COVID-19 / Coronavirus Discussion

[Mathew]

13 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

At this point in time, Biohazard would be a fair label for the unvaccinated. I truly hope you are able to stay safe and healthy through all this.  Even people I disagree with, I still wish the best for them. 

 

 

We’re all biohazards mofo 😘
 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

“"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," Walensky told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death -- they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."

 

Interesting that she used the term “anymore”. So at one time the vaccine was able prevent transmission. But not anymore. So Dr. Walensky where is the science behind “anymore”?

Edited August 21, 2021 by Mathew

[BricksBrotha]

6 minutes ago, Mathew said:

We’re all biohazards mofo 😘

Just as in any case, some more than others. ✌️ 

[Mathew]

11 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

Just as in any case, some more than others. ✌️ 

Probably you more than me. I had covid and got vaxxed. By all standards of science I should be able to take on whatever zombie apocalypse the wuhan lab throws at me. 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Mathew

[Darth_Raichu]

4 hours ago, Bold-Arrow said:

what exactly is this thread trying to achieve 

To help @jaisonline exercise his mods muscles

[fuzzy_bricks]

12 minutes ago, BricksBrotha said:

This. Absolutely agree 100%. Its almost, almost unbelievable how many regular 'joes' like to argue with what the current science is telling us. 'They keep moving the goal posts!'  Ha! How many Pandemics have you been apart of?    Honest question, would it be considered an argument if one person is a medical profession and the other isn't but the topic is vaccination? Would those same Medical Professionals but onsite of construction arguing about whether studs should be spaced 16 or 24 in on-center?

I'm in construction, so I like this comparison for a couple reasons.  First there are many different trades involved in a project, just like there are many different specialists one could go see for an ailment.  Just because I have contractor on a project, doesn't mean he is actually good at what needs to be done, he may be able to find a subcontractor but he doesn't posses the skillset to do all the aspects of a project.  Similar to my family doctor, he can't possibly know everything, sure he probably touched on a lot of subjects in school, but that doesn't necessarily make him an expert on the topic of this coronavirus. 

That brings me to my second comparison, reps bring by products that they want to use all the time, flooring, lighting, everything in a building.  Once again, it is impossible to know everything about all these products so we rely on our relationships with the representatives.  We trust that they will take care of any issues if the product fails.  It's not until a product get used on a job if we know it's actually a good product and even then we need time to discover any issues.  I assume this is similar for the pharma reps that visit doctors, they bring products that solve issues the doctors are seeing.  I don't believe that the doctors know everything about these products, they rely on the information provided to them.  It's not until later, after some time that issues pop up.

It's not that I don't believe or trust my doctor, or think that I know better than him, it's that I know he is only as good as the information he is given.  It seems like all the information is so positive and there is no downside, but that's never the case.

[Phil B]

36 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Interesting that she used the term “anymore”. So at one time the vaccine was able prevent transmission. But not anymore. So Dr. Walensky where is the science behind “anymore”?

If a large enough part of the population had been vaccinated (I believe 75%+), the vaccine would have been able to prevent transmission. But because we didn't even get to 50% in most cases, we created hotspots where the virus could experiment and mutate, and cause strains that are not fully covered by the vaccine (but you are still protected against the biggest impacts of it, similar to the flu vaccine and regular flu).

[BricksBrotha]

7 minutes ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

I'm in construction  

All great examples and agree also exist in the medical world.  However, deflects from the original analogy.  How would you feel if a Medical professional, say an orthopedic surgeon, showed up to a site and demandwd he wanted studs 30in apart. You pleaded with him telling the structural integrity would be compromised and cause later problems, yet he persisted.  Then, two weeks later after construction was completed, total collapse.  Would you feel bad for him? Would you feel compelled to help him rebuild correctly? 
 

[jeff_14]

5 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Bullshit. Israel had the highest vaccination rate yet infections are surging. Regardless of how vaxxed a society is there will still be infections. 

No variant has originated in Israel. It’s mutating elsewhere and then travelling. This is why everyone needs to get to 75% or better

[keymomachine]

10 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Bullshit. Israel had the highest vaccination rate yet infections are surging. Regardless of how vaxxed a society is there will still be infections. 

Because travel and the actual 40% of the population that isn't vaccinated because kids and teens.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

I don't even understand what you're after or trying to prove anymore.

1. Universal masking works to slow the spread of the virus.

2. Vaccines are still quite effective at preventing serious infection and very good at preventing infections requiring hospitalization.

