets, can have same good potential as Louvre

42056 - I dont agree that it has no potential. It was very popular, very good seller + its a first set of a serie. Yes, it is hoarded, but almost every big set is now hoarded.

10214 - although extremly long lived, although stagnant Sydney opera is warning us from buying the landmarks, its very popular building from very popular city. Of course, since many people have these sets on shelves a long time, the satisfaction of the profit / per year will be poor. The winners are people who buy this set this year.

10253 - same pros as 10214, plus unexpected short EOL - must by a winner.

10246/10252 - although this topis is highly affected by an inflation of many modulars coming each year and slow rise, there is still a space for some profits. The key is to buy the modular as late as possible. Plus EOL of these sets was unexpected.

 

[Guest TabbyBoy]

I see that the 42068 ARV is now OOS in the UK which isn't surprising as it's one of the best looking IMHO. The AWE is a bit long in the tooth (like the Porsche) so may well hang on until the bitter end. Remember that Asda may be selling retired Technic sets for some time, like the 42066 Air Race Jet.

LEGO should remove all buying limits and get this crap cleared out so that we can move on!

[Lolo7406]

Hello what do you think a seller in France sell falcon millenium 75192 new 450 € ? Is it interresting ?

Edited November 16, 2018 by Lolo7406

[kouks]

Curious as to people's thoughts on 21035 - Guggenheim museum.  I quite like the look of this set and didn't seem to have a very long run.

[brickvoyeur]

Here is what I found tagged  on SAH UK. My apologies for what I missed.

