COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[BricksBrotha]

5 hours ago, dennugsmello said:

Right there with you man. 

Wife is in first trimester with our third. Scary stuff, compounded by how little we know about this and pregnancy. Is she going to have a natural birth or C-section? Mine will need a C-section which is a bit concerning. 

Stay safe man and best of luck. We were planning for natural birth but we will see how this all pans out. Almost all Dr's appointments are being canceled/teleconference. Really hoping we can come together as a nation and get the social distancing in full effect so a few months down the road we see our numbers level off and the panic has reduced.

If you look at the 1918 graph someone shared earlier.  We the US are essentially Balitimore/Philly back then, since we didnt react as early as we could have.  This allows the virus to SPREAD. 

 Now we have to live through the reality of the apex of infections. And as each state has their own plans, we will see some states not take is as seriously and be worse off. This is the unfortunate reality we are in now. 

 

1 hour ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

not 100% true

Doctors have a tool that's been around for about 100 years and plenty of data in terms of efficacy and epidemiology.

Blood/serum transfusion from recovered patients have known to significantly reduce the impact of exposure and mitigate symptom and reduce recovery time.

Not a vaccine or a cure; but will definitely help recovery and help/prevent extreme cases.

Since this is not allowed in our country and still highly researched, i would say its not a viable course of treatment at present. In the future, yes, if we can get rid of all the hurdles/restrictions of handling the actual contaminated specimen.  If anything, Im hoping this makes alot of people wake up, and maybe we put into place an action plan if this was to ever happen again.  Cut off travel early, bars, churches, airports, everything. Reduce the amount of built up panic and sell offs. If we know what to expect, alot less people would be spooked and more would be prepared.

7 hours ago, BrickLegacy said:

Great post.  Thanks for sharing this.  One minor edit above. 

hahah thanks man, we needed a good laugh. 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by BricksBrotha

[Ed Mack]

4 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

Stay safe man and best of luck. We were planning for natural birth but we will see how this all pans out. Almost all Dr's appointments are being canceled/teleconference. Really hoping we can come together as a nation and get the social distancing in full effect so a few months down the road we see our numbers level off and the panic has reduced.

If you look at the 1918 graph someone shared earlier.  We the US are essentially Balitimore/Philly back then, since we didnt react as early as we could have.  This allows the virus to SPREAD. 

 Now we have to live through the reality of the apex of infections. And as each state has their own plans, we will see some states not take is as seriously and be worse off. This is the unfortunate reality we are in now. 

 

Since this is not allowed in our country and still highly researched, i would say its not a viable course of treatment at present. In the future, yes, if we can get rid of all the hurdles/restrictions of handling the actual contaminated specimen.  If anything, Im hoping this makes alot of people wake up, and maybe we put into place an action plan if this was to ever happen again.  Cut off travel early, bars, churches, airports, everything. Reduce the amount of built up panic and sell offs. If we know what to expect, alot let people wouldnt be as spooked.

hahah thanks man, we needed a good laugh. 

 

 

I think this will be a great lesson for nations, especially for many in this country.  This has to be treated as almost another "department" in the government, like defense, commerce, whatever...and get serious funding.  You know there will be worse ones down the road.

[Ed Mack]

Tom Brady is signing with the Buccaneers.  The world as we know it is over.

[BricksBrotha]

Unfortunately, i hate to make it political because I am very moderate and tend to disagree with every politician. But that doesnt take away the fact "in 2018 the Trump administration fired key officials (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/) connected to the U.S. pandemic response, and they were not replaced."

 

This would seem counter-intuitive to our nation's readiness or ability to assess and respond.

 

1 minute ago, Ed Mack said:

 You know there will be worse ones down the road.

History would agree with you on that. 

 

 

[Ed Mack]

1 hour ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

not 100% true

Doctors have a tool that's been around for about 100 years and plenty of data in terms of efficacy and epidemiology.

Blood/serum transfusion from recovered patients have known to significantly reduce the impact of exposure and mitigate symptom and reduce recovery time.

Not a vaccine or a cure; but will definitely help recovery and help/prevent extreme cases.

https://www.scribd.com/document/452072267/Convalescent-Serum-for-the-Treatment-of-Critical-Coronavirus-Patients

[benjamin4172]

I also agree. I think also in Germany there are a lot of lessons learned until this is over.

I myself prepare to at least the end of June when social life is becoming a bit back to normal again.

And dont get me wrong on that, of course the Virus will be still around, but at least there are many people imune by then and hopefully we flattened the curve and did not loose so many on the way.

In the news I see the Virus finally arrived in the minds of the majority of U.S. citizens by now. The bad thing is up to now you flew without sight(no tests) so nobody can predict how much its already spread. So please if you can, lock yourselves in for the next four weeks at least.

Wherever you are - I wish you and your Families all the best.

[Pseudoty]

Reputable study lives in air for 3 hours that is why we need masks.  Someone coughs in a phone booth (remember them) and you walk in 2 hours later bam  

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/new-coronavirus-stable-hours-surfaces

 

[Ed Mack]

8 minutes ago, Pseudoty said:

Reputable study lives in air for 3 hours that is why we need masks.  Someone coughs in a phone booth (remember them) and you walk in 2 hours later bam  

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/new-coronavirus-stable-hours-surfaces

 

LOL...Phone booth.

[crayxlp]

On 3/17/2020 at 1:09 AM, Alpinemaps said:

First of all, 25 million people died in Europe during the Black Plague. So, not the first time.

