Quacs Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 For The Distinguished Lego Batman Collector: 76052 Classic TV Series Batcave Review Welcome to my new feature, For The Distinguished Lego Batman Collector! Like most AFOLs, I've been a Lego fan for nearly my entire life. When I rediscovered Lego when my son turned four, I was really surprised to see the development of detail in the minifigures, and in particular the licensed figures. And staring at a shelf of Lego sets in the store, my favorites were the Lego Batman sets. I was hooked. Naturally, I've begun collecting Lego Batman sets, minifigures, DVDs, and Character Encyclopedias, and I'm even on the hunt for that Lego Batman Board Game! The collection is small right now, but growing every day. So it was with great excitement that I recently saw the newest addition to the Lego Batman family: The Classic TV Series Batcave. Because I am primarily a collector that likes to display sets from the collection, I wanted to review the set through the eyes of someone that would be building this set to display. Without further ado...to the review! First, the basics: at 2,526 pieces, this is easily the biggest Lego Batman model. MSRP is £229.99 / $269.99 / 249.99€. It includes nine minifigures, and all of them are awesomely exclusive to this set (for now). It also includes three "modules" of Wayne Manor/Batcave, one killer Batmobile, one nice Batcopter, one slick Batcycle complete with sidecar, and a host of Batcave accessories. As is typical with licensed minifigures, they are spread out throughout the bags. As expected, the box is big - it's the same frame size as the Grand Emporium box with roughly 1" more depth to the box. As you can see in the picture, the box art is phenomenal. Both the front and back graphics are set in a Classic Batman motif with a cartoonish skyline and an old school Bat signal to boot. The box is so nice, it can easily pair with the set for those with unlimited shelf space. Inside the box, there are the following: 2 - Number 1 bags 5 - Number 2 bags 3 - Number 3 bags 4 - Number 4 bags 2 - Number 5 bags 2 - Number 6 bags 1 - Number 7 bag 3 - Number 8 bags In addition to the numbered bags, there are five unnumbered bags. Three of these contain the same tan column bricks and dark tan plates, while the other two have unique contents. There's also a bag with the instruction book and sticker sheet, and three loose-in-the-box pearl gold poles. Right off the bat, the Number 1 bags start you off with arguably the best parts of the set: the Classic Batmobile and the Batman and Joker minifigs. The first two minifigures don't disappoint, and they provide a wonderful departure from the typical Batman minifigure. Both have exquisite detailing like the penciled eyebrows on Batman's cowl and the "whited out" mustache of the Joker. Both have two minifigure faces, although the Joker's is obviously more pronounced since his head print isn't hiding behind a cowl. These are easily my favorite Batman and Joker minifigure of the entire Lego Batman theme. The Batmobile construction rounds out bags 1, and it also doesn't disappoint. This build is magnifiicent and truly captures the lines, angles, and detailing of the original Batmobile. From the red phone between the seats to the angled wings, this build is incredibly accurate and allows both Batman and Robin minifigures to sit comfortably while on display. The spongy capes included with both Batman and Robin allow each to "flutter" in the breeze of the open convertible while still returning to its original shape after a quick ride. Also a small hatch in the back solves an age old issue for Lego Batman collectors - it's a great place to store the extra batarangs! I even like the stud shooters that were incorporated into the hood, although purists may feel these details are unnecessary and, at worst, a Lego-forced encroachment on a legendary vehicle. In my opinion, this Batmobile is a no-doubt home run. The design team deserves a raise for this effort! On to bag group 2...when sorting the set, I was surprised and there were five bags that were numbered 2. Building Lego Batman sets over the last four years has conditioned me to expecting one or two of the same numbered bags, so five was a surprise. Bags 2 contain the Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson and Alfred Pennyworth and the "cat" made famous by the Lego Shop at Home bullet point descriptor "Also includes a cat" - a non-sequitur at it's delightfully finest. I like the three minifigures the design team gave us here as they are all nice depictions of the show characters. That said, I feel a little empty when displaying them as they stand in stark contrast to the phenomenal minifigures that adorn the rest of the set. And the aforementioned "cat" is really just a retread of "Jeff", the cat from the Lego Movie that comes with Mrs. Scratchen-Post from the Lego Movie CMFs. A little Bricklink research revealed this tabby has been in five Lego sets that were all from the last two years. All that said, Jeff still provides a nice compliment to