COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[BricksBrotha]

5 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

No country has faced such a global crisis in the past 60 years.

Maybe, but we as a species have faced plenty of adversity and we are tooled with knowledge of past outbreaks. It may get worse before getting better, but that is the natural progression of these events.

 

9 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

In this case armed people will eventually go nuts, which is only natural in a hostile situation. 

Anyone who has ever owned/fired/cared for a firearm knows you have watched waaay to many movies. Have you ever stepped foot on United States soil?

 

12 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

 Just my opinion. 

This is no time for opinion.

 

People should be basing their actions solely on facts.

 

 

[Ed Mack]

9 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

These will be times that are new for all of us. No country has faced such a global crisis in the past 60 years. In this case armed people will eventually go nuts, which is only natural in a hostile situation. Just my opinion. Let's wait a few months and see what happens. It's no where near the peak right now.

With all due respect, you have no clue.  Just like I have no clue about life in other countries.  The United States will weather the storm.

[NIevo]

17 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

These will be times that are new for all of us. No country has faced such a global crisis in the past 60 years. In this case armed people will eventually go nuts, which is only natural in a hostile situation. Just my opinion. Let's wait a few months and see what happens. It's no where near the peak right now.

Well you should probably keep your opinions about the states to yourself cause you really don't know what your talking about.

[jeff_14]

7 minutes ago, NIevo said:

Well you should probably keep your opinions about the states to yourself cause you really don't know what your talking about.

If we’re sticking to facts and not opinions, the US has over 10,000 gun deaths a year and one mass shooting per day, and thats in years without pandemics. Conceal and carry and stand your ground laws have expanded significantly in the past 10 years alone. This is a recipe for disaster. 

[KvHulk]

*please delete*

*thanks*

Edited March 18, 2020 by KvHulk

[fuzzy_bricks]

Can someone explain the quarantining thing to me?  If we all hole up for a couple weeks and then go back to business as usual won't we get the kung flu then?  I get that we're trying to "flatten the curve", but won't there always be somebody running around with this infecting other people?  Yes, I understand we're trying not to overrun the hospitals but it just seems like we're delaying the inevitable.

 

Edited March 18, 2020 by fuzzy_bricks

[KvHulk]

My observations after going out today to the pharmacy, supermarket and post office...

I thought the pharmacy would be out of control, It wasn't. There were 3 people, including myself, online. Normal.

The supermarket was buzzing with activity, but no more than usual. There were empty shelves but the items gone were sale items. Seriously. quarts of ice cream were 2/$5 and were wiped. But there was plenty of $4.49 ice cream. Plenty of meat, TP, etc etc. If there were items of importance that were out of stock I didn't notice with what I was buying. The cashier was a senior citizen. Every customer she helped was within 24 inches of her. (Stop & Shop, HBNY) (edit: I couldn't find blueberry pop tarts! Nooooo!)

I walked into the post office and dropped off my outgoing packages, as I always do and left. No waiting.

I saw two people wearing masks. One at the pharmacy, one at the supermarket. No one was keeping 6 feet apart.

Seems to me that either everything should be shut down or nothing at all. Half measures are just that, half measures.
 

Edited March 18, 2020 by KvHulk

[iahawks550]

No doubt. It's business as usual just about everywhere where I'm at.   People aren't taking it seriously. Maybe they will be right and this won't amount to anything. I hope so. 

I'm thrilled to see a firearms discussion evolving from this thread. It's bad enough with two Americans have to discuss their difference of opinion. 

Edited March 18, 2020 by iahawks550

[Ed Mack]

4 minutes ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

Can someone explain the quarantining thing to me?  If we all hole up for a couple weeks and then go back to business as usual won't we get the kung flu then?  I get that we're trying to "flatten the curve", but won't there always be somebody running around with this infecting other people?  Yes, I understand we're trying not to overrun the hospitals but it just seems like we're delaying the inevitable.

 

Pretty much the truth.  we are just trying to keep the hospitals from overflowing with sick.

[Pseudoty]

1 hour ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Ok anyone care to speculate why the LEGO stores are closing everywhere EXCEPT China? They are closed everywhere except at the ground zero of virus?  What are they not telling us?

