Brick Wars - Anyone outside Germany taking notice?

[Frank Brickowski]

24 minutes ago, citymorgue said:

You are conflating one segment of a market to an entire global market.  It's still a ridiculously small segment compared to the global reach of Lego as a whole.  I've seen different people over the years predict doom and gloom for Lego in various ways, but yet, here we are, and Lego still absolutely crushes it year over year.

You are taking a couple of youtube channels and without any evidence equating it to some major shift in global views on what Lego is doing.  You got to remember, this is the internet, and outrage culture always gets amplified.  That does not mean that it will spell the end of Lego as we know it.

People have always been critical of Lego.  Always... Yet, people still go out and buy up Lego.  I just have my doubts that it will make any significant changes in the market.

You sit here and say Lego is already in trouble in Germany.  Please provide hard evidence that this is the case.  Otherwise, you're just being hyperbolic and no one will take you seriously.

I think I've said pretty much everything I can over the NINE pages of this topic already. Please just read - and please do it properly. It's somewhat unbelievable what I've experienced here: I opened this thread to make people aware of what is going on in the German market right now - you COULD read this as a kind of advance warning investors might want to consider because it will be about their money. Instead nearly all of you only stuck to defending EVERYTHING LEGO is doing. LEGO is always right. The others are all illegal and always wrong. I'll say it once again: This was an advance warning. Feel free to ignore it completely. Ignorance is bliss - unless there's money involved of course. But none of you really seem to care anyway.

[BricksBrotha]

On 2/9/2021 at 12:46 PM, Frank Brickowski said:

 

Trying to see through all the name calling and desperation, I can almost, kinda get what Franks talking about here.(minus the murky marketing decisions by Xingboa)  Im sure these events shown havent helped LEGO PR in recent years.  Mix in the terrible website infrastructure, high cost and pension for helicopters, we have all been baffled by decisions made in Billund over the years at one time or another.  But we come from generations where working was a good thing. Today, work is frowned upon. Not one wants to work a 'job' and be told 'what to do'. They would rather be influencers on social media, traveling in a renovated school bus and making tik tok videos. 

In todays day in age, pissing off someone can turn out they dedicate their life just to take you down. Even if that means they are left with nothing, even life.   Cancel culture in its finest. 

And it appears Lego has a grassroots movement within Deutschland from ex"fanboys" trying to 'Cancel' them.  

Well @Frank Brickowski, I say good. Go at them with the sharpest pitchfork you have.

Again, this will theoretically be good for the market and customers.  How that looks, none of us can say. 

Edited February 11, 2021 by BricksBrotha
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[BricksBrotha]

7 minutes ago, Frank Brickowski said:

It's somewhat unbelievable what I've experienced here: 

If you cant believe the responses you have gotten, then you my friend have no clue how the human brain functions. 

If you were truly passionate about your cause and truly wanted to educate, then its all about your APPROACH.

The APPROACH (emotional and desperate) you took will invoke the same response 99.99% of the time.  This should not be unbelievable or shocking. Actually, scientifically predictable.   

[Fcbarcelona101]

Ultimately, I think the major conclusion for this topic is that we will have to wait and see within the next couple of years how much of an impact this really has on LEGO, if any (on a large scale at least).  

[Frank Brickowski]

4 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

If you cant believe the responses you have gotten, then you my friend have no clue how the human brain functions. 

If you were truly passionate about your cause and truly wanted to educate, then its all about your APPROACH.

The APPROACH (emotional and desperate) you took will invoke the same response 99.99% of the time.  This should not be unbelievable or shocking. Actually, scientifically predictable.   

Why is that? Why is it about the approach and not solely about the arguments? I mean I get it's about the approach when dealing with a 6-year old. But I thought we were all grown-ups here able to focus on the actual arguments.

2 minutes ago, Fcbarcelona101 said:

Ultimately, I think the major conclusion for this topic is that we will have to wait and see within the next couple of years how much of an impact this really has on LEGO, if any (on a large scale at least).  

That's pretty much my conclusion, too. Thanks.

[citymorgue]

Just now, Frank Brickowski said:

Why is that? Why is it about the approach and not solely about the arguments? I mean I get it's about the approach when dealing with a 6-year old. But I thought we were all grown-ups here able to focus on the actual arguments.

You came in all hot from the mountain tops yelling about how Lego is going to implode on itself.  Attacking all of us as 'Lego fanboys' who will supposedly think Lego is perfect is completely wrong.  That's why you are getting so much pushback.  There's nothing wrong with a healthy discussion, but that's not what is happening from you.

And your arguments are weak right now, because you have provided 0 data/evidence to back up your claims, other than some youtube channels.  Not exactly a strong starting point to come to a Lego investing site.  If you just came in wanting a discussion about what people though about these brands expanding, that would be one thing.  But you haven't done that, you just straight started spouting 'facts' that Lego is going to die and that these off brand brick companies are going to take over the world with nothing.

[Frank Brickowski]

2 minutes ago, citymorgue said:

You came in all hot from the mountain tops yelling about how Lego is going to implode on itself.  Attacking all of us as 'Lego fanboys' who will supposedly think Lego is perfect is completely wrong. 

Wrong. Look at how this thread started and how user after user joined in argueing against me claiming I was completely wrong about everything or that I was only trying to promote illegal brands.

The term "fanboys" was only used later on as more and more of you turned out to actually be just that, saying LEGO is always right and never ever have they done anything wrong. That's fanboy talk.
  

2 minutes ago, citymorgue said:

And your arguments are weak right now, because you have provided 0 data/evidence to back up your claims, other than some youtube channels.  Not exactly a strong starting point to come to a Lego investing site.  If you just came in wanting a discussion about what people though about these brands expanding, that would be one thing.  But you haven't done that, you just straight started spouting 'facts' that Lego is going to die and that these off brand brick companies are going to take over the world with nothing.

I've written about the data thing about a hundred times now. There IS no market DATA at the moment because all of this has only started in 2020 earliest. I'm talking about a trend, a shift in perception of the LEGO brand, a quickly rising dislike for LEGO, a loss of reputation that will likely translate into a loss of market share - to be seen IN FUTURE DATA! I cannot provide data from the future actually, so what are you talking about? What DATA should I provide to prove what the "atmosphere" in the German brick community is like right now? I'm trying to give you an insight into events you would normally never take notice of, but that could become very relevant for all markets sooner or later. 

[spener90]

7 minutes ago, Frank Brickowski said:

Wrong.

[roxio]

Well I guess from my amount of posts on thread I'm one of the lego fan boys? Can you quote where I've said lego is always right and never wrong?

Of course they get things wrong, every company does. 

And the legal monies AFOB are demanding raised from crowd funding, thats relatively easy to set up, so as a main AFOB drumbeater you can do that yourself, no?

And does anyone have detail on the classic NY ambulance (ecto) ? Why did bluebrixx take it down? Were they forced to?

Edited February 11, 2021 by roxio

[Phil B]

The biggest problem I have with all of this is that 4-5 years ago this forum was all in a tiff over the rise of L-PIN and other blatant bootleggers. There was a lot of doom and gloom then.

Now, 5 years later, those copycats have not disappeared, but at least where I am their impact to LEGO and LEGO reselling has been minimal.

I see no indications that the situation outlined by Frank is any different. A lot of panic and huffing and puffing, but this too shall pass.

[Alpinemaps]

I think I've said pretty much everything I can over the NINE pages of this topic already.

This sums it up well. There really isn’t anything more to say on this topic at this point, that hasn’t already been said.

It’s getting hot in here, with no new ground to cover, so I’m locking the thread for now.