3. The rate of vaccine injury is insanely low compared to the risk of a bad case of Covid.

4. Resistance is Futile

5. You will be assimilated.

[jaisonline]

47 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

To help @jaisonline exercise his mods muscles

[CosmicSpeed]

If a large enough part of the population had been vaccinated (I believe 75%+), the vaccine would have been able to prevent transmission. But because we didn't even get to 50% in most cases, we created hotspots where the virus could experiment and mutate, and cause strains that are not fully covered by the vaccine (but you are still protected against the biggest impacts of it, similar to the flu vaccine and regular flu).

But that's the government's fault according to him...

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[lodibricks]

1 hour ago, BricksBrotha said:

 You better hope that is the case, especially since 2nd exposure is proving to be more fatal than first. 

Just wondering if you can clarify on that statement as I'm probably misinterpreting.
I thought I had read, in general, that variants can become more contagious or easily transmissible, but are often less deadly/dangerous.
Or if you're referring to someone catching COVID twice, I would still assume that the second time would be lessened by both vaccine and/or having already had it the first time (building natural immunity).

[elmaslıefendi]

57 minutes ago, keymomachine said:

I've followed the money before and mostly it's just rich people up at the top - some good some bad, mostly just folks who were fortunate to have been in the right place at the right time, to have been born into the family of the guy who came up with a good idea or a good way of doing something

Are you saying that there are certain wealthy & powerful families and that some of them are bad? Good idea or a good way of doing something? What about a bad idea or a bad way of doing something? 

Come on man, keymo, take of the tinfoil hat & get realistic, none of that is true. I honestly thought you were one of the most reasonable guys on this forum...

Edited August 21, 2021 by elmaslıefendi

[keymomachine]

20 minutes ago, elmaslıefendi said:

Are you saying that there are certain wealthy & powerful families and that some of them are bad? Good idea or a good way of doing something? What about a bad way or a bad way of doing something? 

Come on man, keymo, take of the tinfoil hat & get realistic, none of that is true. I honestly thought you were one of the most reasonable guys on this forum...

I have absolutely no idea what you're asking me. Have I met crummy rich people? Yes. Have I met decent rich people? Maybe? I think I am reasonable, please reason with me 🤪 (it's past reasonable o'clock for my brain though).

[BricksBrotha]

33 minutes ago, lodibricks said:

I was referring to repeat infections of COVID-19. Based on limited info coming out of China late 2019 and current data showing around half of COVID patients never fully recover, repeat infections are proving to be more of a serious threat despite what we are being told. Everyone is trying to form conclusions in a time of uncertainty.
Another thing to keep in mind as well is viral burden(load)seems to be one of the biggest factors, regardless of vaccination status. 

Covid is not behaving like most viruses we’ve become accustomed to. Long term side effects are being discovered everyday.  To assume the same theory of immunity of previous viruses would be unsafe in my honest opinion. 
 

As for the delta variant, let’s circle back in late fall and see where we land. 

[dennugsmello]

1 hour ago, Phil B said:

If a large enough part of the population had been vaccinated (I believe 75%+), the vaccine would have been able to prevent transmission. But because we didn't even get to 50% in most cases, we created hotspots where the virus could experiment

This was never possible and many of us said as much. We live in a global society and vaccinating the globe was always impossible. Of course variants will arise and travel in unvaccinated populations. This is a legitimate danger. However, Variants will also arise and travel in vaccinated populations with high breakthrough numbers. The virus can experiment in the vaccinated as well. A much lower chance yes, but a better chance of creating a variant capable of evading vaccines. 

The only way out is for the virus to keep mutating into less deadly strains which natural spreads historically produce. If a vaccine resistant strain mutates from the selective pressure an imperfect vaccine we could be in really trouble. I’m curious if all the breakthroughs cases in Israel eventually lead something along those lines. 

The silver lining of Delta is that its so contagious its hitting everywhere fast and wide. Maybe it’s potency will be covid 19s downfall by giving the world a speedy natural immunity, rendering all other variants dead in water. 
 

[BricksBrotha]

36 minutes ago, dennugsmello said:

The silver lining of Delta is that its so contagious its hitting everywhere fast and wide. Maybe it’s potency will be covid 19s downfall by giving the world a speedy natural immunity, rendering all other variants dead in water. 

My fear is how successful COVID is at avoiding natural immunity.(for a number of factors)The current variant could be the ground work for one that is both highly transmissible and severely symptomatic. 

[BricksBrotha]

3 minutes ago, Mathew said:

So you think getting high and taking care of a one year old is good parenting? 