Same as with the Apple store it is because China and their citizens know how to behave in order to not spread the virus. Anyone entering China from any country automatic mandatory 14 day quarantine. Anyone wanting to enter the Apple store must wear a mask, be temp check and screened with an app they assess their risk based on where they live, where they have been and who they have interacted with. This app then scores you as a Red or Yellow = no entrance only Green get in. Once in you must keep 6 foot distance and on and on just a different world then the USA. 

1 hour ago, Phil B said:

I am now in my 9th year of living in the United States. I have yet to see anyone carry a gun anywhere (except for law enforcement officers). Typical outsider perspective, just like all Europeans are commies.

It’s called concealed carry for a reason. Not sure if it is legal in your state but there are plenty of us out there. 

Edited March 18, 2020 by Pseudoty

[Darth_Raichu]

19 minutes ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

Can someone explain the quarantining thing to me?  If we all hole up for a couple weeks and then go back to business as usual won't we get the kung flu then?  I get that we're trying to "flatten the curve", but won't there always be somebody running around with this infecting other people?  Yes, I understand we're trying not to overrun the hospitals but it just seems like we're delaying the inevitable.

 

Long delaying tactic until somebody figures out a cure

[Bold-Arrow]

17 minutes ago, KvHulk said:

My observations after going out today to the pharmacy, supermarket and post office...

I thought the pharmacy would be out of control, It wasn't. There were 3 people, including myself, online. Normal.

The supermarket was buzzing with activity, but no more than usual. There were empty shelves but the items gone were sale items. Seriously. quarts of ice cream were 2/$5 and were wiped. But there was plenty of $4.49 ice cream. Plenty of meat, TP, etc etc. If there were items of importance that were out of stock I didn't notice with what I was buying. The cashier was a senior citizen. Every customer she helped was within 24 inches of her. (Stop & Shop, HBNY) (edit: I couldn't find blueberry pop tarts! Nooooo!)

I walked into the post office and dropped off my outgoing packages, as I always do and left. No waiting.

I saw two people wearing masks. One at the pharmacy, one at the supermarket. No one was keeping 6 feet apart.

Seems to me that either everything should be shut down or nothing at all. Half measures are just that, half measures.
 

I own and operate an independent pharmacy , it actually has been a bit slower than normal ( aside from the phones going crazy regarding hours of operation and whether we have masks, sanitizers, etc.. ) . People are too busy getting other items and as we are not expecting any drug shortages any time soon ( fingers crossed ) , panic level is for the most part none existent . Having said that, our delivery service is significantly up since last week.  

[Ed Mack]

7 minutes ago, KvHulk said:

My observations after going out today to the pharmacy, supermarket and post office...

I thought the pharmacy would be out of control, It wasn't. There were 3 people, including myself, online. Normal.

The supermarket was buzzing with activity, but no more than usual. There were empty shelves but the items gone were sale items. Seriously. quarts of ice cream were 2/$5 and were wiped. But there was plenty of $4.49 ice cream. Plenty of meat, TP, etc etc. If there were items of importance that were out of stock I didn't notice with what I was buying. The cashier was a senior citizen. Every customer she helped was within 24 inches of her. (Stop & Shop, HBNY) (edit: I couldn't find blueberry pop tarts! Nooooo!)

I walked into the post office and dropped off my outgoing packages, as I always do and left. No waiting.

I saw two people wearing masks. One at the pharmacy, one at the supermarket. No one was keeping 6 feet apart.

Seems to me that either everything should be shut down or nothing at all. Half measures are just that, half measures.
 

I agree with this.  Either go big or go home.  People will not stay locked in their homes for months.  It just will not happen unless zombies are walking the streets.  This has to run its course.  People have to get sick and recover.  These social distancing measure will help keep the hospitals from exploding in patients, but there will be bad situations in many hot spots.  We have removed many features in my business where people get out of their cars or can infect others. We are drive thru everything right now.  We are shrinking our employees on location at any one time.  We will lose efficiency, but I am hoping it will help.   We will lose money for sure, but at least we are trying to help and running.  

