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8 hours ago, Mathew said:

I’m not dumb.  I’m just saying that the hysteria doesn’t match the numbers.  But continue driving yourself insane over this. 

That is just a nature of governments.  Their actions tend to be draconian one way or the other since they have to enact "one size fits all" policies.

On the other hand, most of US population are just dumb and or ignorant.  Something has to be catastrophic or drastic to get their attention.  Even then, we have those spring breakers filling up the beaches in FL and those dumb kids licking toilets.

One thing to criticize was the campaign to mock the effectiveness of masks. Masks are not for the protection of the wearers but to protect everyone else.  Since CDC botched the test kits, everyone should have been asked to wear a mask, because we could not know who was infected. Masks would have limited the spread of not just Covid but also flu.  Especially since there was an outbreak of Influenza B around January.  That was just logical.  I would have rather seen people walking around in masks and gloves than being cooped up at home.  Quarantine should have been last measure

But again, most people are dumb.  Now I have to begrudgingly agree with the government's decision to have everyone stay at home <end rant>

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1 minute ago, ravenb99 said:

Kind of feel personally attacked by that comment... 

Nah, a personal attack would have went something like this:

That random county may have a “Super Spreader” not like your first girlfriend in high school, but I think you married your high school sweetheart so didn’t go there ;)

On a separate note perhaps if the US government went with the conspiracy theory that this is a man made Bio-weapon we would get better buy in from the general public. I think if people thought this was a Bio weapon out of some movie or a video game they would be scared and wouldn’t leave Home but little do they realize that Nature makes the best weapons of all just ask a dinosaur.

 

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I think we all understand the flattening of the curve and are willing to sacrifice to help with that.  The problem I see is how long do you wait and destroy the economy and people's lives to flatten the curve, especially if you don't see millions dying from this like some people predict.  Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

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12 hours ago, labfreak7 said:

14,000 cases, 244 mortalities. Fatality rate is below the seasonal flu. This is being incredibly blown out of proportion. How would we have handled this 50,60 years ago? Not overreacting , and sending our economy spiraling out of control. The reaction is so much worse than the virus, and is having dire consequences. Ny is essentially shut down, NJ too. If you don’t have an employer footing the bill while you are home, or unemployed, you are screwed.  A $1000 relief check will not pay  a $3000 a month mortgage.

What you don't seem to grasp is that if the cases continue to increase on this scale the healthcare system will be overwhelmed. There are only so many hospital beds and ventilators in the country. This is what is happening in Italy. They had too many cases too fast. 627 people died yesterday and the overall death rate is 8.5%. If you think this can't happen in the US  you're kidding yourself. This is why they are trying to flatten the curve and spread out the cases so the system isn't overwhelmed. I am very lucky. I can work from home. I have sympathy for anyone who loses their job or income because of this but it has to be done.  

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2 hours ago, ravenb99 said:

2k rent for 2 bedroom in most cities is normal now.  For nicer stuff anyways

it's $2K/m for a 1 bedroom in SF ($1.5K most of SF Bay Area)  and has been for years...and it ain't even "nice" by most standards.

Also....for folks w/ extra savings laying around...wouldn't the stock market be the best place currently for that?

 

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America is just at the beginning. The results of what you do today you will see in 2-3 weeks. The mortality Rate in Italy is climbing up near to 10% of the infected not 10% of the whole Population...BUT, if 60-70% will get this infection...you do the math. The healthcare System in USA is (like most others in the World) not made for a pandemic. Countries like Germany, USA and others have to take it serious and Italy as a warning example! Yesterday 400 People died in one day.

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This thread seems to represent two camps:

those that watch what was happening in CHina in January ...eating popcorn and complaining about supply chain issues

and those that saw China and worried about how much worse it would be here

 

currently we have that 1st camp that's watching whats happening in Italy...eating popcorn and complaining about shelter-inplace

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6 minutes ago, benjamin4172 said:

America is just at the beginning. The results of what you do today you will see in 2-3 weeks. The mortality Rate in Italy is climbing up near to 10% of the infected not 10% of the whole Population...BUT, if 60-70% will get this infection...you do the math. The healthcare System in USA is (like most others in the World) not made for a pandemic. Countries like Germany, USA and others have to take it serious and Italy as a warning example! Yesterday 400 People died on one day.

Read this and you might think otherwise...

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/us-flu-cases-reach-29-million-have-we-hit-peak-season

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Also everyone is complaining about Spring breakers in the US, or Skiers in Ischgl, Austria. Where they kept partying and a lot got infected and carried it home. But still there are a lot of tourist places where still people spend their holidays as if nothing is happening now.

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13 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

Am I right if I assume that if a country dont do any Tests at the beginning. And if the country starts testing slowly, the Data is very inconclusive? Because you for example assume wrong numbers or starting points?

 

Maybe I do need a degree to read Numbers...

