COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

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3 hours ago, Foreman Porgy said:

Meat Pickers very own Pick A Chick 🐥wall 

been thinking of raising chickens in the backyard...I hear great things about it

[keymomachine]

8 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

been thinking of raising chickens in the backyard...I hear great things about it

My wife told me that this has become such a popular idea in the last month that it's hard to come by chicks!

[cladner]

32 minutes ago, keymomachine said:

My wife told me that this has become such a popular idea in the last month that it's hard to come by chicks!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/style/chicken-eggs-coronavirus.html

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by cladner

[$20 on joe vs dan]

Tragic, but reiterates the importance of social distancing:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/CDC-officials-trace-beginnings-of-Chicago-15187663.php

Super-spreader ; 1 individual possibly responsible for many of Chicago's cases

I wish the ages of the individuals along the chain were given by the article because, if we assume most of them were<60, it seems like this viral strain were especially potent/deadly.

Social distancing both prevents the spread but also breaks the chain of infections...this article highlights how if the social distancing mandate was in forced before the wedding, or before the birthday party, or before the church gathering...lives would definitely have been saved.

[benjamin4172]

millennial

/mɪˈlɛnɪəl/

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noun

plural noun: millennials

1. a person reaching young adulthood in the early 21st century.

[Ed Mack]

22 hours ago, doon73 said:

They can't but its all relative. Someone on BBC News last night was deploring how kids are getting anxious because they might not see their friends before they break for summer (mid July here in the UK) - they've only been off school two (or is three?) weeks!! When I was my sons school age we had power cuts, strikes, waste amassing in the streets, riots, IRA bombings, etc. When my dad was at school he was running to a bomb shelter most nights during 1941 and has rationing through to his mid-teens. As I said it's all relative and people need to focus on the big picture. A prolonged life is generally worth waiting for, even if it does carry an inconvenience by todays standards.

I know I would be happy as a kid just hanging out in my room playing with LEGO sets and watching Godzilla and Planet of the Apes movies.  In fact, that's all that I did, but I grew up to be a social misfit, so that's why I recommend otherwise.

[Ed Mack]

22 hours ago, exracer327 said:

I agree with your statement about China.  For one, you don't lock down 11 million people for a few hundred deaths.  That's not the China way (https://www.history.com/topics/china/tiananmen-square).   

re: NY & NJ, I think you can just say NY.  It is sadly ironic how NY leaders were scoffing at the idea of prohibiting large gatherings the end of January in opposition to Trump shutting down travel.  NYC has created it's own problem, but sadly there is a lot of collateral damage, namely in NJ and Long Island, NY.

I live in NJ, first express stop out of NYC on our commuter-rail line.  You can track the original positives for covid-19 cases in NJ by looking at the commuter-rail lines out of NYC.  It might be the same in Southern NJ out of Phili but I think Phili locked down faster than NYC.

Our town of 30k people has about 100 cases with 3 deaths (all elderly with complications).  Most of the original people had no connection to the others until other family members become sick as well.  Most of them worked in Manhattan.  The suspicion (except DeBlasio, who is still encouraging people to take the subway) is that most were made sick from ridding the trains / subways, hence the number of cases exploding all at once. 

Just think how much damage one person who was coughing into their hand, touching turnstiles, handles, seats, walls, etc. can cause to tens-of-thousands of people who were unwittingly contracting it from just one person.  Coughing in a crowded subway choke-point - same thing if not worse.

As a NJ resident with many ties in both north and south NJ, I can tell you that Cuomo and DeBlasio took too long to shut that city down.  NJ was in lockdown days before NY and NY schools took way too long to close.  I think Cuomo is doing a solid job now, but he was part of the issue at first, even telling DeBlasio any lockdown has to go thru him.  Regardless, it is improving and I think Trump, Cuomo, Murphy(NJ) and Wolf (PA) are working well together.  I just want to start hearing ways they are going to slowly reopen the economy.  

