Bold-Arrow Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, jbacunn said: The letter you got wasn't for Lego though right? no it wasn't , different brand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciter1 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, legorunner said: Thanks for sharing. So, anyone have thoughts on why LEGO hasn't issued any public communication about this? It seems like a press release outlining their concerns about resellers and outlining a plan to pursue legal action would both play well with the average consumer AND save LEGO in legal fees as some/many folks voluntarily give up the game. I also wonder why EBay sellers haven't received the same? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickvoyeur Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, exciter1 said: I also wonder why EBay sellers haven't received the same? Amazon happily shares seller information when you click their profile. Name and address. Even Bricklink will show you a seller's address as long as you make a purchase. All Vorys would have to do there is create an account and place orders, request an invoice, and never pay. Could collect a ton of victims quickly, long before anyone even had a chance to complete a "not paid" complaint after a wait of a week. You can only see a seller's address on eBay on the shipping label when the item arrives. Edited February 10, 2022 by brickvoyeur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricklectic Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, brickvoyeur said: Amazon happily shares seller information when you click their profile. Name and address. You can only see a seller's address on eBay on the shipping label when the item arrives. My friend that guy a vorys letter for Lego did not receive it at the address on display which is his business address. He received it at his home address. Clearly they have some other way of getting your personal information. Perhaps they order from you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bricklectic said: My friend that guy a vorys letter for Lego did not receive it at the address on display which is his business address. He received it at his home address. Clearly they have some other way of getting your personal information. Perhaps they order from you? i always get two copies. one at the house and the other at the business address. i really isnt that hard if you have your business registered and your info is displayed on your Amazon storefront . they 100% do test buys with mystery shoppers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricklectic Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said: they 100% do test buys with mystery shoppers I have some baking competitions priced at 55 amazon has a million left seemingly at 40 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WMBCGG2 yet i have 3 orders this week. makes no sense. hope its not some "test buys" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Twain Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I ran upon a few interesting links authored by Vory’s outlining their cease and desist strategy. https://www.vorys.com/publications-1819.htmlThey’ve also published several white papers but I’m not giving them info to download themhttps://www.vorysecontrol.com/resources/white-papers/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mark Twain said: I ran upon a few interesting links authored by Vory’s outlining their cease and desist strategy. https://www.vorys.com/publications-1819.html They’ve also published several white papers but I’m not giving them info to download them https://www.vorysecontrol.com/resources/white-papers/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The many faces of the enemy. This will end up in court one day and I’ll be looking forward to fund the good guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSam Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark Twain said: I ran upon a few interesting links authored by Vory’s outlining their cease and desist strategy. https://www.vorys.com/publications-1819.html They’ve also published several white papers but I’m not giving them info to download them https://www.vorysecontrol.com/resources/white-papers/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That was a fascinating read. Thanks. Slightly frightening and possibly a case exercising power to create fear without justification. I'll be really interested if and when one of these does go to court! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricklectic Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Unfortunately, the recent Walmart saga of dozens of shady 3rd party sellers selling counterfeit lego lends credence to Vorys claims of lego having processes in place to vet sellers. They can always point this out to a judge and say this is what happens......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bricklectic said: Unfortunately, the recent Walmart saga of dozens of shady 3rd party sellers selling counterfeit lego lends credence to Vorys claims of lego having processes in place to vet sellers. They can always point this out to a judge and say this is what happens......... But you- legitimate seller - aren’t selling counterfeit Lego . Plus what QC does Lego provide from retired sets ? After a while one can argue it is the 3PS that provide that kind of service. Or just dump everything in bags and sell as like new ? Just stuff to consider, I’m in no way giving any legal advice here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcell Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said: But you- legitimate seller - aren’t selling counterfeit Lego . Plus what QC does Lego provide from retired sets ? After a while one can argue it is the 3PS that provide that kind of service. Or just dump everything in bags and sell as like new ? Just stuff to consider, I’m in no way giving any legal advice here But if you did not buy your product directly from the manufacturer, how can you be ***sure*** that