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Star Wars went from legendary to mediocre. How are you guys still excited?
Because even at its worst, Star Wars is more enjoyable to watch than 95% of the other s#$% out there...with the exception of that Ewok thing in the 80s. People expect too much. Just enjoy the movies for what they are.

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Bringing all ships from all episodes back into the final episode gives Disney (and LEGO) a continuing reason to keep rehashing and remaking those models over and over and over and over ... The commercialism drive is strong in Disney ... Just keep the shareholders happy. Who cares about the fans?

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3 hours ago, redcell said:

Because even at its worst, Star Wars is more enjoyable to watch than 95% of the other s#$% out there...with the exception of that Ewok thing in the 80s. People expect too much. Just enjoy the movies for what they are.

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 A cash grab by Disney with no respect/regards  to the original characters  , story line , established rules , etc ... That’s what SW is now . Trash 

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1 minute ago, Bold-Arrow said:

 A cash grab by Disney with no respect/regards  to the original characters  , story line , established rules , etc ... That’s what SW is now . Trash 

I think the quality goes up when Filoni is involved.  We'll see with The Mandalorian too.

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Yes, from the perspective of someone who grew up with the first films, the new ones are going to disappoint but the younger generations seem to enjoy the recent films.

I can´t think of many franchises of more than 4 films where the later movies are stronger than the first ones - James Bond and F+F have had their highs and lows too.

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9 minutes ago, redcell said:

Well, one could argue that the lack of respect began way before Disney came into the picture...Jar Jar Binks and Hayden Christensen weren't exactly beacons of cinematic brilliance.

Nothing will ever live up to the originals because we're not the kids anymore that we were when we saw them the first time around. Nothing will ever compare to seeing ANH in the theater when I was 5 or standing in line to see Empire or that sinking feeling of emptiness when the credits began to roll at the end of ROTJ. But, you know, I don't give a f^&*...2.5 hours spent in a theater watching the SW universe is a heckuva a lot better than most other ways I could spend those 2.5 hours.

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Fair enough . I can agree with you on that . 

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10 hours ago, Jeff Mack said:

I have watched this 4 times now. Still trying to figure out if this is Star Wars or something that is trying to be Star Wars.  

Thank God for this scene

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and this scene

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Does this remind anyone of Endgame?

ON a side note: The most brilliant aspect of the recent movies is the justoposition of iconic star wars spaceships in on-planet environments. Really brings the scale and details into perspective and leaves so much more to the imagination. 

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At first viewing of the Final Trailer: I almost had goosebumps.  I guess there's still a glimmer of my inner child still clutching on.

And to respond to the general snarkiness about Disney and SW: I honestly think Lucas made bigger mistakes w/ the likes of JarJar Binks and casting than Disney.  Also, I would also prefer a new movie biannually like the James Bond Series (as another poster alluded); w/ the tempered expectations that some would be great and some Clunkers. 

Star Wars is something I can share w/ my Boy; so I'm ultimately grateful.

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Honestly, I'm stoked for this. I grew up with the Special Editions and the Prequels in theatres as a kid.  I get that the older folks don't care much for the new trilogy but as someone who's a fan of great spaceships and battles in a mythical opera setting, I'm hooked.  Each generation has a beginning and an ending. Star Wars belongs to everyone.

SPACESHIP! SPACESHIP! SPACESHIP!

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1 hour ago, redcell said:

Well, one could argue that the lack of respect began way before Disney came into the picture...Jar Jar Binks and Hayden Christensen weren't exactly beacons of cinematic brilliance.

Nothing will ever live up to the originals because we're not the kids anymore that we were when we saw them the first time around. Nothing will ever compare to seeing ANH in the theater when I was 5 or standing in line to see Empire or that sinking feeling of emptiness when the credits began to roll at the end of ROTJ. But, you know, I don't give a f^&*...2.5 hours spent in a theater watching the SW universe is a heckuva a lot better than most other ways I could spend those 2.5 hours.

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No need to bring up the old trilogies. I just wanted the new movies to be progressively better, 8 better than 7, 9 better than 8, etc. Ep 8 failed spectacularly on that regard.  It looks like there is no hope for ep9 (pun intended).  

