Guest TabbyBoy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 UK people... Do any of you know if 21309 is exclusive to LEGO and John Lewis only? I only ask as I'd have expected TRU and Smyths to have listed them by now. This seems like Mars Rover all over again to me and those selling for under £250 now may live to regret it. Remember, if NASA ever announce something to change human history (VERY unlikely), can you imagine the demand for this? I have one built and one boxed, the boxed one ain't leaving me for less than 3x RRP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious_george Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 TRU here has them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inversion Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 hours ago, mauro23 said: The game is over - catch it if you can... https://www.promobricks.de/lego-ideas-nasa-apollo-saturn-v-21309-wird-nicht-weiter-produziert/40227 I call BS on this ghost story. LEGO is not going to embrace the PR disaster such a move would cause. This set is going to be produced well into 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro23 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, inversion said: I call BS on this ghost story. LEGO is not going to embrace the PR disaster such a move would cause. This set is going to be produced well into 2018. What the hell is BS??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inversion Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, mauro23 said: What the hell is BS??? AoH in brown colour. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val-E Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, inversion said: I call BS on this ghost story. LEGO is not going to embrace the PR disaster such a move would cause. This set is going to be produced well into 2018. Yeah, they put 2 and 2 together and made 1969. It´s not credible reporting by Promobricks with a lot of assumptions and no evidence or proper sources. Maybe the author still has stock to sell. 4 minutes ago, mauro23 said: What the hell is BS??? my avatar. Edited August 30, 2017 by Val-E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksBrotha Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Val-E said: my avatar. Created by a bull. this emoji just looks like sh*t on fire - used to call one out on a lie or any statement laking truth. "That is total BS you can swim faster than a shark, prove it! - also used to express utter dislike "Its complete BS the professor assigned the case study on Monday and due Tuesday!" Edited August 30, 2017 by BricksBrotha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro23 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, inversion said: I call BS on this ghost story. LEGO is not going to embrace the PR disaster such a move would cause. This set is going to be produced well into 2018. Should we bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val-E Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, mauro23 said: Should we bet? I think we need to get some credible reasons WHY they would stop making it first. The article doesn´t give a single one. Are TLG losing money on it? Is the licence about to expire? Do they have a similar product lined up to replace it? Why else stop production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minicoopers11 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 This set is going to DeLorean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM123 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Haha, I know what the Lego plan is.. they just keep it Shop at Home exclusive from now on. Why provide stock to (large) retailers like Galeria, if Lego can sell the entire production runs within a few days and keep the profits for themselves. This set will definitely come back, I beleive it's a money printing machine at the moment.. they don't even have the burden of keeping it stocked in warehouses, once produced they can directly ship it to customers. If it goes EOL at this moment, it's like Val-E says their should be really really goed reasons for it, and the only one I can think of is purely technical or licensing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inversion Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, Val-E said: I think we need to get some credible reasons WHY they would stop making it first. The article doesn´t give a single one. Are TLG losing money on it? Is the licence about to expire? Do they have a similar product lined up to replace it? Why else stop production? Only reason I can imagine is having committed capacity to something else, or the set not turning enough profit. Former is only a short term issue, latter is more serious. IDEAS sets are part PR, and not necessarily have to turn great profit. Saturn is a great value, which might mean bad value for LEGO. Producing (relatively to other sets) low margin product is something they do not want to propagate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val-E Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, JM123 said: Haha, I know what the Lego plan is.. they just keep it Shop at Home exclusive from now on. Why provide stock to (large) retailers like Galeria, if Lego can sell the entire production runs within a few days and keep the profits for themselves. That´s the exact polar opposite of what they have been doing up till now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val-E Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, inversion said: Only reason I can imagine is having committed capacity to something else, or the set not turning enough profit. Former is only a short term issue, latter is more serious. IDEAS sets are part PR, and not necessarily have to turn great profit. Saturn is a great value, which might mean bad value for LEGO. Producing (relatively to other sets) low margin product is something they do not want to propagate. Yeah, the profit issue is possible, as I alluded to previously, but you would think they´d have studied that before final production. They saved a lot on R+D costs being and Ideas set too and Old Fishing Store seems to have a similar PPC with lots of small standard parts, like Saturn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladner Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Val-E said: I think we need to get some credible reasons WHY they would stop making it first. The article doesn´t give a single one. Are TLG losing money on it? Is the licence about to expire? Do they have a similar product lined up to replace it? Why else stop production? maybe because if they produced for actual demand of this set it would disrupt production schedules for other themes even though these rockets sell better than anything, they can't just produce only these rockets. so they produce the amount they planned on doing , do a second run and maybe