COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[$20 on joe vs dan]

Toilet Paper jokes aside...the hoarding really must stop

there's now reports that the sewer systems are failing because of folks using alternatives (i.e., paper towels, newspaper [who still has these laying around?], etc) which wreak havoc in many public municipalities.

Anyone who has had a clog knows the pain and now it will pretty much happen everywhere and can seriously impact entire blocks and neighborhoods by a single flush of a wad of Bounty.

[NIevo]

49 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

Toilet Paper jokes aside...the hoarding really must stop

there's now reports that the sewer systems are failing because of folks using alternatives (i.e., paper towels, newspaper [who still has these laying around?], etc) which wreak havoc in many public municipalities.

Anyone who has had a clog knows the pain and now it will pretty much happen everywhere and can seriously impact entire blocks and neighborhoods by a single flush of a wad of Bounty.

[labfreak7]

14,000 cases, 244 mortalities. Fatality rate is below the seasonal flu. This is being incredibly blown out of proportion. How would we have handled this 50,60 years ago? Not overreacting , and sending our economy spiraling out of control. The reaction is so much worse than the virus, and is having dire consequences. Ny is essentially shut down, NJ too. If you don’t have an employer footing the bill while you are home, or unemployed, you are screwed.  A $1000 relief check will not pay  a $3000 a month mortgage.

[jeff_14]

4 minutes ago, labfreak7 said:

14,000 cases, 244 mortalities. Fatality rate is below the seasonal flu. This is being incredibly blown out of proportion. How would we have handled this 50,60 years ago? Not overreacting , and sending our economy spiraling out of control. The reaction is so much worse than the virus, and is having dire consequences. Ny is essentially shut down, NJ too. If you don’t have an employer footing the bill while you are home, or unemployed, you are screwed.  A $1000 relief check will not pay  a $3000 a month mortgage.

And what will the body count be if this thing infects millions? Tens of millions? What will be the economic cost of that? We are doing exactly what was done with the Spanish flu of 1919, which killed more people than WW1. That’s how we would have handled this 50,60 years ago

[Bold-Arrow]

11 minutes ago, labfreak7 said:

14,000 cases, 244 mortalities. Fatality rate is below the seasonal flu. This is being incredibly blown out of proportion. How would we have handled this 50,60 years ago? Not overreacting , and sending our economy spiraling out of control. The reaction is so much worse than the virus, and is having dire consequences. Ny is essentially shut down, NJ too. If you don’t have an employer footing the bill while you are home, or unemployed, you are screwed.  A $1000 relief check will not pay  a $3000 a month mortgage.

If you - any person - have a 3000$ mortgage then you have a really high income and logic stipulates you would have some money saved in the bank . 

As far as the first part goes , if left unchecked the virus can affect up to 80% of the population to which humans have no immunity against . Even at 1% mortality that’s a lot of humans dead . Is it a bit over the top ? Maybe . Is it worth the effort to save lives ? Absolutely ! 

[locidm]

If you - any person - have a 3000$ mortgage then you have a really high income and logic stipulates you would have some money saved in the bank . 
As far as the first part goes , if left unchecked the virus can affect up to 80% of the population to which humans have no immunity against . Even at 1% mortality that’s a lot of humans dead . Is it a bit over the top ? Maybe . Is it worth the effort to save lives ? Absolutely ! 

$3000 mortgage in NY or SF is probably below average and not luxurious by any means. It’s because the housing is so expensive that savings are hard to come by.

[labfreak7]

Not saying human lives don’t matter. Of course they do. A 0.01% mortality rate is what we are dealing with here. Spanish flu of 1918 had a 2.5% mortality rate, and mutated multiple times. Totally different. Imagine this reaction to the seasonal flu, because that’s what this is more similar to. When this thing hits your area, and everything is shut down and you are unemployed, you will understand. Everyone is so worried about becoming infected. We need to start worrying about the economic fallout both personally, and nationally.

Edited March 21, 2020 by labfreak7

[jeff_14]

2 minutes ago, labfreak7 said:

Not saying human lives don’t matter. Of course they do. A 0.01% mortality rate is what we are dealing with here. Spanish flu of 1918 had a 2.5% mortality rate, and mutated multiple times. Totally different. Imagine this reaction to the seasonal flu, because that’s what this is more similar to. When this thing hits your area, and everything is shut down and you are unemployed, you will understand.

This thing is averaging 2% in most places and much higher in Italy. It’s already hit our area and shut almost everything down. This must be endured to prevent a greater catastrophe. And beyond the death rate is the possibility of long lasting lung damage and other effects in the survivors. 25% of SARS survivors experienced this. My city Toronto suffered that bug particularly hard. 

[Foreman Porgy]

As Dr. Fauci predicted weeks ago, the current mortality rate is around 1% here in the USA. The rate of the seasonal flu is .1%. That’s a 10x increase. Please do not take this pandemic lightly. If you listen to one person about this whole situation, listen to Dr. Fauci. His opinion is non-bias and he is not afraid to tell the truth. 

[Alpinemaps]

54 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

If you - any person - have a 3000$ mortgage then you have a really high income and logic stipulates you would have some money saved in the bank . 