14 minutes ago, redcell said:

I just hope that someone goes back and mines the Dawn of the Jedi/early Old Republic stories

I heard D&D are bringing their GoT magic to Disney Star Wars. :D :D :D

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Having a new movie out is like a commercial for any of the SW product we may have. especially before Christmas shopping. Good or bad we will likely want more when its all done.  I personally love the build up of a movie or series but am usually disappointed in it's chosen conclusion. No difference here. I don't blame Disney. But Horses?...Lame! freakin be creative with some kind of alien creature like a clever writer!   Solo wasn't too bad, I wonder if that rumored Boba Fett film will ever come around.  

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2 hours ago, Bold-Arrow said:

 A cash grab by Disney with no respect/regards  to the original characters  , story line , established rules , etc ... That’s what SW is now . Trash 

+1

7-9 have all been Disnified.  Tarkin would have vaporized Hux in front of his mother.  That's part of what made OT films (and to lesser degree PT) so great.  The almost palpable feeling between light and dark.  Bada$$es on both sides.  

In these latest films, I just can't take either side seriously.  Snoke was right when accurately describing Ren as 'a child with a mask'.  Poe and Finn are hopelessly incompetent.  I could go on.

So I don't give them a pass here.  'Hey, it's Star Wars man!'  is a poor excuse.  A new, improved iStarDestroyer 11 that's now water resistant will not drive me to the theater. 

Christopher Nolan set the bar with what good looks like in the modern superhero/sci-fi genre.  And maybe that's unfair, but at least show some effort.

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8 hours ago, elmaslıefendi said:

Star Wars went from legendary to mediocre. How are you guys still excited?

name any series of any genre that stayed "legendary" for 9 iterations 

there's a critical mass...probably 3 iterations at most before saturation and dilution kicks in.

I think the best we can hope for for "legendary" franchises are maybe 1 or 2 EPIC scenes that maintains or builds upon the originals...for example the MF chase scene through the Star Destroyer remains

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1 minute ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

name any series of any genre that stayed "legendary" for 9 iterations 

there's a critical mass...probably 3 iterations at most before saturation and dilution kicks in.

I think the best we can hope for for "legendary" franchises are maybe 1 or 2 EPIC scenes that maintains or builds upon the originals...for example the MF chase scene through the Star Destroyer remains

I'm personally a fan of the lightsaber fight in the snowy forest from TFA.  There was just rawness to it and some brutality.

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21 minutes ago, $20 on joe vs dan said:

name any series of any genre that stayed "legendary" for 9 iterations 

there's a critical mass...probably 3 iterations at most before saturation and dilution kicks in.

I think the best we can hope for for "legendary" franchises are maybe 1 or 2 EPIC scenes that maintains or builds upon the originals...for example the MF chase scene through the Star Destroyer remains

You're right, but why watch it then? I was so disappointed with EP7... came out of the cinema not knowing what just happened, I remember thinking: "EP1 is a masterpiece compared to this garbage!"

I'd gladly choose Jar Jar over Fin, Rose, Rey or whatever...

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18 minutes ago, TANV said:

I'm personally a fan of the lightsaber fight in the snowy forest from TFA.  There was just rawness to it and some brutality.

Funny how opinions differ. This exact scene is where the series, for me, drained into the feces infested black water storage of a Star Destroyer.

Presenting a fight between a weak, bumbling idiot of a storm trooper, and Jedi Master trained fighter and not seeing Finn cut down in one strike was beyond comprehension. Kylo would have slaughtered both Rey and Finn in that fight without trying, and through this failure his character became a weak and pathetic shell. After this moment, the whole franchise for me, died.

How can you create a good Star Wars movie, or any good vs. evil movie for that matter, if your "baddie" is a weakling? Fact is, you can't. Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker made the series one of the greatest franchises the world has ever seen. Rey and Kylo made it, forgettable...

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40 minutes ago, TANV said:

I'm personally a fan of the lightsaber fight in the snowy forest from TFA.  There was just rawness to it and some brutality.

You mean the scene where the one sun in the system had been destroyed and no longer produced any light, yet everyone could see each other without any light from the light-sabers? 

Lacking reasonable light aside, I liked the fight scene as well.  Right up until Rey became the "I win" character with no force training at all.

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