Catwoman when displaying an burglar attempt to break in from the roof. As you can see, the build progresses from structure to cladding, back to structure, with a cladding finish. The star of this build is easily the Wayne Manor facade. The windows are well designed with an attractive, "high-end" siding aesthetic, and contain wonderful, although slightly obscured, window treatments to hide the backside of the interior's dark tan plates. The structure is solid, if not unattractive, although my only main complaint is that all of the holes on the column supports weren't covered. This apparent nakedness gives a little bit of an unfinished look to an otherwise snappy build. Bags 3 include Catwoman and the Wayne Manor interior build out. Another slam dunk winner - the Julie Newmar-inspired Catwoman is awesomely awesome with the hair mold from the Series 14 Tiger Lady CMF used to great effect, and the head and torso printing augmenting an already near perfect minifig rendition of this classic villain. The whip accessory seems to make sense as an appropriate accessory for this minifigure, especially when mocking up break-in scenes for Catwoman. The interior of Wayne Manor is very well done and displays really well. The wallpaper print bricks are super, and aesthetically create an umatched ethos of wealth and stature for the room, a perfect reflection of Bruce Wayne's position and status in Gotham society. The room itself includes the famous red Batphone to Commissioner Gordon's office, the impeccably designed Shakespeare bust, complete with the hidden button, and the sliding bookshelf that reveals the Batpoles for Dick and Bruce, complete with label plaques to match the TV show. The only complaint here is that the Batpoles behind the sliding bookshelf don't actually connect to the Batpoles you see housed below the structure. On its surface, that doesn't seem to make sense as you would expect Bruce and Dick to ride the same Batpoles down to the Batcave. However, this build allows Bruce and Dick to magically transform to Batman and Robin with a close of the sliding bookshelf and a conveniently hidden platforms under the floor to hide the Batman and Robin minifigures until it's go-time. The finished Wayne Manor module of this model is really nicely done on both sides. This creates a slight problem for display though - which side do you display? I have chosen to show the Wayne Manor facade side as I have my current display with Batman and Robin rapelling up the side of the house, but you can just as easily display the Wayne Manor and Batcave interior. I suppose it's a positive that both sides are so well done, but it does create a bit of a question. There are four bags labeled with the number four, and these contain the Riddler minifigure and the Bat Lab bricks. The Riddler minifigure is pretty accurate to the Frank Gorshin version of the show's character, down to his memorable lavender gloves and iconic question mark shirt. It comes with three TNT dynamite stick bricks as accessories, but I wish there had been something a little more that came with the minifigure. That small complaint aside, this is one great minifigure, and I would guess this is the only minifigure ever to have lavender hands. The start of the Bat Lab looks good with the use of some slick, albeit repetitious, "SNOT" techniques to create the octagonal core. Bags 5 include the trim around sides of the Bat Lab, and the steps utilize some of the unmarked bag pieces shown earlier in the review. Bags numbered 6 complete the Bat Lab by providing the top stone archway that frames the reactor, with a couple of hanging bats thrown in for detail. All in all, it's a very accurate depiction of the 60s Bat Lab. The removable computer mainframes can be removed and placed in front of the Bat Lab to expand the footprint of the display. The designers have also included a smart little dresser where Batman and Robin can keep their day outfits. Bags 7 includes bricks for the Batcave entrance for the Batmobile, along with a helipad for the Bat Wing. A nice, matching start to the Batcave entrance, along with all those bats that now keep popping up everywhere! Nearing completion of the set, we open bags numbered 8. These bags include both The Penguin and Robin, the final stonework on the Batcave entrance, and Batwing and Batcycle. Nearly as good as Batman, the Robin minifigure is really well detailed and accurate to the show. The awkward "speedo-with-tights" look aside, this Robin is a really slick looking minifigure, and perfect compliment to Batman. To my surprise, the short cape is also show-accurate. The Penguin minifigure is also suprisingly good. While similar to other Penguin minifigures, this one includes a lavendar hat (an exclusive color for this piece) that really sets off the minifigure. With Riddler's exclusive hands and Penguin's, this is a great set for fans of lavendar minifigure parts. The Batcave entrance displays well and works with the other two modules, but there are two flaws I see: the Batcave entrance desperately needs some foliage if this is truly