*cries in Southern Californian*

[NIevo]

48 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

This thing is averaging 2% in most places and much higher in Italy. It’s already hit our area and shut almost everything down. This must be endured to prevent a greater catastrophe. And beyond the death rate is the possibility of long lasting lung damage and other effects in the survivors. 25% of SARS survivors experienced this. My city Toronto suffered that bug particularly hard. 

No it's not, not even close.  You can take the number of infected and essentially quadruple it and still probably won't be near what actual infected number are.

The whole thing is a serious overreaction and a joke at this point on how countries are handling it.

1 hour ago, labfreak7 said:

14,000 cases, 244 mortalities. Fatality rate is below the seasonal flu. This is being incredibly blown out of proportion. How would we have handled this 50,60 years ago? Not overreacting , and sending our economy spiraling out of control. The reaction is so much worse than the virus, and is having dire consequences. Ny is essentially shut down, NJ too. If you don’t have an employer footing the bill while you are home, or unemployed, you are screwed.  A $1000 relief check will not pay  a $3000 a month mortgage.

If you have a $3000k mortgage bases on the current plans you aren't going to even be getting a relief check.

[keymomachine]

35 minutes ago, labfreak7 said:

Not saying human lives don’t matter. Of course they do. A 0.01% mortality rate is what we are dealing with here. Spanish flu of 1918 had a 2.5% mortality rate, and mutated multiple times. Totally different. Imagine this reaction to the seasonal flu, because that’s what this is more similar to. When this thing hits your area, and everything is shut down and you are unemployed, you will understand. Everyone is so worried about becoming infected. We need to start worrying about the economic fallout both personally, and nationally.

The people who are going to die haven't died yet, you can't just do a quick math based on those numbers, also, the hospitals aren't yet overrun as they are in northern Italy. THAT is why we are doing what we are doing. More people can survive this with better care, that's what "flatten the curve" is all about.  Decrease the rate at which the hospital ICUs fill up. If it's successful, people will claim the virus was not that bad and we've all stayed home for nothing. It's not intuitive, it takes a bit of thinking to understand. It's not because the mortality rate isn't THAT bad, it's a combination of a high number of asymptomatic carriers, a long incubation time, a high transmission rate, PLUS a very high mortality rate for certain populations, this is not like the flu, it's a novel virus, no one in the world has antibodies against it, it has also mutated already at least once. I know it goes against every capitalist bone in your body, but maybe put some human lives ahead of the almighty dollar for a bit, and if all goes well, maybe we'll overhaul the whole apparatus and we can all be better for it in the future. 

[NIevo]

1 minute ago, keymomachine said:

The people who are going to die haven't died yet, you can't just do a quick math based on those numbers, also, the hospitals aren't yet overrun as they are in northern Italy. THAT is why we are doing what we are doing. More people can survive this with better care, that's what "flatten the curve" is all about.  Decrease the rate at which the hospital ICUs fill up. If it's successful, people will claim the virus was not that bad and we've all stayed home for nothing. It's not intuitive, it takes a bit of thinking to understand. It's not because the mortality rate isn't THAT bad, it's a combination of a high number of asymptomatic carriers, a long incubation time, a high transmission rate, PLUS a very high mortality rate for certain populations, this is not like the flu, it's a novel virus, no one in the world has antibodies against it, it has also mutated already at least once. I know it goes against every capitalist bone in your body, but maybe put some human lives ahead of the almighty dollar for a bit, and if all goes well, maybe we'll overhaul the whole apparatus and we can all be better for it in the future. 

Please spare me.  H1N1 is a novel virus as well and did we go completely apeshit when it hit?  It killed over 12,000 people in the USA and estimates put it at 150k-575k worldwide in 1 year.

It's not that we shouldn't be doing anything to combat this virus, but we are for some reason going completely mental in the way we are approaching and worrying about it.

[Mathew]

Some perspective:  between 250k to 500,000 people die from the flu world wide every year.  11,000 have died from the “novel” corona virus.  This **** show is going to send the world’s economy into a meltdown.  There’s got to be something else going on that we don’t know about.  

[Datoyman]

25 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Some perspective:  between 250k to 500,000 people die from the flu world wide every year.  11,000 have died from the “novel” corona virus.  This **** show is going to send the world’s economy into a meltdown.  There’s got to be something else going on that we don’t know about.  

You doubters and naysayers will realize how dumb you are when you see the images of the frontline of the pandemic hospitals and workers the bodies we are still under reacting anybody comparing this to the flu needs there head examined. This is a major event it is just getting started.

[Mathew]

13 minutes ago, Datoyman said:

You doubters and naysayers will realize how dumb you are when you see the images of the frontline of the pandemic hospitals and workers the bodies we are still under reacting anybody comparing this to the flu needs there head examined. This is a major event it is just getting started.

I’m not dumb.  I’m just saying that the hysteria doesn’t match the numbers.  But continue driving yourself insane over this. 

