Star Wars: Rebels

[Brickalicious]

2 hours ago, c_rpg said:

We know The Ghost is still flying during the battle of Scarif, but we don't know for sure if it's still manned by the same people. We also don't know what happens to them during or after the battle. Perhaps they'll have a final encounter with Vader at some point or perish during a battle.

Recall that during Rogue One, prior to the battle involving the Ghost, the overhead speakers paged General Syndulla.  Either the captain got promoted or there is another rebel with the same surname, and the only surname we've heard repeated in the series so far is 'Skywalker.'

It's darkly themed, but it is a kid's/tweeners network, so I don't know that we would actually witness the character deaths, but something happens that takes our known Jedi off the map before Kenobi connects with Luke.  It's also never addressed in Empire or RotJ when Lando encounters Luke, and Leia - who has met the rebels - never mentions it to Luke, either.  

My hope is that Ezra, needing to overcome the pull of the dark side, is brought by Kanan to the Bendu for further learning about the balance of the Force and that a disenfranchised Asoka is able to find her way to them.  Happy ending: a new school learning the Force without the influence of Light side / Dark side that either absorbs or repels people.  Gray Force FTW.

[thoroakenfelder]

I always wonder how anyone can say with any certainty that all Jedi are dead, or even that kanan and Ezra are considered Jedi by yoda or obi wan. The fact that there are inquisitors running around indicates that the empire is uncertain. Obi-Wan and Yoda are known for cagey answers that manipulate Luke into doing what they want.

 

Obi-Wan never said that they were all dead, he said "Now the Jedi are all but extinct." Close enough for government work, but definitely not nonexistent. Add to the fact that Jedi and Sith apparently can't pick out someone strong in the force when they are looking them in the face.

[Brickalicious]

2 minutes ago, thoroakenfelder said:

I always wonder how anyone can say with any certainty that all Jedi are dead, or even that kanan and Ezra are considered Jedi by yoda or obi wan. The fact that there are inquisitors running around indicates that the empire is uncertain. Obi-Wan and Yoda are known for cagey answers that manipulate Luke into doing what they want.

 

Obi-Wan never said that they were all dead, he said "Now the Jedi are all but extinct." Close enough for government work, but definitely not nonexistent. Add to the fact that Jedi and Sith apparently can't pick out someone strong in the force when they are looking them in the face.

I haven't read all the comics, novels, graphic novels, teen books, kid's books, etc to know all the details, but the Jedi purge was not complete.  We know at least that Quinlan Vos survived and even had kids, and how many Knights and Padawans were away from the temple on one-off missions, not all of which would have required clone escorts?  Given any warning at all, any of the Jedi could use mind manipulation on the clones that later showed up to find them and lived comfortably for a long while, especially in the outer rim.

I would also assume that Jedi would be able to live relatively normal lives free of suspicion if they suppress their use of lightsabers and use them only in situations where they know there will be no witnesses or people willing to turn them in.  You can fight in normal clothing using mental manipulation, force pushing, and other techniques without drawing attention on holovids by wearing voluminous robes and waving around a burning blade.

I do have a few of the graphic novels, and recall some of them explicitly showing Jedi going to the temple and seeing hopeless odds, so they melted back into the crowds of Coruscant.  Perhaps the order still has pockets of relatively minor devotees in loose affiliation with each other, or maybe they all went separate ways and severed communication.  The only ones we really see die in RotS are the masters on the council; it's implied that all the Jedi had their clone escorts turn on them.

Back to the topic: Rebels.  It's not inconceivable that Kanan and Ezra, knowing the draw that Force users exude on other Force users, would use mind manipulation to erase memories of their rebel friends and retreat to a remote location away from the Galactic Civil War to help their friends evade detection.  Maybe after the Battle of Scarif, the Ghost crew went to help Sabine take control of Mandalore and use that army's might to help free another sector of the galaxy, but the Emporer and Vader were so obsessed with Skywalker that they didn't spare a thought to that conflict.  Wouldn't that be a fun adventure: Sabine and Mandalore in league with our rebel crew trying to stage an uprising in a large area to which Thrawn has been dispatched.  Thrawn's capacity for strategy and analysis vs. Mandalorian ferocity?  Yes, please.

