Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Well, that's true of sales tax but I am sure there are ways to cheat the European tax code in some other area. But as you said, that makes it more difficult. yeh every single thing I purchase even on amazon.uk.com i get auto added VAT (or sales tax) yeh maybe somewhere else in Europe you could I wouldnt know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 The worst thing about tax law in America is that the government doesn't make an effort to educate citizens about it. You can say it's my responsibility to find out for myself, sure. But I could say that, hypothetically speaking, if I wanted my cut of your money, I'd make damn sure you knew how much you owed me. Anybody here learn any tax law in high school? Probably not. I'm of the opinion that personal finance should be a significant area of study in public schools. It's no wonder this country goes in and out of financial crises; money is a subject often ignored in education. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1147 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 One thing I'd like to point out is the liberal use of the term "cheat" when describing tax loopholes. The fact is the US tax system is the most complex in the world and it actually encourages both individuals and corporations to find ways to pay less tax through loopholes, legal tax avoidance and deductions. This is not "cheating." The tax code actually tells how to use these techniques to pay less tax. Often these techniques can only be used if you have the proper advice (and money to pay for that advice). That is why proponents of a simple flat tax often refer to it as a "fair tax." Defenders of the system could say that it encourages entrepreneurship and capitalism. A simpler system would for sure reduce the number of tax lawyers, accountants, and other tax-related jobs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos_Eisley Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 You don't have income taxes there that you have to report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 The worst thing about tax law in America is that the government doesn't make an effort to educate citizens about it. You can say it's my responsibility to find out for myself, sure. But I could say that, hypothetically speaking, if I wanted my cut of your money, I'd make damn sure you knew how much you owed me. Anybody here learn any tax law in high school? Probably not. I'm of the opinion that personal finance should be a significant area of study in public schools. It's no wonder this country goes in and out of financial crises; money is a subject often ignored in education. Id go as far and actually say thats on purpose.... Its same in our schools... people think payment is what you get on bank account.... totally dumb thinking imo.... but even on FINANCIAL colelges we dont get thought about taxes and pays... Its like country doesnt want us to know that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 You don't have income taxes there that you have to report? No a DURS (Dav?na uprava Republike Slovenia) basically tax office automatically collects all data on each working citizen (others do not to pay it) and each year around MAY I get for a year back an already filled out tax form that is only there for information... and if nothing is wrong then Simply I pay small amounts or get small amounts back (that is due to difference in yearly and monthly payment taxation... ) for example If i get paid 600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos_Eisley Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It sounds like it's still easy enough to cheat your system. Don't report your Christmas bonus, don't notify of an error in your favor, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Wouldn't it just be easier if we lived in a commune and just shared money and everyone worked as hard as they could? Stoneage was where it was at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fcbarcelona101 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Wouldn't it just be easier if we lived in a commune and just shared money and everyone worked as hard as they could? Stoneage was where it was at. It was tried already (pilgrims) Let's just say it didn't work out to well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1147 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Aren't there still communities that do that? I'm thinking of the Amish and Mennonites... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciter1 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Aren't there still communities that do that? I'm thinking of the Amish and Mennonites... The Amish sometimes now have cars, computers, and their own mafia. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/amish-mafia-bending-rules-centuries-amish-lifestyle/story?id=20075222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1147 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 And reality tv shows! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickleboy Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 One thing I'd like to point out is the liberal use of the term "cheat" when describing tax loopholes. The fact is the US tax system is the most complex in the world and it actually encourages both individuals and corporations to find ways to pay less tax through loopholes, legal tax avoidance and deductions. This is not "cheating." The tax code actually tells how to use these techniques to pay less tax. Often these techniques can only be used if you have the proper advice (and money to pay for that advice). That is why proponents of a simple flat tax often refer to it as a "fair tax." Defenders of the system could say that it encourages entrepreneurship and capitalism. A simpler system would for sure reduce the number of tax lawyers, accountants, and other tax-related jobs! Agreed, the thread has gone a little off track but using loopholes is one thing, not reporting your income is another. I would love a fair tax but there are more tax prepares in this country than police and firemen combined. (Most just work seasonally) We will never change our tax system. (I hope I am totally wrong about that second part.