75192 - UCS: Millennium Falcon 2017

[ravenb99]

with secondary market of $1300-1500 no one will complain.  When it drops back down to normal then they will.

[flynnibus]

10 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

I agree.  It's a devious tactic in marketing.   What's even funnier is that people aren't even talking or complaining about an $800.00 LEGO set.  Normally, there would be a huge backlash around here about the MSRP.  Not with this set.  It's possible that some perceptive LEGO employee knew by creating this issue, combined with the limited early VIP release and signing event (which resulted in exploding values on secondary market sites), the $800.00 price tag would seem like a bargain.  

It all depends on how far you take it and if the product lives up to the hype.  So far, the set is seen as a worthy addition, so it hasn't fallen apart yet.  An example of a bridge too far..

Stern Pinball announces a Batman 66 game and to commemorate their 35th anniversary, they announce a "Super Limited Edition" of the game, in addition to the normal Premium and LE versions of the game.  The SLE would be limited to like 30 games (vs a normal run of usually 400-800 for a LE.. and several thousand for a normal title).  These SLE versions would only be made available to a select few..  originally inferring more like 'friends, staff, etc'.  Then, to market it, they invited the public to submit **video applications** to be considered to allow to buy this SLE title...  ?  A game, BTW, that no one has seen yet.  And SLEs were to be priced at like 15,000 - when a normal game cost 6000-8000.

So now, instead of just LE editions... we have SLE editions.. at almost no additional value except 'extremely limited' and you have to BEG to be able to buy one.  And suckers did it.. to the point AFTER the fact, the company revealed they were increasing the # of games to be made.

So the majority call their BS... but the blind buy in... lured by the 'exclusivity' this model will have.  Then they actually ship the game.. and it's incomplete, uninspired, and largely forgettable.  A year later, people are still hoping and begging software updates will come to complete the game.

It was the 'jump the shark' moment for their push to try to create exclusivity and artificial demand for a title.

[Ed Mack]

51 minutes ago, flynnibus said:

It all depends on how far you take it and if the product lives up to the hype.  So far, the set is seen as a worthy addition, so it hasn't fallen apart yet.  An example of a bridge too far..

Stern Pinball announces a Batman 66 game and to commemorate their 35th anniversary, they announce a "Super Limited Edition" of the game, in addition to the normal Premium and LE versions of the game.  The SLE would be limited to like 30 games (vs a normal run of usually 400-800 for a LE.. and several thousand for a normal title).  These SLE versions would only be made available to a select few..  originally inferring more like 'friends, staff, etc'.  Then, to market it, they invited the public to submit **video applications** to be considered to allow to buy this SLE title...  ?  A game, BTW, that no one has seen yet.  And SLEs were to be priced at like 15,000 - when a normal game cost 6000-8000.

So now, instead of just LE editions... we have SLE editions.. at almost no additional value except 'extremely limited' and you have to BEG to be able to buy one.  And suckers did it.. to the point AFTER the fact, the company revealed they were increasing the # of games to be made.

So the majority call their BS... but the blind buy in... lured by the 'exclusivity' this model will have.  Then they actually ship the game.. and it's incomplete, uninspired, and largely forgettable.  A year later, people are still hoping and begging software updates will come to complete the game.

It was the 'jump the shark' moment for their push to try to create exclusivity and artificial demand for a title.

I guess one can see a similar situation with these 150 signed sets and cards distributed in the Leicester LEGO store.   Right now, they are extremely rare, but if other signing events start popping up with the same or better autographs, the values will plummet.  It's a huge risk right now to hold onto these sets and expect even higher returns later.  The  main launch of the set to the general non-VIP public hasn't even occurred.  I wouldn't be surprised if there is another signing event very soon.  

[Val-E]

Ebay prices are trending down to sub 900 GBP unsigned and the signed ones just seem to be getting relisted - maybe due to non payers?

[thedingman5]

2 hours ago, Ed Mack said:

I agree.  It's a devious tactic in marketing.   What's even funnier is that people aren't even talking or complaining about an $800.00 LEGO set.  Normally, there would be a huge backlash around here about the MSRP.  Not with this set.  It's possible that some perceptive LEGO employee knew by creating this issue, combined with the limited early VIP release and signing event (which resulted in exploding values on secondary market sites), the $800.00 price tag would seem like a bargain.  

...AND...all of those $100, $150, $200+ sets suddenly don't seem so expensive.  

I don't think  75192 is a true "loss leader", but it damn sure checks a lot of boxes as if it were.

[Val-E]

I don´t buy it is a loss leader. The chassis is the same as 10179 and not many new parts. For the amount of bricks it is around the 10c part reference and for weight is better than DS but average.

Your loss leaders are the sets they practically give away to amazon and TRU to recruit new blood. See Nexo, SH girls.

Edited September 20, 2017 by Val-E

[Ed Mack]

10 minutes ago, Val-E said:

Ebay prices are trending down to sub 900 GBP unsigned and the signed ones just seem to be getting relisted - maybe due to non payers?