[Alpinemaps]

On 4/8/2020 at 2:57 PM, doon73 said:

They can't but its all relative. Someone on BBC News last night was deploring how kids are getting anxious because they might not see their friends before they break for summer (mid July here in the UK) - they've only been off school two (or is three?) weeks!! When I was my sons school age we had power cuts, strikes, waste amassing in the streets, riots, IRA bombings, etc. When my dad was at school he was running to a bomb shelter most nights during 1941 and has rationing through to his mid-teens. As I said it's all relative and people need to focus on the big picture. A prolonged life is generally worth waiting for, even if it does carry an inconvenience by todays standards.

I think the point to that is just kind of what you described.  You, your father - made incredible sacrifices, and none of us want our kids to have to suffer through sacrifices such as that.  So, while we look at a forced house "arrest" as silly, and why can't they just adjust, we had it harder - I don't want my kids to *have* to suffer through that.  Also, it's unprecedented in their lifetimes, so just adjusting to life like this, from a mental health POV is hard.

[crayxlp]

On 4/8/2020 at 5:47 PM, Ed Mack said:

I am done listening to your drivel and anti-US rhetoric.  This is an American site and you are a guest here, so tread lightly.  As for the Czech Republic, you should thank the USA.  You would be speaking Russian without us.  

thank you United States of America for giving us the this generous offer to fight-off the Russians in the 80s.. I know that you were very much involved.

[BrickLegacy]

Guys, please settle this outside. 

[crayxlp]

I just tried to share the relevant data from Europe.. most of the others here took the position that Im blaiming US for STARTING the virus!

[fuzzy_bricks]

6 minutes ago, crayxlp said:

I just tried to share the relevant data from Europe.. most of the others here took the position that Im blaiming US for STARTING the virus!

Have you actually shared some data or just rhetoric?

8 minutes ago, BrickLegacy said:

Guys, please settle this outside. 

You should have quoted Rocky V, "My rings outside", unless you were going for the USA vs. Russian angle.

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by fuzzy_bricks

[crayxlp]

whatever, im certaiinly not that Ivan Drago character.. could be although fun to have his musculature.

[Bold-Arrow]

18 minutes ago, crayxlp said:

I cant honestly comment on that. When the so-called "cold war" in Europe was over I was still in the elementary school. But I find it quite offensive remarks such as ".. if it were not for us .. you would be still in the Russia"..  from what I have learned in the elementary school, in 1945 it was the US Army that liberarated a western part of our country, but stopped like 20 miles in front of capital. That made an oppotunity for the Soviet Army to enter the capital (Prague city) .. and that also marked the 40 yrs of the downfall of the country. Thats just pure historical data. I DID NOT LIVE at that time.. so I can not have any relevant opinion on that time  piece. 

I was just trying to lighten up the mood by referencing a video game that was popular back in my youth , maybe I am getting too old or just as my kids would say ; not funny 

[crayxlp]

20 hours ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

Have you actually shared some data or just rhetoric?

 

I was under impression that as much as "we" (the l ocal authorities make test and follow the John Hopkins University data), the same you in US (perhaps not personally, but your local authorities) follow the same source of relevant, academic data. I might give you the iink to the online local stats but Im not really confident that anyone would care. 

the thing is that there are some "trends" how to fight this virus.. and US - unfortunatelly just LACK in implementing them. I mentioned several reasons why is that (in particular that most of the US citizens feel over too confident that they can deal with anything .. because "the best country in the world").. obviously many can  not accept that .. but they are fine with accepting and succumbing to distance, area, stores limitations last month UNHEARD OF in the US - but already in progress within Europe.. 

[Mark Twain]

I was just trying to lighten up the mood by referencing a video game that was popular back in my youth , maybe I am getting too old or just as my kids would say ; not funny 

I find children need to be taught humor through trust.

[NIevo]

7 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

I was just trying to lighten up the mood by referencing a video game that was popular back in my youth , maybe I am getting too old or just as my kids would say ; not funny 

They had video games back then?

