COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[BricksBrotha]

40 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Biggest complaint of all are liberals who blame the little guy for everything wrong in the world and not those who are actually causing it. 

So, you don't wear your seatbelt?

[$20 on joe vs dan]

51 minutes ago, TANV said:

This seems like an example of bad faith arguments coupled with tin-foil hats, trolling, and sheer paranoia. Whatever happened to complaining about other things like massive heat waves, desertification, droughts or how they never give you enough ketchup packets at drive thrus?

IN & Out asks if I want condiments; but then gives me waaaay too much...I ordered 3 fries...I get why they are bagged nowadays..but what yahoos uses like 3 ketchup packets for a single order of fries and has caused that metric to rule for all drive-thrus?

I get it...they need to make the exchange as efficient as possible but I have ketchup packets over-flowing all my van compartments (cuz I can't get myself to simply throw them away and it's not like they will take it back)

...and yes, it's my fault because I instinctually reply "yes' when asked if I want condiments...(damn this cheap-ass conditioning)

[Mathew]

14 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

So, you don't wear your seatbelt?

Oh man. Using a seat belt analogy.  I wear a seat belt because it’s proven to provide protection for most (not all) accidents.  A mask has not been proven to keep you from getting covid. 
If the FDA could even provide an approved mask type that prevented covid spread and contamination that would be a start.  Wait  they haven’t even approved a single covid vaccine 🥴

If masks were so effective for protecting from viruses then why did virtually no one (aside from regions in Asian countries) wear them prior to covid? And no I’m not counting Michael Jackson and his clan. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by Mathew

[BricksBrotha]

7 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Oh man. Using a seat belt analogy.  I wear a seat belt because it’s proven to provide protection for most (not all) accidents.  A mask has not been proven to keep you from getting covid. 

You seem to be searching for a cure all.   Nothing has been proven to keep you from getting from covid other than total isolation.  Not sure where you get lost in this chart.

[Mathew]

There’s nothing scientific about that chart. And that would hold true for any airborne virus. Why were we not instructed to wear masks during the bird flu pandemic a few years back?  Much less normal cold and flu season.  Pneumonia killed millions per year prior to covid.  If masks were so effective then the WHO, CDC, Fauci etc.  has blood on their hands for not mandating them for the millions who died every year from pneumonia. 
 

This is coming from a guy who claims that the pet food industry is killing our cats and dogs but we should take everything the CDC and Fauci says as gospel 🤔

Edited August 12, 2021 by Mathew

[$20 on joe vs dan]

9 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

You seem to be searching for a cure all.   Nothing has been proven to keep you from getting from covid other than total isolation.  Not sure where you get lost in this chart.

I like the peeing meme way better than this one; at least that one provided a truthful message without misleading absolutes.

I remember being first really alarmed out by Covid early in 2020 when a video from Taiwan was shown on the topic of tracing; basically they showed a frame of a church pew in a popular church for tourists.  A lady they had traced to have had CV sat down for 10 minutes and then got up and left.  After (presumably seconds to minutes) another person sat down for ten minutes and left.  Tracing demonstrated that this was the ONLY "contact" w/ an infected person by the 2nd person.

CV can be in aerosols that are too light to fall to the ground so it can be suspended and moving throughout an interior space for minutes to hours (pending on ventilation).  THAT is scary.

[KShine]

7 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

You seem to be searching for a cure all.   Nothing has been proven to keep you from getting from covid other than total isolation.  Not sure where you get lost in this chart.

Shaking hands, hugging, kissing, and all forms of physical contact are dangerous, selfish, and unnecessary - and by scientific logic should be forbidden.

[redghostx]

That picture is supposed to be urine and pants. [Was beaten]

Yay LEGO!

[CosmicSpeed]

42 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Oh man. Using a seat belt analogy.  I wear a seat belt because it’s proven to provide protection for most (not all) accidents.  A mask has not been proven to keep you from getting covid. 
If the FDA could even provide an approved mask type that prevented covid spread and contamination that would be a start.  Wait  they haven’t even approved a single covid vaccine 🥴

If masks were so effective for protecting from viruses then why did virtually no one (aside from regions in Asian countries) wear them prior to covid? And no I’m not counting Michael Jackson and his clan. 