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafrog Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Well none of them were false ever.... you know a gypsy familly in Slovenia about 70 miles away from me has 50 kids and noone has job and they get 13.000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It sounds like it's still easy enough to cheat your system. Don't report your Christmas bonus, don't notify of an error in your favor, etc. Impossible to do that... because if I get it paid on my bank account 8which is the only way) it gets notified automatically because accountant has to pay taxes from it and pension funds percentages... I do not report anything.... the company does.... If they do not report it they are making the cheating... hence then they would be charged what I got too much on tax payout... I do nothing with tax reports apart of checking the numbers.... All I am legally bound to do is notify them if any of then umbers on the tax form are incorrect... then they start individual procedures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafrog Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 lol, I seem to have acquired a new award - I am grateful you didn't dub me "The Babbler"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I understand racism, which is what your comments and attitudes toward gypsies look like to me. We have a great many welfare recipients in this country with lots of kids, and I suppose I could make disparaging comments on them based on their varying races, if I didn't have to look in the mirror every morning. I also don't generalize entire countries' populations in insulting ways - I find it's both more kind and more sensible to take individuals as I find them rather than despising people based on race, nationality, or financial status. They have no country.... technically they are not different race, nationality or anything.... If majority of some population is something there is technically possible to generalize (51%) and that is the case with gypsies in my country.... Dont worry i piss on the same Slovenians doing that all the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos_Eisley Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Impossible to do that... because if I get it paid on my bank account 8which is the only way) it gets notified automatically because accountant has to pay taxes from it and pension funds percentages... I do not report anything.... the company does.... If they do not report it they are making the cheating... hence then they would be charged what I got too much on tax payout... I do nothing with tax reports apart of checking the numbers.... All I am legally bound to do is notify them if any of then umbers on the tax form are incorrect... then they start individual procedures. I stand corrected. I guess Slovenia has it all figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I stand corrected. I guess Slovenia has it all figured out. Yeah we have many dumb things all over buy tax system is one of the best..... 99% of tax fraud is done by companies called SP (kinda like 1 man company) where people use grey economy to get plumbers, electricians tilesrs, for home work and pay them with cash and no receipts..... Its technically impossible to cheat the tax system as an individual citizen though ... I guess thats 1 of rare +++ things in the whole retarded country lol... But as you could read you can cheat the social system so easily... if you get 5 kids country pays your pension and gives you PAYMENT per month 600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fcbarcelona101 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 What if you sell a bunch of LEGO in a cash transaction and don't report it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 What if you sell a bunch of LEGO in a cash transaction and don't report it? The Slovenian tax official eats the children that you created so you could go on welfare to make more money than a computer repair guy. Nasty stuff. Gotta report it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 As a parent of 2 young children, I say all parents should get all the money in the whole world. Kids are feral creatures. It's hard work sustaining the human species while you bachelors build Lego. Anyone with 50 kids is not getting paid enough, regardless of their employment lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 As a parent of 2 young children, I say all parents should get all the money in the whole world. Kids are feral creatures. It's hard work sustaining the human species while you bachelors build Lego. Anyone with 50 kids is not getting paid enough, regardless of their employment lol. Thats a good point. I wouldn't have one kid to make 17,000Euros or whatever they have in Slovenia a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 What if you sell a bunch of LEGO in a cash transaction and don't report it? Yeah ofcourse thats grey economy just like everywhere else... As a parent of 2 young children, I say all parents should get all the money in the whole world. Kids are feral creatures. It's hard work sustaining the human species while you bachelors build Lego. Anyone with 50 kids is not getting paid enough, regardless of their employment lol. I would heavily disagree.... I am a firm believer that you need to have enough money to raise and pay for your own children if you cannot you should not have them... but thats another topic on its own... Technically looking I and every Slovenian resident is already 25.000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 My wife and I, you should have seen our faces when we got our tax return after our first kid. Cha-ching! Keep in mind, the kid spent all that money, more or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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