Edited April 10, 2020 by NIevo

[fuzzy_bricks]

17 minutes ago, crayxlp said:

 

Definition of data

1 : factual information (such as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation

[Ed Mack]

12 hours ago, crayxlp said:

thank you United States of America for giving us the this generous offer to fight-off the Russians in the 80s.. I know that you were very much involved.

While I cannot say I helped Eastern Europe during the Cold war, I can tell you I had the pleasure to meet people who helped fight the good fight.  All of my grandparents were from the Lodz area in Poland and they often would welcome Polish priests and friends into their homes when they were allowed to come into the US.  This was in the early 1970s. I grew up listening to Polish when around them and their visitors would tell me stories of how any mail and care packages my grandparents would send would be ripped open and stuff stolen from them by some Communist hack or were beat up for speaking their minds.  They had very little freedom and loved the United States.  They continued to fight Communism on a daily basis and I am proud to have known them.

As for me, I was a kid who was very pro USA.  I knew all the military facts and figures for the USA and USSR.  I could tell you about tank counts and missile load outs on Migs.  It was important for me as a child that the USA would prevail.  Today's kids and young adults do not fear invasion or nuclear war like we did in the 1950s-70s, so maybe it's hard for some to relate. I grew up listening to the Charlie Daniels Band singing, "In America."  Many American families(Including ours) have lost family members while defending freedom.  So when I am a little defensive of our country, please forgive me.  I realize there were many, many people before me who sacrificed a lot more than I to bring freedom around the world and they deserve some respect.  Are we perfect as a country, no, but at least we try to do the right things.  Good luck...

[BricksBrotha]

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/09/instead-prepping-coronavirus-trump-partied-golfed-held-fundraisers/2941076001/

Interested to hear what people’s thoughts are who are defending this administrations reactions are to the early March time line?

Wouldn’t it make sense for people to be upset if our leader was golfing? Calling the virus a hoax? the same people who didn’t want to stay home in the first place are whinning for the economy to reopen. By the US not being prepared, combined with a slow reaction time, will be the direct cause of longer isolation to slow the spread.
We are talking about viruses, nature, biochemistry, pathology. None of which are the least bit concerned with consumerism, capitalism or the US economy.  

I’d imagine a fall spike in cases causing another shutdown will be more harmful than what we are seeing now, would it not?

I’d also like to think the timing of this before summer actually worked out ok. Kids were already thinking about summer. If this happens in the fall or before christmas things would have been much different. Now is the time to act, like dr fuci keeps saying keep the foot on the gas with social distancing measures. Maybe start thinking of ways the economy can reopen with social distancing measures in place.  Be prepare, have a plan. Stop shooting from the hip.

 

Without getting into specific historical battles or wars, but just solely on current events, I can certainly understand how people from other countries would be frustrated watching us react as a nation. Sure, some of our foreign counterparts may not convey their message in a way that strokes your ego just right, so you decide to absorb the information.  Keep in mind, English is most of these peoples 3rd or 4th language.  
 

Also, all of these legislative spending measures being tossed around are sure to be felt for many, many generations to come. 

It’s still sad to see we are not testing for asymptomatic people while celebrities and other wealthy people have access to tests. My state alone purchased 15 Abbott machines and were guaranteed 2500 of the rapid tests. The fed/fema took over the state order and only distributed 115 test. Meaning we have 15 test readers but no tests. Sure, testing doesn’t cure the problem, but its a strong tool that allows us to identify cases, isolate those cases, and further prevent the spread. 

Has people noticed how the PPE and Testing are both turning into auctions between states?  This means profits are being made! PATHETIC. There I said it. Our response was and still continues to be PATHETIC. I think a lot could be learned from Iceland’s testing approach. There is interesting take aways from their data set. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by BricksBrotha
Typos and grammar🤓

[Ed Mack]

2 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/09/instead-prepping-coronavirus-trump-partied-golfed-held-fundraisers/2941076001/

Interested to hear what people’s thoughts are who are defending this administrations reactions are to the early March time line?