So you do believe in proof. Show me the proof "They" exist to destroy "us" And I mean the same scientific type articles you are referencing for seatbelt logic.

Edited August 12, 2021 by CosmicSpeed
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[Mathew]

2 minutes ago, CosmicSpeed said:

So you do believe in proof. Show me the proof "They" exist to destroy "us" And I mean the same scientific type articles you are referencing for seatbelt logic.

They don’t want to destroy us. They would have done that already (and have through previous wars). This is the new world order that is being put into place because they finally have the means to do it. Took them awhile but it’s here. 

22 minutes ago, KShine said:

Shaking hands, hugging, kissing, and all forms of physical contact are dangerous, selfish, and unnecessary - and by scientific logic should be forbidden.

Actually that’s not too far off. 

[Mathew]

38 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

I like the peeing meme way better than this one; at least that one provided a truthful message without misleading absolutes.

Does the meme include someone wearing a loaded diaper that is leaking everywhere, hasn’t been changed in hours, taken off handled and hung like an air freshener on a rear view mirror?

Edited August 12, 2021 by Mathew

[CosmicSpeed]

23 minutes ago, Mathew said:

They don’t want to destroy us. They would have done that already (and have through previous wars). This is the new world order that is being put into place because they finally have the means to do it. Took them awhile but it’s here. 

There it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

Do you also believe Tartaria existed and was wiped out? Mudfloods? The Great Reset? I, too, follow /r/conspiracyNOPOL

Edited August 12, 2021 by CosmicSpeed

[elmaslıefendi]

2 hours ago, redghostx said:

I think Americans are too conditioned to not trust the government. 

Not conditioned enough if you look at the past 100 years.

2 hours ago, redghostx said:

On Covid:
Generally, I trust the science I can find on Covid, but with a grain of salt. some of it is sketchy or contradicting, but it's evolving. 

Big pharma & government don't care about science. What is science? Science is a constantly evolving form of knowledge created by discussing, researching & questioning the current state we're in. Scientists do that & guess what: all of a sudden studies have different outcomes & different suggestions on how to deal with this pandemic other than the government narrative. These studies are ignored though. Don't trust a study you didn't pay for, right? Recent example: in Germany it is legal to vaccinate kids over the age of 12 despite the fact that the STIKO (Standing Committee on Vaccination) was against it. This is a big deal:

https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/infections/Vaccination/Vaccination_node.html

Link is a government website (RKI) explaining what the STIKO is & what it does, why it is important to have this independent advisory group etc. but they obviously forgot to add: "We don't care though lol" at the bottom of the text. Because clearly, they don't. They can just ignore advice from the most important advisory group on vaccines in Germany & instead legalize vaccination for kids. That's an unbelievably ignorant & dangerous approach. This is anti-science at its purest form.

And this is true for masks, the virus, the vaccine, everything. Studies that are inconvenient are ignored or get 'debunked' by a half page article from some government journalist who doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Now you're gonna say: one is pharma, one is government, what has one to do with the other? Apart from the corruption which is being uncovered daily (politicians are humans, not robots, they can be bought) government doesn't have a choice. The amount of money collected from taxes & the jobs attached to these giant companies act as a tool to blackmail authorities. Same is true for tech, the food industry, media, traveling, you name it.

Big business becomes bigger, buys out smaller companies & eventually becomes a monopoly. We're witnessing the final stages of this development. You can't beat Facebook, Apple, Pfizer, Google, Nestle or Amazon anymore. They have become so big & so powerful, no government in the world can stop them. Too much to lose & nothing to gain. Quite the opposite. This results in government & these businesses cooperating & doing everything they can by creating useful laws in order to support their ability to bank higher profits, access private information legally or spread fake news without any major consequence. We can't trust these companies as they proved to us multiple times that they aren't trustworthy.

Our voices-recorded, our movement-tracked by cameras & gps, our information-we give it away voluntarily, our shopping habits-available to our banks. And all this stuff is being sold as a service to other companies. Data is a product, not useless information. It gives them an advantage & they can directly advertize specific products we're interested in. Maximum efficiency for them in exchange for zero privacy for us. It seems trivial to most people, like sure have my data, whatever, but at a global scale it becomes significant. Especially when AI becomes smarter & smarter. 

