No Vorys; Be Happy

[exciter1]

2 hours ago, jgschmieg3 said:

I bought a ton of lego from the crazy SOB!

 

[brickolodon]

Fefaka'apa'apa'aki (Tonga)

[Bold-Arrow]

4 hours ago, brickolodon said:

Fefaka'apa'apa'aki (Tonga)

you can say that again 

[Bold-Arrow]

Things are heating up 

[Sfcommando14]

Things are heating up 

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[Bold-Arrow]

17 minutes ago, Sfcommando14 said:

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Yes there has been a tangible increase in letters this month 

[legorunner]

Do we have any new information about the types of sales recipients are making? IIRC the original recipient was QF current sets on Amazon - are these new letter targeting general buy and hold types as well? 

[redcell]

I checked the other day and they haven't yet filed any actual lawsuits over this.

[Bold-Arrow]

2 hours ago, legorunner said:

Do we have any new information about the types of sales recipients are making? IIRC the original recipient was QF current sets on Amazon - are these new letter targeting general buy and hold types as well? 

I will say this, Amazon will complain to the brand if you are constantly undercutting them as they want to know how someone is able to buy said items lower than them and still turn a profit. Since these items aren’t coming from the manufacturer the IP holder will then have their Watchdogs go after 3ps via those letters. They ( amazon, IP and watchdog ) have a set of complicated software to make this happen . 

[Darth_Raichu]

1 hour ago, Bold-Arrow said:

I will say this, Amazon will complain to the brand if you are constantly undercutting them as they want to know how someone is able to buy said items lower than them and still turn a profit. Since these items aren’t coming from the manufacturer the IP holder will then have their Watchdogs go after 3ps via those letters. They ( amazon, IP and watchdog ) have a set of complicated software to make this happen . 

Great to have monopoly of the market like Amazon.  If 3PS sell too low, Amazon can pressure the brands to squash the competitions, but if 3PS price the items too high Amazon will arbitrarily shut down those offers from the ASINs.

[Mark Twain]

I don’t see Amazon going after 3ps until the supply chain normalizes again. Opening the gates to 3ps hasn’t helped resellers in terms of pricing, but I think it’s clear that it helped Amazon keep its profits sky high.

I’m going to avoid QFLL sets for now—just not enough profit or volume to warrant the risk of getting lettered.


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[vasp]

14 hours ago, legorunner said:

Do we have any new information about the types of sales recipients are making? IIRC the original recipient was QF current sets on Amazon - are these new letter targeting general buy and hold types as well? 

I got one last week. Came via Fedex next day air.  I don't sell on walmart anymore, just amazon.  Last sale on walmart was more than a year ago. 

Edited January 30, 2022 by vasp

[Bricklectic]

34 minutes ago, vasp said:

I got one last week. Came via Fedex next day air.  I don't sell on walmart anymore, just amazon.  Last sale on walmart was more than a year ago. 

sorry to hear. do you qfll or buy / hold. Did you undercut amazons price

[Lordoflego]

Dang, I sold 90+ roses this year. Hope I’m safe but Easter is coming too   

[vasp]

57 minutes ago, Bricklectic said:

sorry to hear. do you qfll or buy / hold. Did you undercut amazons price

Always buy & hold. Not sure why people would undercut amazon prices. No, I don't.

Amazon doesn't normally sell the items I sell as they are already OOS.

[Lordoflego]

That is so very true…why the hell would someone undercut amazon? Is that your business model? 

[Bricklectic]

On the FB post someone commented that he has received dozens over the years from Vorys........and always throws them in the trash. Hopefully some clarity will arise when the dust settles if that is a viable option. Seems like others are retaining lawyers. Personally I only know of one person that got the letter - he was worried about ignoring and agreed 100% to their demands. I wonder how others are handling. This is definitely the number 1 threat to lego reselling since I began in 2016. 

[Banjoman]

Received the letter....sold about a good quantity over the last 3 months on Walmart.com, but nothing on Amazon.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Banjoman

[exciter1]

1 minute ago, Banjoman said:

Received the letter....sold about $140K over the last 3 months on Walmart.com, but nothing on Amazon.

That sucks, did you mix in sets going in and out of stock?

[Banjoman]

As in newer sets?  Yes, ones that were on the retiring lists but in and out

[Bold-Arrow]

Welp, another piece to the puzzle. Vorys does follow up . blah 

[legorunner]

10 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

Welp, another piece to the puzzle. Vorys does follow up . blah 

As in, a second letter, or actual legal action? 

[Bold-Arrow]

14 minutes ago, legorunner said:

As in, a second letter, or actual legal action? 

Second letter that's not as nice .. Lol. 

[legorunner]

Thanks for sharing. 

So, anyone have thoughts on why LEGO hasn't issued any public communication about this? It seems like a press release outlining their concerns about resellers and outlining a plan to pursue legal action would both play well with the average consumer AND save LEGO in legal fees as some/many folks voluntarily give up the game. 

[jbacunn]

49 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

Second letter that's not as nice .. Lol. 

The letter you got wasn't for Lego though right?