[Alpinemaps]

1 hour ago, Brickalicious said:

I would also assume that Jedi would be able to live relatively normal lives free of suspicion if they suppress their use of lightsabers and use them only in situations where they know there will be no witnesses or people willing to turn them in.  You can fight in normal clothing using mental manipulation, force pushing, and other techniques without drawing attention on holovids by wearing voluminous robes and waving around a burning blade.

And as we've learned in TFA and R1, there are a couple of different religions that surround the Jedi.  It's entirely possible for Jedi to have been taken in by a variety of different sects for protection.

[Darth_Raichu]

1 hour ago, Brickalicious said:

I would also assume that Jedi would be able to live relatively normal lives free of suspicion if they suppress their use of lightsabers and use them only in situations where they know there will be no witnesses or people willing to turn them in.  You can fight in normal clothing using mental manipulation, force pushing, and other techniques without drawing attention on holovids by wearing voluminous robes and waving around a burning blade.

It was established in season 1 that Kanan only used his lightsaber in emergency situation, more or less until the middle of season 1.  So it was possible for the Jedi / force wielders to lay low

1 hour ago, Brickalicious said:

Back to the topic: Rebels.  It's not inconceivable that Kanan and Ezra, knowing the draw that Force users exude on other Force users, would use mind manipulation to erase memories of their rebel friends and retreat to a remote location away from the Galactic Civil War to help their friends evade detection.

I do not know if I would go with mind wipe / manipulation.  Either way, they would need a very powerful Force mcguffin to alter strong minds like Leia

[Brickalicious]

On 3/7/2017 at 1:00 PM, Darth_Raichu said:

It was established in season 1 that Kanan only used his lightsaber in emergency situation, more or less until the middle of season 1.  So it was possible for the Jedi / force wielders to lay low

Currently reading the novel A New Dawn, which covers some of Kanan's back story, including how he met Hera. There are some excellent notes about how he went on the lam, avoiding notice and making his best efforts not to use the Force. Plausible that other Jedi use similar techniques to survive.

[jaisonline]

Another quality Rebels episode.  Just wish the 3rd act was longer.   The final showdown reminded me of the ROTLA's Cairo's Swordsman scene in terms of pacing.

[Alpinemaps]

I ignored that I'm 27 episodes behind and watched this one. Good episode.

[exciter1]

We'll watch tonight!

[Darth_Raichu]

Three letters: WOW

9 hours ago, jaisonline said:

Another quality Rebels episode.  Just wish the 3rd act was longer.   The final showdown reminded me of the ROTLA's Cairo's Swordsman scene in terms of pacing.

That was very samurai like fighting.  He figured out the weakness of dual blades.

[Alpinemaps]

Voicing was excellent in this episode. Thought they did a great job reconciling Ezra and Luke existing and not tipping their hand with Ezra's fate. Left it open. I got the feeling Ezra isn't the first Jedi to visit Ben. Ben is hyper focused on Luke. He's the only solution to the Vader problem.

So, makes me wonder. When Yoda says, "no, there is another" - it's not Leia and I don't believe it's Ezra. Makes me lean even more toward Rey.

[Darth_Raichu]

59 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

Voicing was excellent in this episode.

Yeah, when Obi Wan was talking to Ezra he sounded like Uncle Ben from ANH as supposed to General Kenobi from CW (which I never liked  )

 

[exciter1]

2 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Yeah, when Obi Wan was talking to Ezra he sounded like Uncle Ben from ANH as supposed to General Kenobi from CW (which I never liked  )

 

No kidding, that was great.  Hard not to get choked up at the end.

[mudcatsfan]

19 minutes ago, exciter1 said:

No kidding, that was great.  Hard not to get choked up at the end.

That music...........

Glad I'm not the only one who felt that way.