2 hours ago, redghostx said:

Do I know the long term effects of the vaccine? No. However, I don't think the pharmaceuticals can risk screwing it up this time, so I give a little more leeway. Also, authoritarian, democracys, republics, all want you to get a vaccine. Just different ones, is it really likely that all the vaccines give the government the same mind control abilities? I doubt it (but cool if so)

Oh yes, they can risk it for trillions of dollars, no worries. Because there is no risk, you take it all by signing that little paper before you get your needle. If anything goes wrong, it's your own fault. This is not an ordinary vaccine, it's a mRNA-vaccine, which makes it the first of its kind to contain genetic information. A first attempt in human medicine, so it becomes even more unpredictable than it already is because:

Vaccines generally get an 8-10 year period in which they are tested for safety. The fastest vaccine to get a permit took 5 years of development. This one was one the way in under a year. You go figure if the risk-reward trade-off is worth it. 

Speaking of worth it: the vaccine doesn't even protect you from getting the virus, so that's the cherry on top. Half of my family is vaccinated & they got sick regardless. I know I'd feel ripped off if I was in their situation. They should have known better.

2 hours ago, redghostx said:

Governments also took advantage to what they think they could get away and yes, a small amount of liberty may be permanently lost. All in the name of safety.

You consider public health & freedom of society a small amount of liberty?

Just a quote to remind - Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." 

Did this quote lose credibility...?

Edited August 12, 2021 by elmaslıefendi

[Bricklectic]

Im thinking we need a covid specific thread?

[CosmicSpeed]

2 minutes ago, Bricklectic said:

Im thinking we need a covid specific thread?

I tried that. And I complained about it here when it was closed. It devolved into much more political name calling and less of a back and forth. Right now my biggest complaint is that Lamborghini dares to re-release the Countach, sans the LARGE EGREGIOUS WING.

Edited August 12, 2021 by CosmicSpeed

[redghostx]

I don't want to quote @elmaslıefendi because it's long, but you raise a lot of valid points. Some of which I share a similar opinion (eg. How fast the vaccine was created and approved, it's as if they had a head start, maybe they knew something or were already working on something) and some I don't, and that's ok. Differing viewpoints are ok in society.

You're spot on in that big corporations (not just corporations) are too powerful and too big to fall and we're just a merger or two away from one conglomerate instead of 4 or 5.

I'm not American and have never heard the quote you ended with.

Good read overall and points worth
considering.

Yay LEGO!

[ravenb99]

My Complaint of day: 

 

Never ending arguments over covid...

[redghostx]

I tried that. And I complained about it here when it was closed. It devolved into much more political name calling and less of a back and forth. Right now my biggest complaint is that Lamborghini dares to re-release the Countach, sans the LARGE EGREGIOUS WING.

I was following someone driving a Lamborghini SUV and my only thought was I hope they won that because who would buy such a thing.

Yay LEGO!

[Mathew]

The mainstream media and Hollywood (propaganda machine for government, big pharma and tech) did their job to stoke the flames and point the finger as soon as the delta wave hit. I question how many of them have actually taken the jab. The videos they were all posting looked hokey. Do as they say, not as they do. Aside from photo ops none of them even wear masks. It’s a big charade once you’re awake to it. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by Mathew

[exciter1]

I unlocked and merged with the original thread. Sorry if some legitimate complaints got lumped into the merge.

[elmaslıefendi]

10 minutes ago, redghostx said:

I'm not American and have never heard the quote you ended with.

Good read overall and points worth
considering.

I'm also not American & English is my third language but I thought this was a really famous quote everyone knew, maybe I remembered it wrong?

I just like it a lot, one of my all time favorites & someting I live by

Sorry for the long text, not really a complaint, I didn't even want to write anything, hoping it'd stop but the thread became a little too one-sided, so I wanted to add some stuff.

[fuzzy_bricks]

I'm sure this will go better this time.

[CosmicSpeed]

Me: Complains

Exciter: Gets tired of the bitching.

[KShine]

Why? Because watching this video is so much more enjoyable than this never ending, going nowhere debate.

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by KShine

[exciter1]

1 minute ago, KShine said:

Why? Because watching this is so much more enjoyable than this never ending, going nowhere debate.

 

I could have just hid/deleted everything, but the Mack's might be enjoying the traffic.