BricksBrotha Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, NIevo said: yet their lives are being upended because of it. Their lives, as well as millions and millions of others across the planet. Valuable lessons to be had not only for the next generation, but EVERYONE, if they so choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locidm Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, NIevo said: Here's what I don't get in regards to how drastic of measures are being taken for such a small risk to 99% of the population. Worldwide there are roughly: 1.3million deaths a year to auto accidents 1.8millions deaths a year to alcohol 6million deaths a year to smoking Yet these numbers are for the most part completely acceptable because god forbid we take away somebodies luxuries for the sake of 9million deaths a year. These things however don't discriminate against certain age groups or illnesses. My 4 kids are a million times more likely to get killed by a car or second hand smoke then the Coronavirus yet their lives are being upended because of it. The issue is every one's parents or grandparents are within the at-risk demographics. The fact is the majority of the population do care about their parents and their grandparents and want them alive rather than dead. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolanfan34 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, NIevo said: Here's what I don't get in regards to how drastic of measures are being taken for such a small risk to 99% of the population. Worldwide there are roughly: 1.3million deaths a year to auto accidents 1.8millions deaths a year to alcohol 6million deaths a year to smoking Yet these numbers are for the most part completely acceptable because god forbid we take away somebodies luxuries for the sake of 9million deaths a year. These things however don't discriminate against certain age groups or illnesses. My 4 kids are a million times more likely to get killed by a car or second hand smoke then the Coronavirus yet their lives are being upended because of it. I see this argument a lot and it drives me nuts due to the math. covid-19 is a 1:1 equation. Get infected, have a percentage chance of death. Auto accidents - you don't calculate against number of people, you have to calculate against number of TRIPS since you essentially bear the risk each time you drive. So this number is going to be way more miniscule in comparison. Alcohol and smoking are cumulative so I think different altogether. I don't disagree that as a society we've sort of accepted these as bearable risks even though we know the numbers. And yeah, kids lives are being upended because they can be carriers, not because they might die from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddamon Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, elmaslıefendi said: To be brutally honest, if I lived in America, I wouldn't leave the house unarmed in this situation. Even if there is no threat, the people creating a threat & randomly pulling their guns at each other is the problem. Eventually some will go nuts for no reason. You watch too many movies. Our second amendment right creates a situation where this God given right is honored and respected with most if bot every single gun owner I know, which is a lot has the highest priority and training in use and storage. We don't need government to tell us Other than stopping criminal activity to your own person, family or others normal law abiding Americans don't pull guns on each other. It just doesnt happen. Criminals don't care about rights, don't respect any law and are out to cause destruction. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, iahawks550 said: You are talking about personal choices with alcohol and smoking. Auto accidents have been deemed a necessary evil by society, and steps have been taken over the years to address the numbers. This virus is not a personal choice and it's killing a demographic that has no protection against it. Sure they have protection against it. They are the ones that should be quarantined and taken care of. Alcohol and smoking aren't personal choices when they harm others anymore then the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, locidm said: The issue is every one's parents or grandparents are within the at-risk demographics. The fact is the majority of the population do care about their parents and their grandparents and want them alive rather than dead. Sure they are and most people do care about them. My wifes are trying to stay at home and separate themselves from people as much as realistic and we will be getting stuff for them as needed. Mine could care less about it and actually had a cruise they were just leaving for and were pissed it got cancelled at the last minute. They are all adults and should be able to make decisions for themselves on how to approach it and how to live. Point is we know the target demographic and who is most at risk yet we are needlessly destroying entire markets, lives and businesses for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_14 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, waddamon said: You watch too many movies. Our second amendment right creates a situation where this God given right is honored and respected with most if bot every single gun owner I know, which is a lot has the highest priority and training in use and storage. We don't need government to tell us Other than stopping criminal activity to your own person, family or others normal law abiding Americans don't pull guns on each other. It just doesnt happen. Criminals don't care about rights, don't respect any law and are out to cause destruction. God given? It wasn’t even in the original constitution but was an amendment! Your insanely high gun death rate compared to every country on Earth is exactly why government should be telling you how to control it, like any other health matter. Most criminals acquired their guns legally. They pull guns on each other. They were law abiding until the moment they pulled the gun. Stolen guns commonly come from “law-abiding” homes. It happens. All the time 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bold-Arrow Posted March 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, NIevo said: Sure they are and most people do care about them. My wifes are trying to stay at home and separate themselves from people as much as realistic and we will be getting stuff for them as needed. Mine could care less about it and actually had a cruise they were just leaving for and were pissed it got cancelled at the last minute. They are all adults and should be able to make decisions for themselves on how to approach it and how to live. Point is we know the target demographic and who is most at risk yet we are needlessly destroying entire markets, lives and businesses for everyone. Not judging , but I can barely deal with one of those in my house especially in these times !! 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, nolanfan34 said: I see this argument a lot and it drives me nuts due to the math. covid-19 is a 1:1 equation. Get infected, have a percentage chance of death. Auto accidents - you don't calculate against number of people, you have to calculate against number of TRIPS since you essentially bear the risk each time you drive. So this number is going to be way more miniscule in comparison. Alcohol and smoking are cumulative so I think different altogether. I don't disagree that as a society we've sort of accepted these as bearable risks even though we know the numbers. And yeah, kids lives are being upended because they can be carriers, not because they might die from it. Not really. You don't have to be driving, drinking or smoking to be affected by those that do. Auto accidents could be just as close to a 1:1 equation unless you live somewhere that has to cars. How many pedestrians get killed a year without being calculated into the TRIP category? 