That's why it's tricky to gauge the value of these sets off of eBay sales.  Sold listings are one thing....Completed and PAID listings are another.  eBay doesn't let you know if it was PAID for.  

[TargetZero]

2 hours ago, flynnibus said:

It all depends on how far you take it and if the product lives up to the hype.  So far, the set is seen as a worthy addition, so it hasn't fallen apart yet.  An example of a bridge too far..

Stern Pinball announces a Batman 66 game and to commemorate their 35th anniversary, they announce a "Super Limited Edition" of the game, in addition to the normal Premium and LE versions of the game.  The SLE would be limited to like 30 games (vs a normal run of usually 400-800 for a LE.. and several thousand for a normal title).  These SLE versions would only be made available to a select few..  originally inferring more like 'friends, staff, etc'.  Then, to market it, they invited the public to submit **video applications** to be considered to allow to buy this SLE title...    A game, BTW, that no one has seen yet.  And SLEs were to be priced at like 15,000 - when a normal game cost 6000-8000.

So now, instead of just LE editions... we have SLE editions.. at almost no additional value except 'extremely limited' and you have to BEG to be able to buy one.  And suckers did it.. to the point AFTER the fact, the company revealed they were increasing the # of games to be made.

So the majority call their BS... but the blind buy in... lured by the 'exclusivity' this model will have.  Then they actually ship the game.. and it's incomplete, uninspired, and largely forgettable.  A year later, people are still hoping and begging software updates will come to complete the game.

It was the 'jump the shark' moment for their push to try to create exclusivity and artificial demand for a title.

it's kinda false publicity, and you can sue them for that if you have the proof that it was announced to be extremely limited, and then they decided to do more, it called false publicity.. would be to easy to screw off people, so if they did so... well... they are laws that protect people from this, if the company charged a prestine price for the exclusivity, ...   

 

I mean I advertise a extremely limited run of a thing, like 50, with certificat etc and charged twice the price for that exclusivity.. And then later do to succes, they decided to do more. half price...pretty sure I would get my cash back, becasue its called a scam.

Edited September 20, 2017 by TargetZero

[Val-E]

56 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

That's why it's tricky to gauge the value of these sets off of eBay sales.  Sold listings are one thing....Completed and PAID listings are another.  eBay doesn't let you know if it was PAID for.  

No sales platform does AFAIK so it´s easy to manipulate results, especially of auctions. 2 or 3 people who had hours to kill in the queue could esily shill bid and push values up.

[Shewie]

No MILF's in London on 1st October. Maybe something on website but nothing in stores.

[Jeff Mack]

33 minutes ago, Val-E said:

No sales platform does AFAIK so it´s easy to manipulate results, especially of auctions. 2 or 3 people who had hours to kill in the queue could esily shill bid and push values up.

This happens on most new sets that people will want.  Some get it early and get it started off nice and high.  After 2-3 months it will go to below normal values unless its a Saturn V or this Falcon.

[flynnibus]

2 hours ago, Ed Mack said:

I guess one can see a similar situation with these 150 signed sets and cards distributed in the Leicester LEGO store.   Right now, they are extremely rare, but if other signing events start popping up with the same or better autographs, the values will plummet.  It's a huge risk right now to hold onto these sets and expect even higher returns later.  The  main launch of the set to the general non-VIP public hasn't even occurred.  I wouldn't be surprised if there is another signing event very soon.  

Well the cards/sets represent two very different things...  unlike normal lego 'investing' where it's about a product that is desired and simply harder to get..  this card/signing is about a Lego "collectible" itself.  But as you say, it's "collectible" value is dubious at best.  The signatures.. of people no one cares about?  Who is going to care about that name in the future?  

They are a neat idea, and I'm sure some people will be willing to pay a premium for them even down the road... but premium as in 'nice to have', doubtful anyone but a handful of nuts will pay multipliers for them.  It's nice - but pay 2-3x for it?  I certainly wouldn't want to buy in to speculate on that.  

[Floriano]

Well, just called Disney Springs store in Orlando and talked to the manager. Guy was nice on the phone despite mention to receiving 40 calls a days about the MF. He has some expectations to receive some units by the end of this week or beginning of the next one. Won't have a waiting/notification list. Should put a sign on the window the day before they actually have some to sell on the store.  

Edited September 20, 2017 by Floriano
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[Kesh]

5 hours ago, Val-E said:

Hear hear. Who´s talking about Old Fishing Store or London Bus now?

Well, I took a detour via Oberhausen and decided to buy the bus. I figured it's a nice box for my star wars minifigs. :-)

Also saw the Falcon on display. Man... you can't really imagine how huge this is until you see it in real life. Impressive. Of course the shop did not have any. I am going to wait. Seeing it in real life really makes me wonder even more where to put it.

