COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[exciter1]

Soon we'll be letting the trough of justice decide.

[fuzzy_bricks]

26 minutes ago, junkrigger said:

Doctors already save other doctors first because then said saved doctor can save more lives. It’s basic logic and I challenge you to find a better way. These methods have been developed over many years again based on the scientific method always and if you don’t like it I encourage you to start your own hospital research teaching facility and show us a better way. More hospitals doctors and research facilities is something I always support and encourage and willing to pay for.


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But what if that doctor didn't take the vaccine because they were hesitant of the side effects.  Are they worth saving?

 

[junkrigger]

Soon we'll be letting the trough of justice decide.

This made me laugh and remember how lucky we are to have the scientific method, it drives home the point of how important the scientific method is and how much it’s seemingly so simplistic algorithm has brought about all the amazing science we now enjoy and rely on everyday. It’s absolutely amazing that in what only 200 years we went from ^this to what we have today. It will be truly amazing to see what the future will bring but also sad to imagine what it could be today if we had spent more resources on science instead of things probably to political to mention. Think 20 years playing only 10 days to throw it all away.


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[Mathew]

19 minutes ago, junkrigger said:

This made me laugh and remember how lucky we are to have the scientific method, it drives home the point of how important the scientific method is and how much it’s seemingly so simplistic algorithm has brought about all the amazing science we now enjoy and rely on everyday. It’s absolutely amazing that in what only 200 years we went from ^this to what we have today. It will be truly amazing to see what the future will bring but also sad to imagine what it could be today if we had spent more resources on science instead of things probably to political to mention. Think 20 years playing only 10 days to throw it all away.


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Nonsense.  The “science” that the well funded experts are pushing changes by the hour and according to their agendas.  They create the mass chaos and pass the blame so that they keep us divided. 

[House Schubert]

12 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Nonsense.  The “science” that the well funded experts are pushing changes by the hour and according to their agendas.  They create the mass chaos and pass the blame so that they keep us divided. 

the world is changing scary fast, and you don't understand it.  We get it. I have empathy with your stress.  It is difficult to exist in a system that is this complex.  But, don't be so afraid. Everyone isn't out to get you.

 

[Mathew]

8 minutes ago, House Schubert said:

the world is changing scary fast, and you don't understand it.  We get it. I have empathy with your stress.  It is difficult to exist in a system that is this complex.  But, don't be so afraid. Everyone isn't out to get you.

 

. “...you don’t understand it...” 🥴🤦🤐🖕

Edited August 20, 2021 by Mathew

[CosmicSpeed]

13 hours ago, gmpirate said:

"Free Time"?  What's that?

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's just now it feels like since we are at home, we just keep doing more and more stuff to fill what once was "free" or downtime spent at the office, as with pretty much everyone over the last year. I do find, that I get bored with some of my activities and find myself moving from different things, just to keep my mind distracted, so doing home improvement really helps. We have a partially unfinished basement that I keep my collection in (climate controlled, insulation) but that involved the much larger task of moving and protecting all of those things while we finish wiring and add drywall and whatever floor covering we would want to go with to cover the concrete. Its so close, just have to bring myself to DO IT.

[Darth_Raichu]

23 minutes ago, CosmicSpeed said:

Its so close, just have to bring myself to DO IT.

That's what I said about cleaning my basement full of LEGO boxes. Seven years later I am still saying the same thing...

[lazuli16]

55 minutes ago, Mathew said:

The “science” that the well funded experts are pushing changes by the hour

I just want to point out that change is usually how science works, otherwise we'd still hold on to the belief that the sun revolves around the earth. 

[jaisonline]

Throughout history people have been trying to convince others change.  Just ask married people.
 

People rarely change and if they do, the cause is usually due to a personal event & not online posted content. 

[Mathew]

33 minutes ago, lazuli16 said:

I just want to point out that change is usually how science works, otherwise we'd still hold on to the belief that the sun revolves around the earth. 

Change based on what?  Who controls things. They have you convinced that all humans, especially the unvaccinated, are biohazards . Sheer insanity. 

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[bigboy61]

I think we should all just let people do what they want to do regarding this virus stuff.

 

If they don't want the vaccine, let them not get it and stop harassing them. If they don't want to wear a mask, just leave them alone.