13 minutes ago, jeff_14 said: God given? It wasn’t even in the original constitution but was an amendment! Your insanely high gun death rate compared to every country on Earth is exactly why government should be telling you how to control it, like any other health matter. Most criminals acquired their guns legally. They pull guns on each other. They were law abiding until the moment they pulled the gun. Stolen guns commonly come from “law-abiding” homes. It happens. All the time Yeah, just go ahead and stay in Canada cause you are clueless. If someone want's to have a gun debate I'm your Huckleberry, but some intelligence is required. Helps if your from this country to actually know what its like other then what CNN and the Lib's want you to believe. 11 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said: Not judging , but I can barely deal with one of those in my house especially in these times !! Lol....not staying in our home!!!!! Edited March 18, 2020 by NIevo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$20 on joe vs dan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 hours ago, NIevo said: Anyone over 55-60 The Baby Boomer gen probably controls most of this country and represents the largest voting age group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_bricks Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, jeff_14 said: God given? It wasn’t even in the original constitution but was an amendment! Your insanely high gun death rate compared to every country on Earth is exactly why government should be telling you how to control it, like any other health matter. Most criminals acquired their guns legally. They pull guns on each other. They were law abiding until the moment they pulled the gun. Stolen guns commonly come from “law-abiding” homes. It happens. All the time God given is used as a way to define our rights as from a higher power than government. We don't get our rights from government, we're born with them. The Bill of Rights is actually a list of things the government can't do, not things the people can. I'm sure I'm butchering that explanation and while we're not perfect, that's the gist of why America is awesome. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmaslıefendi Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 How about ending this gun discussion? I was just stating that some armed, gun-friendly people in a country known for its high death by firearms due to certain laws that make aquiring them easier may not be the best situation in a crisis of which we don't know how it will look like in 2 months & that I personally would carry in such a situation. At what point did I insult any or every American or the country itself? No need to defend your patriotism, nobody even attacked it in the slightest. Chill out. I ignored a lot of responses but this is just over the top. It's a fact, not a feeling, that some countries are safer in that regard than others, some nations are armed more than others & some nations have more mass shootings and gun accidents than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said: How about ending this gun discussion? I was just stating that some armed, gun-friendly people in a country known for its high death by firearms due to certain laws that make aquiring them easier may not be the best situation in a crisis of which we don't know how it will look like in 2 months & that I personally would carry in such a situation. At what point did I insult any or every American or the country itself? No need to defend your patriotism, nobody even attacked it in the slightest. Chill out. I ignored a lot of responses but this is just over the top. It's a fact, not a feeling, that some countries are safer in that regard than others, some nations are armed more than others & some nations have more mass shootings and gun accidents than others. So basically you were just rambling and stating no actual fact other then just personal feelings about a country and people you seem to know little about???? Got it😆 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_14 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, NIevo said: So basically you were just rambling and stating no actual fact other then just personal feelings about a country and people you seem to know little about???? Got it😆 If that’s your takeaway then the problem is even bigger than we thought. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddamon Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, fuzzy_bricks said: God given is used as a way to define our rights as from a higher power than government. We don't get our rights from government, we're born with them. The Bill of Rights is actually a list of things the government can't do, not things the people can. I'm sure I'm butchering that explanation and while we're not perfect, that's the gist of why America is awesome. Sir you nailed it perfectly!! My applause to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin4172 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) I guess Im too late for: That escalated quickly😉 Btw am I the only one whoose sales on ebay are higher than usual? It must be the boredom of staying at home and deliveryproblems of the big players.... Stay healthy everyone! Edited March 19, 2020 by benjamin4172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, benjamin4172 said: I guess Im too late for: That escalated quickly😉 Btw am I the only one whoose sales on ebay are higher than usual? It must be the boredom of staying at home and deliveryproblems of the big players.... Stay healthy everyone! No, most people other then Brickolodon have been seeing increased sales across the board including Bricklink. 42 minutes ago, jeff_14 said: If that’s your takeaway then the problem is even bigger than we thought. Just stay north of the boarder in your safe space. j/k.....although it is funny how so many people promised they were going to move to Canada if Trump got elected yet none seemed to. That was the biggest disappointment from the last 4 years. Guess the US isn't so bad after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksBrotha Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, NIevo said: Alcohol and smoking aren't personal choices when they harm others anymore then the virus. How do any of your examples cover a nursing home? 45 minutes ago, benjamin4172 said: Btw am I the only one whoose sales on ebay are higher than usual? Stay healthy everyone! You too!! BRICKMASTERS!!! 2 hours ago, NIevo said: My wifes are trying to stay at home Daaaaaang boyeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said: How do any of your examples cover a nursing home? BRICKMASTERS!!! Daaaaaang boyeeeeee Lol....inlaws.....I'm not in Utah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said: How do any of your examples cover a nursing home? BRICKMASTERS!!! Daaaaaang boyeeeeee Are the people in the Nursing Home ill or dying from smoking or drinking? Are they still allowed to do it there? Nursing homes are basically a quarantine zone themselves, it's the people coming and going that should be careful. https://gazette.com/news/car-crashes-into-nursing-home-killing-and-injuring/article_2b71bf41-d81e-5e80-b9c4-cf1aaba18947.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIevo Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 How about some meme's to lighten it up a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belac Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, NIevo said: lighten it up a bit. I think I just read San Fran ordered pot shops to remain open as essential services.😏 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolanfan34 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, NIevo said: Not really. You don't have to be driving, drinking or smoking to be affected by those that do. Auto accidents could be just as close to a 1:1 equation unless you live somewhere that has to cars. How many pedestrians get killed a year without being calculated into the TRIP category? This doesn't make sense. Can you clarify? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolanfan34 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Bold-Arrow said: Not judging , but I can barely deal with one of those in my house especially in these times !! Yeah what in the heck is going on here. Ed, lock this thread before we learn more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkrigger Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Divergence between the Paper and physical silver price at record level. Anyone know where to get physical at small premium to spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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