75192 - UCS: Millennium Falcon 2017

[Floriano]

6x 1? Restock?https://youtu.be/JavnaBxjRww

[jaisonline]

12 minutes ago, Floriano said:

6x 1? Restock?https://youtu.be/JavnaBxjRww

too good to be true.  i want proof.

no way he gets the following sets (eve in used condition) : Imperial Flagship, GBHQ, Porsche, latest UCS SnowSpeeder,  UCS Slave 1 and Disney Cinderella's Castle.

...and if it the trade is factual, the friendship might end soon enough as it was totally one-sided( even if the friend is Richie Rich).

one $800 set for $,2000 worth of sets ?

[BaconBoss2015]

1 hour ago, Ed Mack said:

You are being kind.  Let's face it, this whole "We didn't think it would be so popular" response is a calculated can of spam.  Of course they knew.  Of course they could have made more.  If they didn't think so, someone should be fired for incompetence.  Even LEGO is getting into the spin and fake news business.  Let's artificially inflate the interest around the set to stir lackluster sales.  Sad thing is, they didn't have to do that with this set, but I guess they are getting nervous about future profits in general.  

I also wonder if it all backfired on them.  The prices of the available 75192s on eBay is only fueling the flipping market again and pissing more people off....Or behind closed doors, do they want to see these prices hit crazy levels?  

You know, one thing I've been turning over in my mind is this...how many people do we think were actually hitting the TLG site trying to purchase a copy of 75192. I mean could it be more than 20,000-40,000 people? I know this feels like an interview question for a consulting firm, but could 40,000 people be enough to bring the servers to their knees? if that's the case, what's the "normal" day to day load on their site?

 

Correction it was Jaisonline who made this comment...edited to reflect that: 

Jaisonline referred their order management system - maybe that was the issue because I could navigate to other pages on the site but the page for 75192 and the ability to complete an order were really the problem for me. 

Edited September 17, 2017 by BaconBoss2015

[jaisonline]

23 minutes ago, BaconBoss2015 said:

You know, one thing I've been turning over in my mind is this...how many people do we think were actually hitting the TLG site trying to purchase a copy of 75192. I mean could it be more than 20,000-40,000 people? I know this feels like an interview question for a consulting firm, but could 40,000 people be enough to bring the servers to their knees? if that's the case, what's the "normal" day to day load on their site?

Correction it was Jaisonline who made this comment...edited to reflect that: 

Jaisonline referred their order management system - maybe that was the issue because I could navigate to other pages on the site but the page for 75192 and the ability to complete an order were really the problem for me. 

i work at a top 50 fortune company that have insane monthly, quarterly and super-sized end of year batch data loads.    i manage the dept. that makes sure we are properly scaled in non-prod to predict prod load handling during busy times w/ our 3rd party vendor installed in our  system.   we started using AWS in-addition to our existing in-house hardware.  i even brought in Exadata 6 years ago which was costly but more than made up for perf issues w/ the vendor's software on the 10 app server mode cluster (we started w/ 4 app server nodes)

bottom line is that like me, IT dept leaders at places such as amazon, netflix, ebay, comcast xfinity, and walmart learned to scale properly.  while it's technical, that's also a method of the "crazy made scientist"  madness for making decisions on when and how  to scale. 

when the ACA website opened shop, they learned the hard way.   well, the lego, hbo-go  and ticketmaster web sites still function like the old ACA one which itsself looked like in was built in 2005. 

there's no excuse for poor performance just like poor security.   only diff is you can blame performance  and inability to take orders on your tons of customers and excellent products.  can't use that excuse when it comes security as that's a diff beast.

thus, i think honestly lego wanted to brag about 75192 being so popular, consumers overwhelmed the web site and then imply their web site is strong enough to handle it but couldn't due to way too much 75192 demand,

[Ed Mack]

1 hour ago, BaconBoss2015 said:

You know, one thing I've been turning over in my mind is this...how many people do we think were actually hitting the TLG site trying to purchase a copy of 75192. I mean could it be more than 20,000-40,000 people? I know this feels like an interview question for a consulting firm, but could 40,000 people be enough to bring the servers to their knees? if that's the case, what's the "normal" day to day load on their site?

 

Correction it was Jaisonline who made this comment...edited to reflect that: 

Jaisonline referred their order management system - maybe that was the issue because I could navigate to other pages on the site but the page for 75192 and the ability to complete an order were really the problem for me. 

40,000 people looking to buy this set that morning...NO WAY.  A couple of thousand...I'll give you.  There a couple of hundred active posters on here and Brickset and Eurobricks, etc...bitching they couldn't get one.  Don't let a few active threads give the impression of such a demand.  LEGO wants you to think this set is in such demand.  If LEGO had enough Falcons to satisfy everyone, nobody would be talking about it.  Been there, done that...

[GregP]

Signed with VIP card just went for £5600 on eBay. ?

[Val-E]

6 minutes ago, GregP said:

Signed with VIP card just went for £5600 on eBay.

Could have been yours, could have been yours....

[Ed Mack]

2 minutes ago, GregP said:

Signed with VIP card just went for £5600 on eBay.

Thanks LEGO.  LEGO is now definitely the best investment in the galaxy!

[Val-E]

1 hour ago, Ed Mack said:

40,000 people looking to buy this set that morning...NO WAY.  A couple of thousand...I'll give you.  There a couple of hundred active posters on here and Brickset and Eurobricks, etc...bitching they couldn't get one.  Don't let a few active threads give the impression of such a demand.  LEGO wants you to think this set is in such demand.  If LEGO had enough Falcons to satisfy everyone, nobody would be talking about it.  Been there, done that...

