exciter1 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupIsHalfEmpty Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 5k damaged boxes....yeah sure. Who the hell is lego ambassador? Where ever you are getting this nonsense---doesn't need to spread here. Anybody can start a rumor on the internet--we are all here with fake names after all. I heard wave 5 is coming---and it's carrying a maersk ship, with 10,000 more crawlers. I heard this whole fiasco was a ruse by Lego to catch resellers. Lego have been buying them back through proxies worldwide for $400+ to get the names and addresses of the resellers---then they just reintroduce them back to the market at $200 retail. Pure genius! That is what I heard. This is where he got his information from http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/comment/210950#Comment_210950 If you belong to a LUG, one member of the group has access to the Ambassador forum where they can ask exactly those types of questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asharerin Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 5k damaged boxes....yeah sure. Who the hell is lego ambassador? Where ever you are getting this nonsense---doesn't need to spread here. Anybody can start a rumor on the internet--we are all here with fake names after all. I heard wave 5 is coming---and it's carrying a maersk ship, with 10,000 more crawlers. I heard this whole fiasco was a ruse by Lego to catch resellers. Lego have been buying them back through proxies worldwide for $400+ to get the names and addresses of the resellers---then they just reintroduce them back to the market at $200 retail. Pure genius! That is what I heard. http://aboutus.lego.com/en-us/lego-group/programs-and-visits/lego-ambassador The major lego boards all have access to the ambassadors and this information was released on 8/7. I don't ever recall an ambassador lying in the past but I suppose it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mos_Eisley Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Well the Lego Ambassador said 15k were sold during the first wave. 5k were shipped back to the factory due to damaged boxes and those were used to fill backorders and the second wave. We now have a third wave and you are mentioning a fourth. Things that make you go hmmmm. TLG doesn't generally share their production information with the public, so I'm not sure why they would tell Ambassadors this kind of info knowing that they would just pass it along to everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Mack Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Nobody really has a clue. There is no way to tell how many were sold or resold and resold again. Whatever the amount, I'm pretty sure there will be another release before XMAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_14 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Just got a Crawler from the Lego store. Total impulse buy, justified I'm sure as there was only one. Pristine box condition. Ironically I went to the store for the Christmas market and didn't even get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvasir Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asharerin Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Nobody really has a clue. There is no way to tell how many were sold or resold and resold again. Whatever the amount, I'm pretty sure there will be another release before XMAS. I am still working on this release! The storeroom at my LBR seems to have a never ending supply. It may well run into xmas. I am guessing the major resellers in my area were all banned as they would usually scoop these up before anyone else had a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafrog Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I am still working on this release! The storeroom at my LBR seems to have a never ending supply. It may well run into xmas. I am guessing the major resellers in my area were all banned as they would usually scoop these up before anyone else had a chance. Major resellers are not stopped by trifling things like being "banned". They don't get to be major resellers by giving up at the first sign of difficulty. If and when I can no longer get all the Lego I want with four household members/employees and four Lego stores in easy striking distance, I would be completely fine with sending other friends, family, or passing teenagers to buy for me for a $10 "thanks!" fee per large exclusive set, and/or multiple VIP accounts, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakinisvader Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I heard this whole fiasco was a ruse by Lego to catch resellers. Lego have been buying them back through proxies worldwide for $400+ to get the names and addresses of the resellers---then they just reintroduce them back to the market at $200 retail. Pure genius! That is what I heard. Send them my way. I'll sell them mine. They can have my address, phone number, DOB, SS#, A blood sample, a stool sample, a drug test and I'll even appear on either Maury Povich or Jerry Springer (but not both). I might be the father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickleboy Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 No way it's a ruse, if so they are the dumbest company ever... 1. You could just buy from anyone reseller on ebay/amazon/personal website and get the names and addresses at a fraction of the cost and effort. (I assume it takes a lot of work just to launch a set.) 2. At the prices these were going for there are a lot of COLLECTORS who sold b/c the price was just too good to pass up. 3. See point 1. 4. See point 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Has anyone considered that these waves weren't intentional, but rather an unintended consequence of extreme demand met only with typical distribution? I assume all 41999's were produced in the same factory and it seems unlikely that TLG would fly inventory internationally. So you have: manufacturing time + shipping prep time + travel to port + ship load + sailing time + ship offload + customs + travel to continental distribution center + inventory tracking + distribution planning + travel to rail yard or semi-truck loading + cross country travel + regional and local distribution + store receiving. I don't work in distribution logistics, but I've experienced first hand the time it can take to sail on a sizable ship to another continent, as well as the wrench customs can throw into a schedule. I think without the super high demand, this whole process is transparent to the customer. Of course if the 41999 is produced in multiple factories around the world in tandem then my theory is broken. If not, what do you guys think? A simple case of TLG not able to keep up? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinP Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Has anyone considered that these waves weren't intentional, but rather an unintended consequence of extreme demand met only with typical distribution? I assume all 41999's were produced in the same factory and it seems unlikely that TLG would fly inventory internationally. So you have: manufacturing time + shipping prep time + travel to port + ship load + sailing time + ship offload + customs + travel to continental distribution center + inventory tracking + distribution planning + travel to rail yard or semi-truck loading + cross country travel + regional and local distribution + store receiving. I don't work in distribution logistics, but I've experienced first hand the time it can take to sail on a sizable ship to another continent, as well as the wrench customs can throw into a schedule. I think without the super high demand, this whole process is transparent to the customer. Of course if the 41999 is produced in multiple factories around the world in tandem then my theory is broken. If not, what do you guys think? A simple case of TLG not able to keep up? That could be a very well factor of the multiple waves. It all depends on how fast some shipments arrive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowillsw Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Anybody remembered the old Vesta Wind Turbine 4999? I'm not sure if the set is as rare as this one. Maybe that set can help predict the value of this set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolos80 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Anybody remembered the old Vesta Wind Turbine 4999? I'm not sure if the set is as rare as this one. Maybe that set can help predict the value of this set? That is a very cool model. Sealed 41999s will never be so rare, but production runs are an unknown quantity... How many Unimogs are there? 100,000? 75,000? Does it matter, when we're comparing a Unimog to the Lego Technic Limited Edition 4x4 Crawler... 20,000 might be an average run for a $200 Technic set. But Future Buyer didn't know it existed during the five months it retailed. The truncated time window trumps any concern over rarity. And rarity can only be judged by the secondary market; if it's not for sale, it doesn't exist, really. So all the people sleeping on crawler futons are comfy, and they'll all wake up sporadically. After this next wave passes, there will never be as many sealed sets for sale again. And if you're reading this and you don't have one, you know you want one. And if you had $400 I bet you'd get one. You hope it stays at $400 for as long as it possibly can. That's why it won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 No way it's a ruse, if so they are the dumbest company ever... 1. You could just buy from anyone reseller on ebay/amazon/personal website and get the names and addresses at a fraction of the cost and effort. (I assume it takes a lot of work just to launch a set.) 2. At the prices these were going for there are a lot of COLLECTORS who sold b/c the price was just too good to pass up. 3. See point 1. 4. See point 2. Lol. I love the emphasis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asharerin Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 My LBR finally ran out. Eagerly awaiting for another wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinP Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Anybody remembered the old Vesta Wind Turbine 4999? I'm not sure if the set is as rare as this one. Maybe that set can help predict the value of this set? I remember that set. I saw it in a museum a while ago. Now, it is a valuable set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TabbyBoy Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 To put things into perspective, I was told that 230,000 Unimogs have been made so far and the machines are still rolling at full speed. It's from a friend's wife in Legoland so I take it with a pinch of salt. I'm thinking much more than that are out there. To be honest, I think 20,000 is a tiny amount and the 41999 is worth it's weight in Rhodium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNotInsertIntoMouth Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 To put things into perspective, I was told that 230,000 Unimogs have been made so far and the machines are still rolling at full speed. It's from a friend's wife in Legoland so I take it with a pinch of salt. I'm thinking much more than that are out there. To be honest, I think 20,000 is a tiny amount and the 41999 is worth it's weight in Rhodium. I heard though that more Rhodium was made than was initially promised, which could bring its value down. Someone should start a class action lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TabbyBoy Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I have a Troy ounce Rhodium ingot that I bought in Dubai back in 1989 for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr3681 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I am confused. Did Mark get banned? If so that seems insane to me. He literally just joined today. A ton of people on this very site asked him to join and have been dealing with him. He probably assumed he should ask about selling and stuff here based on that. Talk about being a horrible neighbor if that's what just happened. The guy who is clearly a big time Lego investor is now banned from the Lego investing board? I don't get it. Maybe you guys are referring to someone else and if so that's cool. If it's Mark I really think this could have been handled better. banned and now back, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boliramirez Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 banned and now back, Rise from the death... Welcome back !! Got crawlers? Hahaha.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr3681 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I am trying to play catch up with the Lego Winter Village sets. I have this Technic set that I would like to use as a possible trade. I am in need of the Winter Village Toy Shop but know that this set can be found on Ebay between $200 - $250. Would it be fair to ask for the Toy Shop and then another set from this series, preferably either the Winter Village Bakery or the Post Office? Thank you for your replies. Ive got the winter village bakey 10216 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
river41 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 banned and now back, but it looks like no access to pm's.Am I correct in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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