Secondly - its not nearly that black and white. Mortality depends on a lot of factors - age of population, immunocompromised, etc. A country with a much higher number of young, healthy people will have a much better shot than say Italy, with over 20% over 60, and a very touchy cultural.

First of all, 25 million people died in Europe during the Black Plague. So, not the first time.

EXCUSE ME.. this is really an unacceptable "cheap shot"  .. comparing technological, scientifical and other advances to a situation HUNDRED years ago.. lets start comparing your NASDAQ, NYSE and SnP market stocks to a Great Depression.. 

[Alpinemaps]

First of all, 25 million people died in Europe during the Black Plague. So, not the first time.

 

EXCUSE ME.. this is really an unacceptable "cheap shot"  .. comparing technological, scientifical and other advances to a situation HUNDRED years ago.. lets start comparing your NASDAQ, NYSE and SnP market stocks to a Great Depression.. 

Settle down my friend. You’re looking for conflict where none exists. No cheap shot was intended.

[Bold-Arrow]

California Governor: Most Schools Likely Out Until the Fall

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/california-governor-most-schools-likely-out-until-the-fall/2287742/?fbclid=IwAR3fGjo0KPwpsq2UEjAW4bigjWwcgNW_6NHEdvJv4Xam6R_HL1hOBFchhS8

 

[$20 on joe vs dan]

1 hour ago, Ed Mack said:

LOL...Phone booth.

apparently superman is in danger after the last super hero changed costume there

[BricksBrotha]

1 hour ago, Ed Mack said:

https://www.scribd.com/document/452072267/Convalescent-Serum-for-the-Treatment-of-Critical-Coronavirus-Patients

cant even get enough tests to each states, let alone breaching normal fda protocol on development of treatments and vaccines.  But yes, in a perfect world, we would have already had the cure before it arrived.

 

[brickolodon]

California Governor: Most Schools Likely Out Until the Fall

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/california-governor-most-schools-likely-out-until-the-fall/2287742/?fbclid=IwAR3fGjo0KPwpsq2UEjAW4bigjWwcgNW_6NHEdvJv4Xam6R_HL1hOBFchhS8
 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/livestream-sisolak-orders-30-day-closure-of-nonessential-businesses-1983950/

[Alpinemaps]

California Governor: Most Schools Likely Out Until the Fall

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/california-governor-most-schools-likely-out-until-the-fall/2287742/?fbclid=IwAR3fGjo0KPwpsq2UEjAW4bigjWwcgNW_6NHEdvJv4Xam6R_HL1hOBFchhS8
 

Damnit

[waddamon]

So yesterday there were 17 presumed positive cases and zero actual confirmed positive cases.  Today it says 23 positive cases since the CDC no longer has to confirm that they are actually positive cases.  That seems real fishy and dumb to me.  I take what they say with a grain of salt.  Being a small state of 2.5 million or so folks I'm not worried at all and now the main center for disease control isn't even confirming this, just throw up numbers.  So overblown.

[ravenb99]

20 minutes ago, waddamon said:

So yesterday there were 17 presumed positive cases and zero actual confirmed positive cases.  Today it says 23 positive cases since the CDC no longer has to confirm that they are actually positive cases.  That seems real fishy and dumb to me.  I take what they say with a grain of salt.  Being a small state of 2.5 million or so folks I'm not worried at all and now the main center for disease control isn't even confirming this, just throw up numbers.  So overblown.

least you got it figured out and don't have anything to worry about...

[waddamon]

Worrying doesn't add a day to my life, just takes them away.  I have always been germ conscious and done just fine, when life is always frought with things that can cause me harm.  I just don't think it is very genuine to move the goal posts.  If I was ignorant and didn't  know the previous information I would be duped to believe what they are telling me with the new number.

[brickolodon]

[$20 on joe vs dan]

1 hour ago, ravenb99 said:

least you got it figured out and don't have anything to worry about...

nationwide likely more folks worried about work, schools (childcare), and running out of TP than actually worried about getting Covid-19. 

[KvHulk]

Come on all! Cheer up! We're all getting $1000 (or so)! This fixes everything. kappa.

[ravenb99]

Just now, $20 on joe vs dan said:

nationwide likely more folks worried about work, schools (childcare), and running out of TP than actually worried about getting Covid-19. 

That was my point...  same type posts just a different topic

[$20 on joe vs dan]

I think the news coming from New York exemplifies how little the country's leadership has learned so far and is STILL failing miserably

Mayor tries to warn his city to prepare for a shut-in-place mandate like CA and the Governor completely contradicts him by first making it political (mayor has no such authority) than uses "reasons" and shows off his ignorance by stating it wouldn't work because New Yorkers are too "stubborn" (my euphemism for stupid, ignorant, law breakers, noncompliant, stupid again, selfish...as if one US city has cornered the market on such characteristics).

 

Edited March 18, 2020 by $20 on joe vs dan

[Datoyman]

1 hour ago, waddamon said:

Being a small state of 2.5 million or so folks I'm not worried at all 

Yeah I heard the smaller the state less to worry about where do we find these people. Climate change a hoax too what Fox News told me must be true

[$20 on joe vs dan]

Anyone find any info on what PREVENTS infection?

It's a novel virus so no one is supposed to be immune to it but there are weird examples as:

"Eight of the 20 initial crew members with confirmed cases shared a cabin; five of those eight cabin mates had also developed the illness as of March 4."

That's from a description from the Princess Cruise ship that was a "worse case" scenario for those aboard, but even sharing a tiny crew cabin with 5 infected persons for a long duration, 3 crew members did not get sick.  HOW?