Smh, when did I ever say that? 

So you extrapolate only what fits your narrative? 
 

Im surprised between all the name calling and topic changes, there hasn’t been a clean up in aisle Mathew.  Whatever gets the clicks I suppose. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[junkrigger]

I don’t think anyone here is denying the possibility of shadow government behind the scenes or saying all governing actors are interested in what is best for the general public, or that elected folks never lie for their own shady reasons. Or saying there are not any evil corporations run by people simply out to profit at the expense of peoples health, obvious examples are cig, alcohol and the sugar food industry, opioid pharm. Or that no one in higher Ed is a spy stealing secrets or doing evil research. But it seems way more likely to me that the CCP is behind Covid than our own gov, and it’s not likely that all gov and all Corp and all healthcare and all higher Ed are working against us the common folk. At every level of society, gov, Corp, etc are people and from what we all have seen this last year and throughout history is that some people are POS and some are pretty amazingly good and decent.


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[redcell]

and it’s not likely that all gov and all Corp and all healthcare and all higher Ed are working against us the common folk. At every level of society, gov, Corp, etc are people and from what we all have seen this last year and throughout history is that some people are POS and some are pretty amazingly good and decent.

It doesn't fit real well into the narrative that there are these organizations hidden from sight that are pulling the strings of our society and are always standing at the ready to provide a tortured and nonsensical explanation for pretty much anything that happens in the world in an effort to control us, but the reality is that the vast majority of "elites" and other people who wield power in our society are simply looking out for their own interests. Sure, you get the occasional rich old white guy who has enough money to try and influence things to his own ideological ends (e.g., the Koch brothers), but most rich white guys and gals who have money or are in positions of power are just working to feed their egos and/or bank accounts. But confronting that reality is whole lot less satisfying that believing that a cabal of satan-worshipping pedophiles are running both the government and a child sex trafficking ring out of a random pizza shop in Washington.


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[jaisonline]

 

[elmaslıefendi]

24 minutes ago, redcell said:

But most rich white guys and gals who have money or are in positions of power are just working to feed their egos and/or bank accounts. 

Do you really believe that? Do you believe someone with a 100 billion dollars cash on his card pursues the next billion or anything materialistic? It's all about money & ego? If so, then you have another idea of human psychology.

We are never satisfied. And if we are satisfied, e.g. men like you described, we search for other things to get to the next level.

If you believe Freud, we are animals, simply looking for attention from the opposite sex & do everything to get that attention. The whole idea of capitalism is built around that principal, that's his opinion. Accumulate wealth, attract partner, mate.

Well... these individuals can pretty much do whatever they want & date every woman under the sun who isn't married. Or is married, doesn't really matter.

After the 658th one night stand, stuff gets stale. That's when individuals with money, power, options & too much free time get lost in their thoughts, that's only natural, we're not prophets, not angels, we're humans, sinful beings. And everyone is different & unique, there's some good hearted people, there's some jerks & there are also some guys who are straight up evil. The 'straight up evil' + sociopath + good liar + power/money equation usually never works out too well & ends up in some really messed up affaires, deals & actions. If you're one of the richest guys on the planet, something will happen. If nothing happens, the mafia is everywhere, they want a piece of that cake. If a situation gets too hectic, someone disappears. The good guy can't overlook these moral barriers & gets stuck, can't reach his full 'potential'. That's why high level executives are all cold-hearted assholes, there is no other way to do the job. If you want to be the best, you have to step on some along the way, not everyone can get on the space ship to reach the top. 

What do you think if the combo from above reaches the state of satisfaction at the young age of 25? Will he remain in that situation or will he try some stuff he shouldn't try? 

[elmaslıefendi]

21 minutes ago, jaisonline said:

 

[BricksBrotha]

https://www.lex18.com/news/coronavirus/former-kentucky-state-rep-brent-yonts-dies-from-covid-19?_amp=true
 

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/unvaccinated-husband-of-missouri-lawmaker-dies-from-covid-19/amp/

[redcell]

Do you really believe that? Do you believe someone with a 100 billion dollars cash on his card pursues the next billion or anything materialistic? It's all about money & ego? If so, then you have another idea of human psychology.

I absolutely believe that based on what I've seen and experienced throughout my life. Now, I'm not saying that it applies to everyone, but the actions of those in power can generally be best understood in a framework of self-interest.

As for the rest of what you wrote, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make...maybe that rich guys are gonna do stuff if they don't killed by the mafia first? If so, I would agree.



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