 

On the flip side, if you want the vaccine, go for it. If you want to wear a mask, you're more than welcome to.

 

People shouldn't be harassing people with or without masks or with or without the vaccine. It's their personal decision, and it should be made solely by them. The reason why someone made their decision shouldn't even matter as none of us are in a place to question people's motives or reasoning.

 

I think it would help everyone if we just minded our own business and let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do. 

[junkrigger]

Throughout history people have been trying to convince others change.  Just ask married people.
 
People rarely change and if they do, the cause is usually due to a personal event & not online posted content. 

You of all people here probably have the most knowledge and clout on this subject, I am amazed by your stoicism.


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[Darth_Raichu]

13 minutes ago, lazuli16 said:

I just want to point out that change is usually how science works, otherwise we'd still hold on to the belief that the sun revolves around the earth. 

Change AFTER a period of time spent to test the hypothesis.  Just like in computer programming, a theory / a program that is released without appropriate testing is going to lead to chaos.

Applying this to the Covid vaccine and trusting the experts.  The FDA (experts) say vaccines need go under several phases of tests to be declared safe which can take years to accomplish.  Yet the Covid vaccine was developed and tested in under 6 months.  Either FDA is BS-ing about the length of trials or the vaccine did not go through the same required rigorous testing.  At which point, FDA need to come out and say their testing requirements are BS (ie. 3 months of test is good) or the vaccine manufacturers need to say vaccine is only <insert percentage lower than 99 here> safe for humans due to lack of testing.

 

[jaisonline]

9 minutes ago, junkrigger said:

You of all people here probably have the most knowledge and clout on this subject, I am amazed by your stoicism.


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Exactly.  That is why I’m not on my here on a soapbox wasting my time. 

3 family members of various ages have already died of COVID (1 of them was 61 years old, healthy & very close to me).  We talked after he tested positive.  He didn’t believe in the seriousness of COVID & vaccines until it was too late.

I learned in college that most  folks won’t change their beliefs.  The more you try, the more they won’t just to spite people

[gmpirate]

3 hours ago, SpaceFan9 said:

Alternatively, should treatment be dependent on immigration status? And if the illegals are also un-jabbed, does that mean they are 3rd in line?

#covid1984 

 

Follow the science.  Illegals are immune to the virus and does not spread in mob settings.

[elmaslıefendi]

43 minutes ago, lazuli16 said:

I just want to point out that change is usually how science works, otherwise we'd still hold on to the belief that the sun revolves around the earth. 

Then maybe government shouldn't act like it's a definitive one way method of dealing with the pandemic. Oh wait, nevermind, that's exactly what they're doing. 

Not even following their own rules, as rules change on a weekly basis. Mask, no mask, vaccine, no vaccine, travel, no travel. At one point you have to admit they have no idea what they're doing.

[Gonkalin]

3 minutes ago, bigboy61 said:

I think we should all just let people do what they want to do regarding this virus stuff.

 

If they don't want the vaccine, let them not get it and stop harassing them. If they don't want to wear a mask, just leave them alone.

 

On the flip side, if you want the vaccine, go for it. If you want to wear a mask, you're more than welcome to.

 

People shouldn't be harassing people with or without masks or with or without the vaccine. It's their personal decision, and it should be made solely by them. The reason why someone made their decision shouldn't even matter as none of us are in a place to question people's motives or reasoning.

 

I think it would help everyone if we just minded our own business and let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do. 

Except that this is a public global health issue. Not just a personal health issue. I'm vaccinated as well as my whole family. My daughter just went back to college this week. Day one of school... 2 hours after her first class... she gets a text from the college that she was in direct contact with someone with Covid that was in her class that she was hugging on. Now she has to be extra safe (mask/distance, etc) and get tested (3 days later...she was negative...got test results yesterday). So the behavior of others does affect the community as a whole. And I agree no one should be harassing anyone. Period. Because, to your point, we don't know exactly why someone isn't vaccinated or not wearing a mask.

[junkrigger]

I think we should all just let people do what they want to do regarding this virus stuff.
 
If they don't want the vaccine, let them not get it and stop harassing them. If they don't want to wear a mask, just leave them alone.
 
On the flip side, if you want the vaccine, go for it. If you want to wear a mask, you're more than welcome to.
 