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San Francisco official site:

Essential businesses include:

  • Healthcare Operations and Essential Infrastructure
  • Grocery stores, certified farmers’ markets, farm and produce stands, supermarkets, food banks, convenience stores, and other establishments engaged in the retail sale of canned food, dry goods, fresh fruits and vegetables, pet supply, fresh meats, fish, and poultry, and any other household consumer products (such as cleaning and personal care products). This includes stores that sell groceries and also sell other non-grocery products, and products necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences
  • Food cultivation, including farming, livestock, and fishing
  • Businesses that provide food, shelter, and social services, and other necessities of life for economically disadvantaged or otherwise needy individuals
  • Newspapers, television, radio, and other media services
  • Gas stations and auto-supply, auto-repair, and related facilities
  • Banks and related financial institutions
  • Hardware stores
  • Plumbers, electricians, exterminators, and other service providers who provide services that are necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences, Essential Activities, and Essential Businesses
  • Businesses providing mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
  • Educational institutions—including public and private K-12 schools, colleges, and universities—for purposes of facilitating distance learning or performing essential functions, provided that social distancing of six-feet per person is maintained to the greatest extent possible
  • Laundromats, dry cleaners, and laundry service providers
  • Restaurants and other facilities that prepare and serve food, but only for delivery or carry out. Schools and other entities that typically provide free food services to students or members of the public may continue to do so under this Order on the condition that the food is provided to students or members of the public on a pick-up and takeaway basis only. Schools and other entities that provide food services under this exemption shall not permit the food to be eaten at the site where it is provided, or at any other gathering site
  • Businesses that supply products needed for people to work from home
  • Businesses that supply other essential businesses with the support or supplies necessary to operate
  • Businesses that ship or deliver groceries, food, goods or services directly to residences
  • Airlines, taxis, and other private transportation providers providing transportation services necessary for Essential Activities and other purposes expressly authorized in this Order
  • Home-based care for seniors, adults, or children
  • Residential facilities and shelters for seniors, adults, and children
  • Professional services, such as legal or accounting services, when necessary to assist in compliance with legally mandated activities
  • Childcare facilities providing services that enable employees exempted in this Order to work as permitted
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7 minutes ago, benjamin4172 said:

Am I right if I assume that if a country dont do any Tests at the beginning. And if the country starts testing slowly, the Data is very inconclusive? Because you for example assume wrong numbers or starting points?

 

Maybe I do need a degree to read Numbers...

I'm not a math guy.  I majored in microbiology in college.  I would tell you without early testing and large amounts of testing in general, we will have a difficult time figuring out where we are in relation to the curve and severity of this disease.  Given some time though and much more testing, smarter people than me can figure out where we are.

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The CDC also indicates that mortality related to pneumonia and influenza has been low during this respiratory virus season.

 

Doesnt this show the difference between regular Flu and Covid19?  I just found numbers at the RKI (Robert Koch Institute)  that 20% of patients develop pneumonia in case of Covid19.

How many get it by the seasonal flu? Does anyone have a reliable source?

 

I found it in the first one you posted: https://www.contagionlive.com/news/us-flu-cases-reach-29-million-have-we-hit-peak-season

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11 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

San Francisco official site:

Essential businesses include:

  • Healthcare Operations and Essential Infrastructure
  • Grocery stores, certified farmers’ markets, farm and produce stands, supermarkets, food banks, convenience stores, and other establishments engaged in the retail sale of canned food, dry goods, fresh fruits and vegetables, pet supply, fresh meats, fish, and poultry, and any other household consumer products (such as cleaning and personal care products). This includes stores that sell groceries and also sell other non-grocery products, and products necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences
  • Food cultivation, including farming, livestock, and fishing
  • Businesses that provide food, shelter, and social services, and other necessities of life for economically disadvantaged or otherwise needy individuals
  • Newspapers, television, radio, and other media services
  • Gas stations and auto-supply, auto-repair, and related facilities
  • Banks and related financial institutions
  • Hardware stores
  • Plumbers, electricians, exterminators, and other service providers who provide services that are necessary to maintaining the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences, Essential Activities, and Essential Businesses
  • Businesses providing mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
  • Educational institutions—including public and private K-12 schools, colleges, and universities—for purposes of facilitating distance learning or performing essential functions, provided that social distancing of six-feet per person is maintained to the greatest extent possible
  • Laundromats, dry cleaners, and laundry service providers
  • Restaurants and other facilities that prepare and serve food, but only for delivery or carry out. Schools and other entities that typically provide free food services to students or members of the public may continue to do so under this Order on the condition that the food is provided to students or members of the public on a pick-up and takeaway basis only. Schools and other entities that provide food services under this exemption shall not permit the food to be eaten at the site where it is provided, or at any other gathering site
  • Businesses that supply products needed for people to work from home
  • Businesses that supply other essential businesses with the support or supplies necessary to operate
  • Businesses that ship or deliver groceries, food, goods or services directly to residences
  • Airlines, taxis, and other private transportation providers providing transportation services necessary for Essential Activities and other purposes expressly authorized in this Order
  • Home-based care for seniors, adults, or children
  • Residential facilities and shelters for seniors, adults, and children
  • Professional services, such as legal or accounting services, when necessary to assist in compliance with legally mandated activities
  • Childcare facilities providing services that enable employees exempted in this Order to work as permitted

Seems to be standard across most states.

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25 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

emphasizes the need for more efficient and available testing

the reality is...money matters and abled bodied folks WILL go back to work...that list from SF of essential business leaves enough latitude for pretty much ANY business to claim "essential". SO how to beat the spread of the virus with THIS reality?

every bright mind needs to be working on testing options because folks that KNOW they have it will stay home (hopefully), but pretty much anyone who thinks they MAY have it will go back to work because that's simply not enough reason to not work.

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I'm not a math guy.  I majored in microbiology in college.  I would tell you without early testing and large amounts of testing in general, we will have a difficult time figuring out where we are in relation to the curve and severity of this disease.  Given some time though and much more testing, smarter people than me can figure out where we are.

I’m kinda hurt that I got blacklisted and mocked for saying that without testing we would know nothing and be screwed later. I guess the difference is I said it weeks ago when it would have made a difference and yes I said the people in charge were the ones to blame for not getting testing out sooner, which everyone is also saying now. Anyway I guess being right at the wrong time is the same as being wrong.
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