10214-1 Tower Bridge
10246-1 Old Fishing Store
10247-1 Ferris Wheel
10251-1 Brick Bank
10253-1 Big Ben
10401-1 Rainbow Fun
10402-1 Fun Future
10403-1 World Fun
10404-1 Ocean's Bottom
10405-1 Mission to Mars
10592-1 Fire Truck
10693-1 Creative Supplement
10703-1 Creative Builder Box
10704-1 Creative Box
10706-1 Blue Creative Box
10707-1 Red Creative Box
10708-1 Green Creative Box
10709-1 Orange Creative Box
10730-1 Lightning McQueen Speed Launcher
10731-1 Cruz Ramirez Race Simulator
10736-1 Anna and Elsa's Frozen Playground
10737-1 Batman vs. Mr. Freeze
10739-1 Shark Attack
10740-1 Fire Patrol Suitcase
10743-1 Smokey's Garage
10744-1 Thunder Hollow Crazy 8 Race
10745-1 Florida 500 Final Race
10748-1 Emma's Pet Party
10749-1 Mia's Organic Food Market
10750-1 Road Repair Truck
10755-1 Zane's Ninja Boat Pursuit
10759-1 Elastigirl's Rooftop Pursuit
10760-1 Underminer's Bank Heist
10761-1 The Great Home Escape
10763-1 Stephanie's Lakeside House
10765-1 Ariel's Underwater Concert
10805-1 Around the World
10809-1 Police Patrol
10816-1 My First Cars and Trucks
10832-1 Birthday Party
10833-1 Nursery School
10836-1 Neighborhood
10837-1 Santa's Winter Holiday
10838-1 Pets
10839-1 Shooting Gallery
10843-1 Mickey Racer
10844-1 Minnie Mouse Bow-tique
10846-1 Flo's Café
10851-1 My First Bus
10854-1 Creative Box
10861-1 My First Emotions
10878-1 Rapunzel's Tower
21019-1 The Eiffel Tower
21029-1 Buckingham Palace
21032-1 Sydney
21033-1 Chicago
21035-1 Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum
21036-1 Arc de Triomphe
21129-1 The Mushroom Island
21130-1 The Nether Railway
21134-1 The Waterfall Base
21136-1 The Ocean Monument
21137-1 The Mountain Cave
21138-1 The Melon Farm
21139-1 The Nether Fight
21144-1 The Farm Cottage
21146-1 The Skeleton Arena
21308-1 Adventure Time
21310-1 Detective's office
21312-1 Women of NASA
31056-1 Green Cruiser
31057-1 Air Blazer
31062-1 Robo Explorer
31066-1 Space Shuttle Explorer
31068-1 Modular Modern Home
31069-1 Modular Family Villa
31070-1 Turbo Track Racer
31075-1 Outback Adventures
31076-1 Daredevil Stunt Plane
31080-1 Modular Winter Vacation
31085-1 Mobile Stunt Show
41145-1 Ariel and the Magical Spell
41148-1 Elsa's Magical Ice Palace
41150-1 Moana's Ocean Voyage
41151-1 Mulan's Training Day
41152-1 Sleeping Beauty's Fairytale Castle
41154-1 Cinderella's Dream Castle
41156-1 Rapunzel's Castle Bedroom
41311-1 Heartlake Pizzeria
41316-1 Andrea's Speedboat Transporter
41317-1 Sunshine Catamaran
41318-1 Heartlake Hospital
41320-1 Heartlake Frozen Yogurt Shop
41322-1 Snow Resort Ice Rink
41323-1 Snow Resort Chalet
41324-1 Snow Resort Ski Lift
41325-1 Heartlake City Playground
41327-1 Mia's Bedroom
41328-1 Stephanie's Bedroom
41329-1 Olivia's Deluxe Bedroom
41330-1 Stephanie's Soccer Practice
41334-1 Andrea's Park Performance
41341-1 Andrea's Bedroom
41342-1 Emma's Deluxe Bedroom
42055-1 Bucket Wheel Excavator
42057-1 Ultralight Helicopter
42058-1 Stunt Bike
42059-1 Stunt Truck
42060-1 Roadwork Crew
42062-1 Container Yard
42063-1 BMW R 1200 GS Adventure
42064-1 Ocean Explorer
42065-1 RC Tracked Racer
42068-1 Airport Rescue Vehicle
42069-1 Extreme Adventure
42076-1 Hovercraft
60107-1 Fire Ladder Truck
60108-1 Fire Response Unit
60110-1 Fire Station
60140-1 Bulldozer Break-In
60153-1 People Pack - Fun at the Beach
60154-1 Bus Station
60169-1 Cargo Terminal
60170-1 Off-Road Chase
60171-1 Mountain Fugitives
60175-1 Mountain River Heist
60177-1 Airshow Jet
60178-1 Speed Record Car
70606-1 Spinjitzu Training
70608-1 Master Falls
70610-1 Flying Jelly Sub
70611-1 Water Strider
70613-1 Garma Mecha Man
70614-1 Lightning Jet
70615-1 Fire Mech
70617-1 Temple of the Ultimate Ultimate Weapon
70629-1 Piranha Attack
70631-1 Garmadon's Volcano Lair
70632-1 Quake Mech
70640-1 S.O.G. Headquarters
70642-1 Killow vs. Samurai X
70643-1 Temple of Resurrection
70656-1 garmadon, Garmadon, GARMADON!
71042-1 Silent Mary
75144-1 Snowspeeder
75166-1 First Order Transport Speeder Battle Pack
75167-1 Bounty Hunter Speeder Bike Battle Pack
75168-1 Yoda's Jedi Starfighter
75169-1 Duel on Naboo
75172-1 Y-Wing Starfighter
75173-1 Luke's Landspeeder
75176-1 Resistance Transport Pod
75177-1 First Order Heavy Scout Walker
75178-1 Jakku Quadjumper
75179-1 Kylo Ren's TIE Fighter
75180-1 Rathtar Escape
75181-1 Y-wing Starfighter
75182-1 Republic Fighter Tank
75185-1 Tracker I
75186-1 The Arrowhead
75188-1 Resistance Bomber
75190-1 First Order Star Destroyer
75191-1 Jedi Starfighter with Hyperdrive
75195-1 Ski Speeder vs. First Order Walker Microfighters
75197-1 First Order Specialists Battle Pack
75198-1 Tatooine Battle Pack
75201-1 First Order AT-ST
75202-1 Defense of Crait
75205-1 Mos Eisley Cantina
75207-1 Imperial Patrol Battle Pack
75827-1 Firehouse Headquarters
75877-1 Mercedes-AMG GT3
75879-1 Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H
75880-1 McLaren 720S
75881-1 2016 Ford GT & 1966 Ford GT40
75883-1 Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
75887-1 Porsche 919 Hybrid
76077-1 Iron Man: Detroit Steel Strikes
76078-1 Hulk vs. Red Hulk
76082-1 ATM Heist Battle
76083-1 Beware the Vulture
76085-1 Battle of Atlantis
76087-1 Flying Fox: Batmobile Airlift Attack
76096-1 Superman & Krypto Team-Up
76097-1 Lex Luthor Mech Takedown
76098-1 Speed Force Freeze Pursuit
76099-1 Rhino Face-Off by the Mine
76100-1 Royal Talon Fighter Attack
76103-1 Corvus Glaive Thresher Attack