Wouldn’t it make sense for people to be upset if our leader was golfing? Calling the virus a hoax? the same people who didn’t want to stay home in the first place are whining for the economy to reopen. By not being prepared combined with a slow reaction time will be the direct cause of a longer period of isolation to slow the spread.
We are taking about viruses, nature, biochemistry, pathology. None of which are the least bit concerned with consumerism, capitalism or the US economy.  

I’d imagine a fall spike in cases causing another shutdown will be more harmful than what we are seeing now.  Without getting into specific historical battles, just solely on current events, I can certainly understand how people from other countries would be frustrated watching us react as a nation. Sure, some of our foreign counterparts may not convey their message in a way that strokes your ego just right, so you decide to absorb the information.  Keep in mind, English is most of these peoples 3rd or 4th language.  
 

Also, all of these legislative spending measures being tossed around are sure to be felt for many, many generations to come. 

It’s still sad to see we are not testing for asymptotic people while celebrities and other wealthy people have access. My state alone purchased 15 Abbott machines and were guaranteed 2500 of the rapid tests. The fed/fema took over the state order and only distributed 115 test. Meaning we have test readers but no tests. Sure testing doesn’t cure the problem, but it allows us to identify it easier and isolate those cases preventing the further spread. 

Between the PPE and Testing both turning into auctions between states, means profits are being made! And that down right PATHETIC. I think a lot could be learned from Iceland’s testing approach. There is interesting take aways from their data set. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/

 

Lot's of blame to go around.  Trump and his golfing pisses me off.  He used to rail about Obama doing the same.  Obviously, he screwed up, but so did many of the people who were supposed to be watching this sort of thing.  A few noticed for sure, but were ignored or shut down for fear of scaring people and shaking up the economy.  Democrats were too busy worrying about impeaching him.  The cable news networks didn't care either, more worried about gotcha moments about Trump.  The hoax thing was taken out of context, but he doesn't help himself with the way he babbles at times.  I think he was right about China for years and now maybe people will correct that.  

Other countries have their own issues and many have handling it no better than us.  I realize the USA sets the tone, but things were running pretty smoothly until the virus hit.  A lot of these shortages are on individual state and local governments/hospitals.  Most had no idea this was coming.  Some states and countries seem to be handling this well at the moment, with a good mix of testing and smart social distancing.  The solution though, has to be an economic one as well.  People have to return to work and we must figure out a way to do this safely and quickly.  

Moving forward, blaming people and fear porn will not help.  The US task force has been upping their game and even Trump has handled himself a little better.  If the news media would just give him a break for a couple of months, maybe he will return the favor.  I am starting to see where the rich, influential and powerful are taking advantage of the situation.  They act like they care and in the meantime making money off of regular Americans.  It's easy for these people on TV to go out there and tell people to stay home when they get paid the same.  I am tired of the news and don't really watch it anymore.  I can't.  They are trying to control me and everyone else.  I will puke if I hear talk about another "model."  We will get thru this.  May will be a much better month.

[Mathew]

Well said Ed. I can’t watch or read the news anymore.  Too much fear porn as you put it.  

[ravenb99]

man sign me up for some fear porn,  that sounds exciting...

[Pseudoty]

My state has a critical shortage of reagent so they are only testing the ill which will skew data. A known positive case can’t even get his symptomatic wife tested as it is just assumed she has it. They ordered 5K of the tests pictured but they are serological immunoglobulin POC tests and the FDA froze delivery from Ohio until an emergency waiver was granted as they are not approved. They were checked in last Friday and validated Sunday. Monday of this week they did a drive thru for exposed HCW and first responders and all tests results were negative. Not sure how much money was wasted on them. 

[Bold-Arrow]

38 minutes ago, ravenb99 said:

man sign me up for some fear porn,  that sounds exciting...

take my money