Under most circumstances, people will not get infected in a large retail store unless forced to wait on line.  Case in point.  Home Depot is only letting 50 people in a store at any one time.  Home Depot?  Have you seen the size of a typical Home Depot?  They are lining people up outside and letting people go in as they come out.  There is more of a chance passing the virus on line than in the store.  This is a policy that needs modification.

[NIevo]

51 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

If we’re sticking to facts and not opinions, the US has over 10,000 gun deaths a year and one mass shooting per day, and thats in years without pandemics. Conceal and carry and stand your ground laws have expanded significantly in the past 10 years alone. This is a recipe for disaster. 

Lol......and another one.

[Darth_Raichu]

11 minutes ago, Pseudoty said:

Same as with the Apple store it is because China and their citizens know how to behave in order to not spread the virus. Anyone entering China from any country automatic mandatory 14 day quarantine. Anyone wanting to enter the Apple store must wear a mask, be temp check and screened with an app they assess their risk based on where they live, where they have been and who they have interacted with. This app then scores you as a Red or Yellow = no entrance only Green get in. Once in you must keep 6 foot distance and on and on just a different world then the USA. 

Ah ok.  Is the app a new thing after CV?  I know most people in Asia walk around with masks on, especially when they are sick even before CV.

[BricksBrotha]

3 hours ago, NIevo said:

Which is why this whole thing is absolutely retarded.  Quarantine, test, treat, whatever the target group of individuals.  Let the world go about it's business without destroying economies and lives.  The knee jerk reactions to shut everything down and cause panic is absolutely pointless.  Ruining kids lives and taking away functions and sports that they've busted their butts for is stupid. 

Anyone over 55-60 or with serious medical conditions should be the ones quarantined and kept safe.  Let the rest of us take care of things that are at low or no risk and let it run it's course. 

Your first statement I bolded was very ill worded imho.  However, I agree the hysteria is causing more alarm than most, but the severity of the virus should also not be underestimated.  These events should also emphasize on having a national plan or the very least individual state plans, since we know quick reaction is crucial. 

The idea to allow the healthy population to 'deal with it', unfortunately viruses are not that simple. To allow a novel virus to run a muck, even throughout a perceived healthy population, could have devastating effects.  This thing has mutated once, to ignore the possibility of it mutating again would be highly advised against.  If the target host of Covid-19 (Corona Virus Disease 2019) was males 18-55, i feel like your tone would be very different.

 

Stay safe folks, and stay home.  

 

Edited March 18, 2020 by BricksBrotha
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[Foreman Porgy]

48 minutes ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

Can someone explain the quarantining thing to me?  If we all hole up for a couple weeks and then go back to business as usual won't we get the kung flu then?  I get that we're trying to "flatten the curve", but won't there always be somebody running around with this infecting other people?  Yes, I understand we're trying not to overrun the hospitals but it just seems like we're delaying the inevitable.

 

It’s not delaying the inevitable. It’s putting our healthcare workers in a position to where they hopefully don’t have to pick and choose who gets to live. By not delaying the spread, we will overwhelm the healthcare system, which in turn, will result in more fatalities. As Dr Fauci said a few days ago, We as a society need to “hunker down” in order to slow the spread. 

[Pseudoty]

18 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Ah ok.  Is the app a new thing after CV?  I know most people in Asia walk around with masks on, especially when they are sick even before CV.

I think it’s just built into their WeChat app. There is a Canadian youtuber Daniel Dumbril. that owns breweries in Shenzhen he streams daily has a wife and 4 kids living there and he did a video showing the process. I can post a video but it won’t be that one. 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2020 by Pseudoty

[NIevo]

5 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

Your first statement I bolded was very ill worded imho.  However, I agree the hysteria is causing more alarm than most, but the severity of the virus should also not be underestimated.  These events should also emphasize on having a national plan or the very least individual state plans, since we know quick reaction is crucial. 

The idea to allow the healthy population to 'deal with it', unfortunately viruses are not that simple. To allow a novel virus to run a muck, even throughout a perceived healthy population, could have devastating effects.  This thing has mutated once, to ignore the possibility of it mutating again would be highly advised. If the target host of Covid-19 (Corona Virus Disease 2019) was males 18-55, i feel like your tone would be very different.