People shouldn't be harassing people with or without masks or with or without the vaccine. It's their personal decision, and it should be made solely by them. The reason why someone made their decision shouldn't even matter as none of us are in a place to question people's motives or reasoning.
 
I think it would help everyone if we just minded our own business and let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do. 

Unfortunately this just doesn’t work in a collective society where one persons actions affect many. It’s obviously why we have all the laws and regulations we do. Everything from building codes to speed limits are due to the fact that one persons actions can severely affect or endanger others, it’s quite simple. The issue is that we are getting to a place that decisions will have to be made about who gets medical care and that is a terrible spot to put people in. What happens when a whole family get into a car accident and children mothers, fathers all need ICU care but all the ICU beds are filled with people who didn’t want to get vaccinated by personal choice, I don’t think I could live with myself if I caused this. This is projected to be a reality by mid September in many places. I sincerely hope it does not!


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[iahawks550]

I am fairly certain that colleges deciding to go virtual will wait until after all the kids get into their dorms. They need that revenue stream. 

[junkrigger]

Exactly.  That is why I’m not on my here on a soapbox wasting my time. 
3 family members of various ages have already died of COVID (1 of them was 61 years old, healthy & very close to me).  We talked after he tested positive.  He didn’t believe in the seriousness of COVID & vaccines until it was too late.
I learned in college that most  folks won’t change their beliefs.  The more you try, the more they won’t just to spite people

I am so very sorry to hear this. No words even matter in such circumstances, however personal experiences shared as you have done make a difference. It takes a lot of courage to tell those but I truly believe it does make a difference.


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[$20 on joe vs dan]

50 minutes ago, jaisonline said:

 

People rarely change and if they do, the cause is usually due to a personal event & not online posted content. 

You'd be surprised at what regular/daily exposure to "online posted content" can do to a person or a society or a state or a nation, or the world

[Mathew]

33 minutes ago, jaisonline said:

Exactly.  That is why I’m not on my here on a soapbox wasting my time. 

3 family members of various ages have already died of COVID (1 of them was 61 years old, healthy & very close to me).  We talked after he tested positive.  He didn’t believe in the seriousness of COVID & vaccines until it was too late.

I learned in college that most  folks won’t change their beliefs.  The more you try, the more they won’t just to spite people

Sorry to hear about you losses.  However you seem very matter of the fact about losing three family members to covid. 

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45 minutes ago, bigboy61 said:

I think we should all just let people do what they want to do regarding this virus stuff.

 

If they don't want the vaccine, let them not get it and stop harassing them. If they don't want to wear a mask, just leave them alone.

 

On the flip side, if you want the vaccine, go for it. If you want to wear a mask, you're more than welcome to.

 

People shouldn't be harassing people with or without masks or with or without the vaccine. It's their personal decision, and it should be made solely by them. The reason why someone made their decision shouldn't even matter as none of us are in a place to question people's motives or reasoning.

 

I think it would help everyone if we just minded our own business and let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do. 

this kind of thinking is wrong for a pandemic; which replies on communities and governments working together.  Let's say CV is as dangerous as EBOLA; would ANYONE disagree about wearing masks or getting vaccinated?  Ofcourse not.  But it's like EBOLA to the sensitive populations in our communities...if the communities and governments can come together for Ebola then it should also come together for Covid. Unless the rule of law should be Survival of the fittest.

simple example: a clerk is immuno-compromised is now burdened to BE THE ONE to require a customer to to mask up (and we've all seen what can happen next).

or should it be the manager's job?

or the store owner?

or the City Health folks

or the County Health folks

or the State health folks

or the federal health folks

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39 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

Then maybe government shouldn't act like it's a definitive one way method of dealing with the pandemic. Oh wait, nevermind, that's exactly what they're doing. 

Not even following their own rules, as rules change on a weekly basis. Mask, no mask, vaccine, no vaccine, travel, no travel. At one point you have to admit they have no idea what they're doing.

can No ONE understand that a pandemic is DYNAMIC?

saying that officials changed their minds as the basis for how uncertain they are is daff.

there is a time and place for everything...but conditions change

It's actually much more dangerous to pick a plan and stick to it despite evolving data to the contrary...is THIS what everyone wants...a simple message that never changes despite information to the contrary?