[Darth_Raichu]

Behind the scene vid.  Beware there is a preview of next week finale at the end.  Great scenes but obviously spoiler-y

 

[California92563]

Luuuuuuuke!!!!!!

[jonnyhanukkah]

Hey maybe we will finally get an Aunt Beru Lego with the next wave of Rebels sets! Hahaha

[mudcatsfan]

I think I just stumbled onto Dave Filoni's next animated series;

 

 

[brickbuilder77]

Just caught up on this. Its is a better series than I expected and Chopper is brilliant.

[jaisonline]

Another quality Rebels season finale.

While the plot was "so so" in my opinion, the space battle action  more than made up for it.  

Some comments w/o spoiling it.

• It was surprising how some characters' fate ended up.  
• At least the Bindu finally did something other than talk in riddles. 
• So Yavin is the next base?  I thought Dantooine was before Yavin... 
• still no b- wings? Where are the b-wings?

 

[Lego Templar]

App must be acting up shows no one commented on thread for 6 days.

Honestly I thought it was a bit lackluster. Some previous episodes i enjoyed a lot more. Curious how far this is going to go. If it's a day by day thing they could milk it for a few more seasons.

Was expecting more. How they took out that one ship with 3-4 people just was not believable... the show is 180 from the first season so let's hope it continues to get better.

[California92563]

1 hour ago, Lego Templar said:

App must be acting up shows no one commented on thread for 6 days.

Honestly I thought it was a bit lackluster. Some previous episodes i enjoyed a lot more. Curious how far this is going to go. If it's a day by day thing they could milk it for a few more seasons.

Was expecting more. How they took out that one ship with 3-4 people just was not believable... the show is 180 from the first season so let's hope it continues to get better.

I agree the episode as a whole was lacking. The bendu thing was kinda corny. 

[Darth_Raichu]

11 hours ago, Lego Templar said:

Was expecting more. How they took out that one ship with 3-4 people just was not believable... the show is 180 from the first season so let's hope it continues to get better.

They did not take out a ship, only a generator that blocked hyperspace jumping.  The ship was actually intact in the background as Ezra was clutching to his own ship.

I did not realize how much bigger Maul's old ship compared to regular Mandalorian fighters.  It was basically a transport big enough to have to hold 10-20 troops

9 hours ago, California92563 said:

I agree the episode as a whole was lacking. The bendu thing was kinda corny. 

I thought the Bendu thing was fair.  He wanted Kanan & the base off his planet the first time we saw him, now he just wanted everyone off his planet.  I was afraid they would make him to be all powerful being that could wipe out everyone on the planet.  Getting him shot down by a couple of AT-ATs made him look a bit vulnerable.

I liked how the Mandalorian did not / could not send the cavalry to help, just enough ships and troops.  A fleet of Mandalorians to save the day would have been too corny and unbelievable given their state in the previous episodes.

[California92563]

2 hours ago, Darth_Raichu said:

They did not take out a ship, only a generator that blocked hyperspace jumping.  The ship was actually intact in the background as Ezra was clutching to his own ship.

I did not realize how much bigger Maul's old ship compared to regular Mandalorian fighters.  It was basically a transport big enough to have to hold 10-20 troops

I thought the Bendu thing was fair.  He wanted Kanan & the base off his planet the first time we saw him, now he just wanted everyone off his planet.  I was afraid they would make him to be all powerful being that could wipe out everyone on the planet.  Getting him shot down by a couple of AT-ATs made him look a bit vulnerable.

I liked how the Mandalorian did not / could not send the cavalry to help, just enough ships and troops.  A fleet of Mandalorians to save the day would have been too corny and unbelievable given their state in the previous episodes.

Yeah I liked how the didn't wanna take sides and wanted everyone gone. I just found the whole storm thing to be a bit out there. 

[Darth_Raichu]

50 minutes ago, California92563 said:

Yeah I liked how the didn't wanna take sides and wanted everyone gone. I just found the whole storm thing to be a bit out there. 

What else could Bendu have done? Thrawn technically still beat Bendu even with cloud and storm