 

[PeaceBD]

Thanks for the full list. Is the GB HQ sold out at all retailers in US except Lego LEGO Shop at Home? 

[Phil B]

Here is what I found tagged  on SAH UK. My apologies for what I missed.
10214-1 Tower Bridge
10246-1 Old Fishing Store
10247-1 Ferris Wheel
10251-1 Brick Bank
10253-1 Big Ben
10401-1 Rainbow Fun
10402-1 Fun Future
10403-1 World Fun
10404-1 Ocean's Bottom
10405-1 Mission to Mars
10592-1 Fire Truck
10693-1 Creative Supplement
10703-1 Creative Builder Box
10704-1 Creative Box
10706-1 Blue Creative Box
10707-1 Red Creative Box
10708-1 Green Creative Box
10709-1 Orange Creative Box
10730-1 Lightning McQueen Speed Launcher
10731-1 Cruz Ramirez Race Simulator
10736-1 Anna and Elsa's Frozen Playground
10737-1 Batman vs. Mr. Freeze
10739-1 Shark Attack
10740-1 Fire Patrol Suitcase
10743-1 Smokey's Garage
10744-1 Thunder Hollow Crazy 8 Race
10745-1 Florida 500 Final Race
10748-1 Emma's Pet Party
10749-1 Mia's Organic Food Market
10750-1 Road Repair Truck
10755-1 Zane's Ninja Boat Pursuit
10759-1 Elastigirl's Rooftop Pursuit
10760-1 Underminer's Bank Heist
10761-1 The Great Home Escape
10763-1 Stephanie's Lakeside House
10765-1 Ariel's Underwater Concert
10805-1 Around the World
10809-1 Police Patrol
10816-1 My First Cars and Trucks
10832-1 Birthday Party
10833-1 Nursery School
10836-1 Neighborhood
10837-1 Santa's Winter Holiday
10838-1 Pets
10839-1 Shooting Gallery
10843-1 Mickey Racer
10844-1 Minnie Mouse Bow-tique
10846-1 Flo's Café
10851-1 My First Bus
10854-1 Creative Box
10861-1 My First Emotions
10878-1 Rapunzel's Tower
21019-1 The Eiffel Tower
21029-1 Buckingham Palace
21032-1 Sydney
21033-1 Chicago
21035-1 Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum
21036-1 Arc de Triomphe
21129-1 The Mushroom Island
21130-1 The Nether Railway
21134-1 The Waterfall Base
21136-1 The Ocean Monument
21137-1 The Mountain Cave
21138-1 The Melon Farm
21139-1 The Nether Fight
21144-1 The Farm Cottage
21146-1 The Skeleton Arena
21308-1 Adventure Time
21310-1 Detective's office
21312-1 Women of NASA
31056-1 Green Cruiser
31057-1 Air Blazer
31062-1 Robo Explorer
31066-1 Space Shuttle Explorer
31068-1 Modular Modern Home
31069-1 Modular Family Villa
31070-1 Turbo Track Racer
31075-1 Outback Adventures
31076-1 Daredevil Stunt Plane
31080-1 Modular Winter Vacation
31085-1 Mobile Stunt Show
41145-1 Ariel and the Magical Spell
41148-1 Elsa's Magical Ice Palace
41150-1 Moana's Ocean Voyage
41151-1 Mulan's Training Day
41152-1 Sleeping Beauty's Fairytale Castle
41154-1 Cinderella's Dream Castle
41156-1 Rapunzel's Castle Bedroom
41311-1 Heartlake Pizzeria
41316-1 Andrea's Speedboat Transporter
41317-1 Sunshine Catamaran
41318-1 Heartlake Hospital
41320-1 Heartlake Frozen Yogurt Shop
41322-1 Snow Resort Ice Rink
41323-1 Snow Resort Chalet
41324-1 Snow Resort Ski Lift
41325-1 Heartlake City Playground
41327-1 Mia's Bedroom
41328-1 Stephanie's Bedroom
41329-1 Olivia's Deluxe Bedroom