 

Stay safe folks, and stay home.  

 

Ehh, I stand by my first statement.  Severity of the virus I feel is being overestimated outside the target age/sickness group which is why I stated that group is the one that should be quarantined and taken care of.

If the target audience was different I would still feel the same way, just that the focus should be shifted toward that group.

 

[Ed Mack]

The cable news hype bothers me the most.  For weeks, Dr. Fauci and the rest of the officials said that when the tests are up and running, the cases will explode and go straight up.  Well, the tests are up and running and more are coming online everyday and the numbers are increasing drastically.  Yet, the clowns on the news are asking the doctors, "Why are the number increasing so fast?" and "This is horrible and unexpected."  Really?  Seriously, this is the stuff that causes the panic for the average person not paying attention.  Plus, they also don't mention that the death rate decreases each day as well in the US with the exploding infection counts.  Very skewed angles and opinions to gain maximum clicks and ratings.

[NIevo]

Here's what I don't get in regards to how drastic of measures are being taken for such a small risk to 99% of the population.  Worldwide there are roughly:

1.3million deaths a year to auto accidents

1.8millions deaths a year to alcohol

6million deaths a year to smoking

Yet these numbers are for the most part completely acceptable because god forbid we take away somebodies luxuries for the sake of 9million deaths a year.  These things however don't discriminate against certain age groups or illnesses.  My 4 kids are a million times more likely to get killed by a car or second hand smoke then the Coronavirus yet their lives are being upended because of it.

 

[benjamin4172]

21 minutes ago, NIevo said:

Ehh, I stand by my first statement.  Severity of the virus I feel is being overestimated outside the target age/sickness group which is why I stated that group is the one that should be quarantined and taken care of.

If the target audience was different I would still feel the same way, just that the focus should be shifted toward that group.

 

It is not underestimated, but there is not so much information available about it. And did you know the risky groups are also smokers, obese people and everyone with an undetected heart failure. Also men are more often infected as women are. Of course these are also only little percentages, but I wouldnt want to take a chance and keep working, wait and see. For such plans you would need facts which we do not really have at this point.

19 minutes ago, NIevo said:

Here's what I don't get in regards to how drastic of measures are being taken for such a small risk to 99% of the population.  Worldwide there are roughly:

1.3million deaths a year to auto accidents

1.8millions deaths a year to alcohol

6million deaths a year to smoking

Yet these numbers are for the most part completely acceptable because god forbid we take away somebodies luxuries for the sake of 9million deaths a year.  These things however don't discriminate against certain age groups or illnesses.  My 4 kids are a million times more likely to get killed by a car or second hand smoke then the Coronavirus yet their lives are being upended because of it.

 

That is a good point.

[iahawks550]

35 minutes ago, NIevo said:

Here's what I don't get in regards to how drastic of measures are being taken for such a small risk to 99% of the population.  Worldwide there are roughly:

1.3million deaths a year to auto accidents

1.8millions deaths a year to alcohol

6million deaths a year to smoking

Yet these numbers are for the most part completely acceptable because god forbid we take away somebodies luxuries for the sake of 9million deaths a year.  These things however don't discriminate against certain age groups or illnesses.  My 4 kids are a million times more likely to get killed by a car or second hand smoke then the Coronavirus yet their lives are being upended because of it.

 

You are talking about personal choices with alcohol and smoking. Auto accidents have been deemed a necessary evil by society, and steps have been taken over the years to address the numbers. 

This virus is not a personal choice and it's killing a demographic that has no protection against it. 

[legopocalypse]

 

[BricksBrotha]

35 minutes ago, NIevo said:

Worldwide there are roughly:

1.3million deaths a year to auto accidents

1.8millions deaths a year to alcohol

6million deaths a year to smoking

Answer lies within your statement. No one wants to call all of these what they are but they are all big businesses and big money involved but only individual sectors. All have their own lobbyists help craft policy to their own benefit. Has been happening for decades. 
 

Covid-19 has no lobbyists, no friends pulling favors, all stocks nose diving. 

I tend to find it interesting how when people claim to not understand how viruses work, then  on the other hand demand answers.