intended to be the entrance, and the Batcave doesn't fit very well in this area. From a display perspective, the first is much worse than the second as most will probably want to highlight the Batmobile in front of the display rather than hiding it in the entrance cave. The missing foliage is a head scratcher - with a few more bricks, the designers could have made the entry incredibly accurate and added some play feature as well. That said, it's still a nice addition to the Batcave, and it's a great place to display the Batcopter prominently. Speaking of the Batcopter, I think it turned out nicely. While it's a little chunkier than its small screen brother and the wings could have used a little bit of red trim, it's a nice piece. It's just not as iconic as the Batmobile. The Batcycle is nicely done too, although it's missing the windscreen the TV version has. I also appreciate the design team's effort to infuse some of the red trim on the Batcycle with the round 2x4 plate behind the black dome, and their attempt at "batifying" the cycle with the vertical wing too. While this wing isn't a detail on the original cycle, it's still nice to see the designers trying to separate the Batcycle from any other Lego motorcycle with sidecar. The complete set is really an incredible build, with all of the campy components from the original TV series rolled into one great model. As mentioned, the Batmobile and Batman minifigures are the stars of this model, along with Wayne Manor's exterior and interior. The Batcave modules are accurate and look great, with the only major head scratcher being the lack of two continuous Batpoles that span between Bruce's office and the Batcave. Please let me know your thoughts on the model, minifigures, components and their display features in the comment section below! For the Distinguished Lego Batman Collector View full blog article 6 Quote
Jeff Mack Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Great review, this sure is a fun looking set. Your review made it even more of a must have for me. Cool minifigs, multiple vehicles and the red Bat phone, how can you beat that. Pow!!! Whammo!!! Quote
redghostx Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Excellent review and it confirms that I need one or more of these for my Batman display. Quote
dcdfan Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Great job! Not sure I'll be able to wait on buying it now thanks to your review... Quote
Alpinemaps Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Great review, thank you. Definitely cements this on my wish list. Quote
fossilrock Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Awesome review. Seeing the pics of it getting assembled swayed my opinion from "this set isn't worth it" to "wow, this set is kind of cool". 3 Quote
thoroakenfelder Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 I was wondering before if I could afford to put this into my collection, now I wonder if I can afford not to. 5 Quote
citymorgue Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) This is one set for me that I really want to own, but after several different reviews, it's still a pass for me, unless it's possibly on major discount status. The only thing IMO that's redeeming are the minifigures, but it's not worth it for $270. My biggest gripe, is that they tried to do too many things at once and sacrificing too much in the process. Honestly, if they just focused on the manor and batcave portion of it and got rid of the bat copter and all the other superfluous stuff, I think it would've been a lot nicer. Plus I don't fully understand why it's a modular type of set, unless they plan on releasing a lot of other sets down the line to mix and match what you want to do with it. Otherwise, I just don't get it. Not to mention, how it feels unfinished. The side of the set looks ridiculous with the open holes, the barreness of the walls, the fact that you get an open office, the fact that you can't even fit the batmobile properly in it's parking spot. This set to me, is just a mirror image of Assault on Hoth. 2 exclusives that again IMO, suffer from the same serious flaws. Don't get me wrong, it was a great review, and it was nice to see the progression pictures. Edited March 5, 2016 by citymorgue Quote
Mathew Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 49 minutes ago, citymorgue said: This is one set for me that I really want to own, but after several different reviews, it's still a pass for me, unless it's possibly on major discount status. The only thing IMO that's redeeming are the minifigures, but it's not worth it for $270. The side of the set looks ridiculous with the open holes, the barreness of the walls, the fact that you get an open office, the fact that you can't even fit the batmobile properly in it's parking spot. This set to me, is just a mirror image of Assault on Hoth. 2 exclusives that again IMO, suffer from the same serious flaws. Don't get me wrong, it was a great review, and it was nice to see the progression pictures. Don't even compare this to Assault on Hoth. At least with the Bat Cave you can see the creative work put into it. They made compromises due to licensing fees and overall cost. It needs to be consolidated into one structure for display purposes but they did give you everything you need to build upon it. AoH is nothing but a mishmash of already released sets. And missing some key things like bad guys and their vehicles to truly make it an "assault". Assault on Hoth is one of the worst things that Lego has ever released. Quote