[waddamon]

Basically this thread is those who think everyone will be infected with millions dead and those who just don't.  I was in Vegas end of January at a George straight concert.  Packed, let's say 15k or so folks.  I bet lots of those people were infected with me, heck even maybe the folks next to me.  It was a great time.  I bet even some of those people are in a hospital somewhere or possibly dead from who knows what.  I don't get it, this will pass just like my brother and his whole family getting the swine flu way back when.  Germs and virus are a part of living.  We had three haunts virus last year, 2 died.  Now that is a killer.  When cleaning out my woodshed I wear a medical mask.

Ignore the typos, on a phone.

[brickolodon]

Ghost town now...

[BricksBrotha]

4 hours ago, labfreak7 said:

A 0.01% mortality rate is what we are dealing with here. Spanish flu of 1918 had a 2.5% mortality rate, and mutated multiple times. Totally different. Imagine this reaction to the seasonal flu, because that what this is more similar too.

Not sure where you are getting information, but you seem very ill-informed. 

CoVid-19 HAS mutated twice, that we know of. Once for the leap from humans to people. Then again in people, there is now an s&L strain. How many stains would you like?
 

1 hour ago, waddamon said:

Basically this thread is those who think everyone will be infected with millions dead and those who just don’t.

I see it as a thread people are using to decide which side of history they prefer to be on.  

4 hours ago, jeff_14 said:

This thing is averaging 2% in most places and much higher in Italy. It’s already hit our area and shut almost everything down. This must be endured to prevent a greater catastrophe. And beyond the death rate is the possibility of long lasting lung damage and other effects in the survivors. 25% of SARS survivors experienced this. My city Toronto suffered that bug particularly hard. 

Sadly, most wont learn until directly effected. One of the many unfortunate pitfalls of humans.

[iahawks550]

6 hours ago, NIevo said:

If you have a $3000k mortgage bases on the current plans you aren't going to even be getting a relief check.

A couple can make ~$12,500 a month and qualify for the full $2,400, right? Or have they changed it? That would mean the mortgage is roughly 25% of their income....which in some areas, isn't terrible.

I will be in a agreement that in 90% of this country, this situation should mean they have ample money saved for emergencies, but there are a lot of variables which can change the scenario quickly.

Edited March 21, 2020 by iahawks550

[Pseudoty]

8 hours ago, labfreak7 said:

14,000 cases, 244 mortalities. Fatality rate is below the seasonal flu. This is being incredibly blown out of proportion. How would we have handled this 50,60 years ago? Not overreacting , and sending our economy spiraling out of control. The reaction is so much worse than the virus, and is having dire consequences. Ny is essentially shut down, NJ too. If you don’t have an employer footing the bill while you are home, or unemployed, you are screwed.  A $1000 relief check will not pay  a $3000 a month mortgage.

That is not how you calculate the fatality rate since you do not get this and instantly die. The deaths we are seeing today are from people who were infected 2 weeks ago so you have to divide buy that case number. The issue we are seeing with New York is that 18% of the confirmed cases require hospitalization and the healthcare system will be overwhelmed as healthcare workers get infected and PPE supplies are exhausted. Once this occurs then many other people with many other medical issues will not be able to get treatment. Elective surgeries, PT/OT, Chemo and many other areas are already being canceled or decreased.

[KvHulk]

So many expert opinions... and the name calling has begun! Good stuff.

PS: 3K mortgages and 2K rent for a 2 bedroom apartment are completely normal in NYC.
$1K is nothing. It's 10 days rent/living/housing/whatever.

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by KvHulk

[Pseudoty]

Maybe this will better help explain the “healthcare systems getting overwhelmed” situation that we do face. This is from a fellow AFOL so I think he dumbed it down enough for the audience. 

 

[ravenb99]

57 minutes ago, KvHulk said:

So many expert opinions... and the name calling has begun! Good stuff.

PS: 3K mortgages and 2K rent for a 2 bedroom apartment are completely normal in NYC.
$1K is nothing. It's 10 days rent/living/housing/whatever.

 

 

2k rent for 2 bedroom in most cities is normal now.  For nicer stuff anyways

Anyone in other states seeing random rural counties with high percentages of the statewide cases / deaths?

Random county in south Georgia has like 45 cases and 6 of the states 14 deaths 

Edited March 21, 2020 by ravenb99

[Pseudoty]

27 minutes ago, ravenb99 said:

2k rent for 2 bedroom in most cities is normal now.  For nicer stuff anyways

Anyone in other states seeing random rural counties with high percentages of the statewide cases / deaths?

Random county in south Georgia has like 45 cases and 6 of the states 14 deaths 

You can use this site to drill down to county just tap on the state in the list not the map for details. Depending on where they pull data for any specific state it may lag as my state goes by DPH and so far they have not reported on the weekends but they have gone from updating the numbers daily to twice a day. Also you may have to select USA and English your first time. 

That random county may have a “Super Spreader” not the type you find at your local strip club but someone with a very high viral load that has close contact with a large amount of people. This is what happened in S Korea where one ill lady attended church. 

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/#stat

Also don’t want this to get lost on the last page:

Maybe this will better help explain the “healthcare systems getting overwhelmed” situation that we do face. This is from a fellow AFOL so I think he dumbed it down enough for the audience. 

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Pseudoty