what you're selling is legitimate, complete, and not counterfeit? When product is sourced from an authorized retailer like Walmart or Target, it seems like it should be legit, but there were those jokers selling the counterfeit modulars at xmas last year and we've all heard the stories about people returning sets after removing pieces. If someone was savvy enough to know that reselling Lego can be highly profitable, but not savvy enough to differentiate fake product from real product or identify sets that had been opened, you end up with counterfeit or incomplete products being sold to consumers. And if Lego does not differentiate between currently available products and retired products, it would likely be because every Lego product -- current or retired -- represents the Lego brand and a counterfeit or incomplete retired set can be just as damaging to a consumer's view of the brand as one that is new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricklectic Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said: But you- legitimate seller - aren’t selling counterfeit Lego . Plus what QC does Lego provide from retired sets ? After a while one can argue it is the 3PS that provide that kind of service. Or just dump everything in bags and sell as like new ? Just stuff to consider, I’m in no way giving any legal advice here Agreed. Just noting that the recent walmart saga is most unhelpful to the reselling community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladner Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 who is vorys working for? has the lego group contracted with vorys to seek out 3p sellers? or is vorys just harrassing 3p sellers trying to get them to stop selling by intimidation without any actual standing in the game so to speak (e.g. the brand they are threatening you over has not contracted with vorys to do so). if this is the case, then you can try to give them a taste of the sphincter tightening medicine by filing a breach of legal ethics with the bar that the lawyer threatening you is licensed from. this is taken very seriously and if they are threatening you without any merit, that might scare the crap out of them. if they have merit, it might just piss them off but still will be a shot across the bow from you so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricklectic Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, cladner said: who is vorys working for? Official letter said lego asked them to.... ive seen a picture of the letter and posted it on the other thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Twain Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Bricklectic said: Unfortunately, the recent Walmart saga of dozens of shady 3rd party sellers selling counterfeit lego lends credence to Vorys claims of lego having processes in place to vet sellers. They can always point this out to a judge and say this is what happens......... I really don't see how Lego can make such a claim when they allow anyone to sell their product on their own 3p marketplace in new or used condition and collect fees from the selling of said product. At no point do they limit selling on Bricklink nor do they ask 3p sellers to acknowledge a chain or custody for their product or prove in any way that it is authentic. They're fine with Bricklink as a self-policing community and appear happy to make money off of it. The legality of Lego suing a 3p seller under these circumstances for offering their product for sale on marketplace while allowing the same seller to open an account and sell the very same products on their own marketplace escapes me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
river41 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Bold-Arrow said: Welp, another piece to the puzzle. Vorys does follow up . blah 7 hours ago, Bold-Arrow said: Second letter that's not as nice .. Lol. is this from lego or from another brand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 13 hours ago, river41 said: is this from lego or from another brand ? Other brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasp Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Vorys sent me another letter Fedex overnight for Lego. Looks like they don't want to let go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Raichu Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, vasp said: Vorys sent me another letter Fedex overnight for Lego. Looks like they don't want to let go. What percentage of your inventory is QF new / non-retired sets ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted February 17, 2022 Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 When the time comes y’all better be ready to shell some $$$ to fund the fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold-Arrow Posted February 17, 2022 Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 In more interesting news, this thread is the first to big that comes up on google when you type Vorys and Lego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasp Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Darth_Raichu said: What percentage of your inventory is QF new / non-retired sets ? Less than 5%. Maybe I should just close all non-retired sets for a while. Those don't sell anyway at the prices desired to make some $ Edited February 17, 2022 by vasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
river41 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, vasp said: Vorys sent me another letter Fedex overnight for Lego. Looks like they don't want to let go. was it nastier then the first one ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcandre Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) https://amazonsellerslawyer.com/blog/receiving-vorys-law-firm-letter/ https://amazonsellerslawyer.com/blog/amazon-seller-suspended-lego-ip-complaint/ Firm seems to specialize in these Edited February 17, 2022 by marcandre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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