The other thing is they would have looked like fools if there had only been 3 people IN THEIR PREPLANNED QUEUE at LS Shop and if other shops had had orderly arrivals from customers all through the day.

They instigated the hype and managed to corral the sheep or get the people to follow them, like the piper of Hamlet. As I said before, some sheep are smarter than the shepherds and found ways to get ahead in the queues, buy multiple units and all manner of other things to make their own purchase more exclusive. Some did it to get their treasure and some as a business move.

Now Lego can appear on Yahoo news feed for selling all their stock of 800 USD sets in one morning. It happened with BB8 too but no one  cared due to the lower purchase price.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Val-E

[Voltron]

10 minutes ago, GregP said:

Signed with VIP card just went for £5600 on eBay.

Sometimes a sold value does not mean much, could just be a non paying bidder.

[Val-E]

1 minute ago, Mhd747 said:

Sometimes a sold value does not mean much, could just be a non paying bidder.

Or a scammer. If you are going to scam you want a high price. Imagine the file a SNAD because there is another one with the same number or they say they didn´t receive it.

[GregP]

12 minutes ago, Val-E said:

Could have been yours, could have been yours....

I will not give in to the dark side! 

[Ed Mack]

1 minute ago, GregP said:

I will not give in to the dark side! 

You really should.  You can always buy another.  This set will never be worth more than it is now.  

[Val-E]

7 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

You really should.  You can always buy another.  This set will never be worth more than it is now.  

Every time one of the original 150 sells, the remaining ones will go up in value. Until they make more and the designer does a world signing tour.

Lego can burst this bubble in a heartbeat if they choose to.

In any case, this has gone beyond the value of the Lego itself. These signed set buyers  want a trophy item they can boast about as being unique so there really is no upper limit, unless it becomes less unique. Buying a standard unsigned Falcon won´t give them the same fix so it´s logical those sets are only just selling above break even point.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Val-E

[Val-E]

7 minutes ago, GregP said:

I will not give in to the dark side! 

75,192 GBP says you will!

[Ed Mack]

8 minutes ago, Val-E said:

Every time one of the original 150 sells, the remaining ones will go up in value. Until they make more and the designer does a world signing tour.

Lego can burst this bubble in a heartbeat if they choose to.

In any case, this has gone beyond the value of the Lego itself, people want a trophy item they can boast about as being unique so there really is no upper limit, until it becomes less unique. Buying a standard unsigned Falcon won´t give them the same fix.

You will start seeing counterfeit signatures and everything else.  People will start messing with bids if they haven't already.  You  will never know if these people paid and completed the transaction.  Who keeps track of the 150 people who bought and resold the legit copies?  Nobody.   There is no official record.  Unload it soon is my advice.  

[Val-E]

7 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

You will start seeing counterfeit signatures and everything else.  People will start messing with bids if they haven't already.  You  will never know if these people paid and completed the transaction.  Who keeps track of the 150 people who bought and resold the legit copies?  Nobody.   There is no official record.  Unload it soon is my advice.  

I agree, if TLG doesn´t nip it in the bud, other people will  there´s too much meat on the bone. However, if you have the receipt and all of the extras mint then short of some blood or a lock of the designer´s hair, you have proof of authenticity.

I tried keeping track of the 150 but it´s mission impossible because of the way they bodged up the numbering system. We can only really guesstimate and some sales may not actually go through.

Getting almost 10 times what you paid for the damn thing in just 3 days seems good value, unless you work on a lawyer´s hourly and skipped a full day´s work.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Val-E

[GregP]

These crazy prices aren't about it being out of stock. People are going crazy for the exclusivity.

Kinda like 1 minifigure going for £2.5k

[Val-E]

3 minutes ago, GregP said:

These crazy prices aren't about it being out of stock. People are going crazy for the exclusivity.

Kinda like 1 minifigure going for £2.5k

See above. It´s only exclusive until it isn´t. The designer is still alive and Lego can make more. Other people will fake the signature if need be.

There´s already been two sold with the same numbe BTW.

 

Edited September 17, 2017 by Val-E

[Will 4]

3 minutes ago, GregP said:

These crazy prices aren't about it being out of stock. People are going crazy for the exclusivity.

Kinda like 1 minifigure going for £2.5k

But look at cloud city Boba as a cautionary tale since newer versions have come out it has dropped in price pretty quickly.

[Val-E]

Mr 151 says he will stop the auction if someone bids over 2100 GBP.

Sounds like a good opportunity for a turbo flip.

On 17-Sep-17 at 16:14:33 BST, seller added the following information:

 

 

Yes!  I will stop the auction early and ship tomorrow for the best offer over £2100.

[Cheese]

See above. It´s only exclusive until it isn´t. The designer is still alive and Lego can make more. Other people will fake the signature if need be.
There´s already been two sold with the same numbe BTW.
 

One person is referencing the VIP card no and the other is referencing their place in the queue.

[Val-E]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

One person is referencing the VIP card no and the other is referencing their place in the queue.

It´s the same seller. Number 108 on the box. Maybe they got skinned by the first buyer and relisted. Sold too soon anyway.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Val-E

[GregP]

I'm gunna take a risk that Lego don't do another midnight launch signing event with 100 exclusive VIP cards between now and Christmas. If prices remain high I may join the dark side once I have one to build sat next to the signed copied.

 

[Ed Mack]

14 minutes ago, GregP said:

These crazy prices aren't about it being out of stock. People are going crazy for the exclusivity.

Kinda like 1 minifigure going for £2.5k

What happens if the set designer signs more sets next week or next month at another event?  What happens if the fakes start hitting eBay?  All I'm saying is that if you have one of these, selling now for $5000 or more is money in the bank.  It could change big time in a few weeks.