41330-1 Stephanie's Soccer Practice
41334-1 Andrea's Park Performance
41341-1 Andrea's Bedroom
41342-1 Emma's Deluxe Bedroom
42055-1 Bucket Wheel Excavator
42057-1 Ultralight Helicopter
42058-1 Stunt Bike
42059-1 Stunt Truck
42060-1 Roadwork Crew
42062-1 Container Yard
42063-1 BMW R 1200 GS Adventure
42064-1 Ocean Explorer
42065-1 RC Tracked Racer
42068-1 Airport Rescue Vehicle
42069-1 Extreme Adventure
42076-1 Hovercraft
60107-1 Fire Ladder Truck
60108-1 Fire Response Unit
60110-1 Fire Station
60140-1 Bulldozer Break-In
60153-1 People Pack - Fun at the Beach
60154-1 Bus Station
60169-1 Cargo Terminal
60170-1 Off-Road Chase
60171-1 Mountain Fugitives
60175-1 Mountain River Heist
60177-1 Airshow Jet
60178-1 Speed Record Car
70606-1 Spinjitzu Training
70608-1 Master Falls
70610-1 Flying Jelly Sub
70611-1 Water Strider
70613-1 Garma Mecha Man
70614-1 Lightning Jet
70615-1 Fire Mech
70617-1 Temple of the Ultimate Ultimate Weapon
70629-1 Piranha Attack
70631-1 Garmadon's Volcano Lair
70632-1 Quake Mech
70640-1 S.O.G. Headquarters
70642-1 Killow vs. Samurai X
70643-1 Temple of Resurrection
70656-1 garmadon, Garmadon, GARMADON!
71042-1 Silent Mary
75144-1 Snowspeeder
75166-1 First Order Transport Speeder Battle Pack
75167-1 Bounty Hunter Speeder Bike Battle Pack
75168-1 Yoda's Jedi Starfighter
75169-1 Duel on Naboo
75172-1 Y-Wing Starfighter
75173-1 Luke's Landspeeder
75176-1 Resistance Transport Pod
75177-1 First Order Heavy Scout Walker
75178-1 Jakku Quadjumper
75179-1 Kylo Ren's TIE Fighter
75180-1 Rathtar Escape
75181-1 Y-wing Starfighter
75182-1 Republic Fighter Tank
75185-1 Tracker I
75186-1 The Arrowhead
75188-1 Resistance Bomber
75190-1 First Order Star Destroyer
75191-1 Jedi Starfighter with Hyperdrive
75195-1 Ski Speeder vs. First Order Walker Microfighters
75197-1 First Order Specialists Battle Pack
75198-1 Tatooine Battle Pack
75201-1 First Order AT-ST
75202-1 Defense of Crait
75205-1 Mos Eisley Cantina
75207-1 Imperial Patrol Battle Pack
75827-1 Firehouse Headquarters
75877-1 Mercedes-AMG GT3
75879-1 Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H
75880-1 McLaren 720S
75881-1 2016 Ford GT & 1966 Ford GT40
75883-1 Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team
75887-1 Porsche 919 Hybrid
76077-1 Iron Man: Detroit Steel Strikes
76078-1 Hulk vs. Red Hulk
76082-1 ATM Heist Battle
76083-1 Beware the Vulture
76085-1 Battle of Atlantis
76087-1 Flying Fox: Batmobile Airlift Attack
76096-1 Superman & Krypto Team-Up
76097-1 Lex Luthor Mech Takedown
76098-1 Speed Force Freeze Pursuit
76099-1 Rhino Face-Off by the Mine
76100-1 Royal Talon Fighter Attack
76103-1 Corvus Glaive Thresher Attack
 

10246 and 21310 are mixed up. Great list though!

[Shadow29]

75060 at french shop is notified retired soon.

 

42056 too

[dennugsmello]

How strong is the correlation between "retiring soon" sets in the UK to the US? Does the list above give an indication the same sets will retire in the US in similar time?