Heard parents mumble things like... pfff 800 Euros. The kids in the shop were actually more interested in other sets. I guess that is was pretty obvious to them that this is not a playset.

Well... having no speed limit on the highway is also an attraction once in a while.

[Captain_chaos]

1 hour ago, Val-E said:

No sales platform does AFAIK so it´s easy to manipulate results, especially of auctions. 2 or 3 people who had hours to kill in the queue could esily shill bid and push values up.

I'm purely speculating, but I would not be at all surprised if some sellers are taking advantage of FVF promotions to 'sell' certain sets to friends, or themselves, for hugely inflated prices. They can then list them properly, after having created the illusion that people will pay such prices for them, and all it cost them was £1.

[Will 4]

6 hours ago, Val-E said:

Hear hear. Who´s talking about Old Fishing Store or London Bus now?

Don't forget the train station. Maybe i'm being optomistic but could they fly under the radar of people.

 

[Shewie]

1 hour ago, Captain_chaos said:

I'm purely speculating, but I would not be at all surprised if some sellers are taking advantage of FVF promotions to 'sell' certain sets to friends, or themselves, for hugely inflated prices. They can then list them properly, after having created the illusion that people will pay such prices for them, and all it cost them was £1.

that's fishy AF. That potential scenario didn't even crossed my mind.

[Bold-Arrow]

Lil Timmy is trolling me 

 

 

[Crzypengu]

For anyone Interested about what steps you pass the piece count for the 10179 UCS Millennium Falcon and the Taj Mahal then here it is. I worked with a calculator for about 30 minutes going through the instruction booklet to get this information and if it is all accounted for then these would be the steps to surpass each set. For the 10179 LEGO UCS Millennium Falcon you will reach 5197 pieces in bag 12 of 75192 on step 920 which can be found on page 367. For the set 10189 Taj Mahal you will pass over 5922 pieces in bag 13 on step 1027 which can be found on page 398. I am actually adding up the number of pieces in each bag so I may or may not post those piece amounts on here as well.

[mezzaluna]

For anyone Interested about what steps you pass the piece count for the 10179 UCS Millennium Falcon and the Taj Mahal then here it is. I worked with a calculator for about 30 minutes going through the instruction booklet to get this information and if it is all accounted for then these would be the steps to surpass each set. For the 10179 LEGO UCS Millennium Falcon you will reach 5197 pieces in bag 12 of 75192 on step 920 which can be found on page 367. For the set 10189 Taj Mahal you will pass over 5922 pieces in bag 13 on step 1027 which can be found on page 398. I am actually adding up the number of pieces in each bag so I may or may not post those piece amounts on here as well.

Thats some dedication!

[eliminator]

Got in the door from the airport tonight and this was waiting for me...

I officially have the best wife ever. I can't believe she went to the store for opening and then dragged this beast through the mall! 

[Val-E]

3 hours ago, Crzypengu said:

For anyone Interested about what steps you pass the piece count for the 10179 UCS Millennium Falcon and the Taj Mahal then here it is. I worked with a calculator for about 30 minutes going through the instruction booklet to get this information and if it is all accounted for then these would be the steps to surpass each set. For the 10179 LEGO UCS Millennium Falcon you will reach 5197 pieces in bag 12 of 75192 on step 920 which can be found on page 367. For the set 10189 Taj Mahal you will pass over 5922 pieces in bag 13 on step 1027 which can be found on page 398. I am actually adding up the number of pieces in each bag so I may or may not post those piece amounts on here as well.

Has anyone compared the build steps in the 75192 and 10179 instructions? At what point to they start to be different?

Edited September 21, 2017 by Val-E

[Fenix_2k1]

1 hour ago, Val-E said:

Has anyone compared the build steps in the 75192 and 10179 instructions? At what point to they start to be different?

Haven't started building it yet (still finishing MOC UCS U-Wing) but I'd imagine early on.  The structure was changed to allow for interior spaces and the build is apparently more modular than 10179.

[Haydencoe]

I guess one can see a similar situation with these 150 signed sets and cards distributed in the Leicester LEGO store.   Right now, they are extremely rare, but if other signing events start popping up with the same or better autographs, the values will plummet.  It's a huge risk right now to hold onto these sets and expect even higher returns later.  The  main launch of the set to the general non-VIP public hasn't even occurred.  I wouldn't be surprised if there is another signing event very soon.  

They also promised to ship signed copies to people who missed out after the queue had been filled so they might start popping up soon.

[Blake3741]

They don't want the set...They want the box with wheels!

You should know, one of the wheels fell off of my box while I was pulling this monster from my car to my house. I was pulling it with one hand and pushing a stroller with the other. It kind of sucked, since I had to strong arm it the rest of the way. At least the box handle held tightly to the box.

Not that it was unexpected or means much; LEGO Shop at Home limit dropped to 2.

I never saw the Lego SAH limit at two. Always one, even on 9/14, when I looked at 8 in the morning.