another run sometime next year. then pull the plug. the change in language on the website is identical to what happened with research institute which also demonstrated a similar pattern of inability to maintain any online stock for any duration. everyone who is so sure about availability throughout 2018 just because of what someone read on the internet or what some corporate guy was quoted as stating really needs to think again. of course they are going to say that. what happens if the guy comes out and says, well actually we are only going to do 2 more runs so make sure to get one quick. that will not go over well. Edited August 30, 2017 by cladner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolassy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, cladner said: maybe because if they produced for actual demand of this set it would disrupt production schedules for other themes even though these rockets sell better than anything, they can't just produce only these rockets. so they produce the amount they planned on doing , do a second run and maybe another run sometime next year. then pull the plug. the change in language on the website is identical to what happened with research institute which also demonstrated a similar pattern of inability to maintain any online stock for any duration. everyone who is so sure about availability throughout 2018 just because of what someone read on the internet or what some corporate guy was quoted as stating really needs to think again. of course they are going to say that. what happens if the guy comes out and says, well actually we are only going to do 2 more runs so make sure to get one quick. that will not go over well. Will be interesting to see what happens. I remember someone saying on reddit there would be three runs, one in june, one in august and one in october...so far what I am seeing doesnt match any of that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolassy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I can say for a fact that one particular big box store had 800 in May/June, 200 in July and 400 in august in terms of what they have received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLL Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 26 minutes ago, Legolassy said: Will be interesting to see what happens. I remember someone saying on reddit there would be three runs, one in june, one in august and one in october...so far what I am seeing doesnt match any of that... does that *someone* has proved credibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shewie Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 hours ago, TabbyBoy said: UK people... Do any of you know if 21309 is exclusive to LEGO and John Lewis only? I only ask as I'd have expected TRU and Smyths to have listed them by now. This seems like Mars Rover all over again to me and those selling for under £250 now may live to regret it. Remember, if NASA ever announce something to change human history (VERY unlikely), can you imagine the demand for this? I have one built and one boxed, the boxed one ain't leaving me for less than 3x RRP! I believe Nasa Saturn V will be available until Women's of NASA will be released as a new IDEAS set in 2018. Your dooms day scenarios are unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrickdad Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Shewie said: I believe Nasa Saturn V will be available until Women's of NASA will be released as a new IDEAS set in 2018. Your dooms day scenarios are unlikely. That would make sense, as I would think many on here would want to pair these sets when selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carini26 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, cladner said: maybe because if they produced for actual demand of this set it would disrupt production schedules for other themes even though these rockets sell better than anything, they can't just produce only these rockets. so they produce the amount they planned on doing , do a second run and maybe another run sometime next year. then pull the plug. the change in language on the website is identical to what happened with research institute which also demonstrated a similar pattern of inability to maintain any online stock for any duration. everyone who is so sure about availability throughout 2018 just because of what someone read on the internet or what some corporate guy was quoted as stating really needs to think again. of course they are going to say that. what happens if the guy comes out and says, well actually we are only going to do 2 more runs so make sure to get one quick. that will not go over well. I hope they are slightly more innovative than that. Commercially, this may be arguably their greatest achievement to date. I mean, how do you gauge demand at this point? All units sell out at an average of only 826 units/per hour v. a few months ago at 943 units/per hour? They have to make adjustments. Seems crazy to me they would bag production to make way for undesirable 2018 TLBM sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TabbyBoy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Shewie said: I believe Nasa Saturn V will be available until Women's of NASA will be released as a new IDEAS set in 2018. Your dooms day scenarios are unlikely. That's why I've held some Research Institutes back as I think these will do even better once the NASA women are out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrickdad Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 That's why I've held some Research Institutes back as I think these will do even better once the NASA women are out. That's exactly the thought I had when someone bought my last 8 off BL last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boliramirez Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, TabbyBoy said: That's why I've held some Research Institutes back as I think these will do even better once the NASA women are out. I did not though of that ! ! I will take them out of my listings...... I still have some... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villager Chris Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I reckon this set will be done by November. The evidence is that Lego cannot produce enough sets and are fully aware that people are buying more than one to resell. One thing I know about Lego is how sensitive they are to their image, particularly with families. Is it easier to kill it, admit defeat and focus on other lines? No more grumbles from customers. That said, I don't know why Lego didn't have a limit of 2 (even one) per customer when last week's fresh batch became available. It was either: Short-sighted; Stupid; Intentional to sell out quickly. Anyway, that's my take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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