Guest brickcrazyhouse Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 this set with all the other resent disappointments feels like we're getting TLG's B-team Quote
Mathew Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 1 minute ago, brickcrazyhouse said: this set with all the other resent disappointments feels like we're getting TLG's B-team Do your research. The same guy who designed The Bat Cave also did the Haunted House and UCS Imperial Shuttle. Hardly B-Team. The designers are at the mercy of the Lego number crunchers. 2 Quote
Deanfjr Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 I love Batman & especially the classic tv show. I think they should have gave us a Batgirl minifig. If Lego wants to keep selling us high end sets they need to stop giving us so many dang stickers. When I pay a premium, I expect premium product in return. Otherwise, great review, cool set I will be buying. 1 Quote
Guest brickcrazyhouse Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 could be "number cunchers" designers could be being over loaded with the uptic in new sets each year. what ever the reason this set feels like a b-team effort. but thanks for assuming Quote
citymorgue Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Mathew said: Don't even compare this to Assault on Hoth. At least with the Bat Cave you can see the creative work put into it. They made compromises due to licensing fees and overall cost. It needs to be consolidated into one structure for display purposes but they did give you everything you need to build upon it. AoH is nothing but a mishmash of already released sets. And missing some key things like bad guys and their vehicles to truly make it an "assault". Assault on Hoth is one of the worst things that Lego has ever released. If this set were split apart, into say, just the Manor, then the Batcave, etc, you would a better cohesive item than this. And it's not really consolidated into 1 structure. Sure it all connects, but it's 3 individual sections that can be connected together. I think you are reading too much into licensing fees. It almost reads as if the fees got more expensive the bigger the set. Which makes no sense. Also as far as overall cost, it doesn't look like a $270 set. And that's part of my problem with it. To make it 'feel' more complete, you have to 'build' upon it. I'm sorry but I don't believe that should be the goal of a set this big with nothing else at the moment, or even possibly in the future. If you want to do that, it needs to be a bunch of smaller sets. Look at the simpsons for instance. Sure if they only did the house and ended the line, it wouldn't feel 'incomplete', or that I needed more stuff to make it complete. It's good enough on its own. 32 minutes ago, Mathew said: Do your research. The same guy who designed The Bat Cave also did the Haunted House and UCS Imperial Shuttle. Hardly B-Team. The designers are at the mercy of the Lego number crunchers. I think you are trying to hard to rationalize a pretty poorly designed set. It's similar because it IS trying to hard to do too many things. And I doubt it's just the number crunchers that are a hindrance to the design of the set. And I agree with @brickcrazyhouse. It does appear to be designed by the B-team, just like Assault on Hoth. I just don't understand this latest wave of exclusives. I mean in just the last couple of years, we've had excellent models, such as the GBHQ, Slave 1, AROCS, Kwik-E-Mart, Sandcrawler, Tie Fighter, etc, that this is just so odd from Lego to see two big expensive exclusive sets, look like they were designed by a child with limited pieces at their disposal. 2 Quote
thoroakenfelder Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Didn't TLG say something about focusing on playability with their sets going forward? Maybe this is a step towards following through on the corporate level mandate that there has to be play features in all sets. Displayability has not really been a key feature of most Batman sets. They focus on Minifigures and redoing the same few vehicles. When they do playsets or structures, Batman tends to get facades or chunks of equipment. Would it be nice if they stretched and gave one cohesive structure? definitely. However that probably goes against some underlying rule like "there has to be a Batman or Superman in every DC Super Heroes set." If Batman were a prestige property, then they'd be putting out UCS sets every year or 2. It's a kiddie property, so we get kid playsets. If a kid sees this set, they'd be happy to get so many minifigures, a batmobile, a copter, a motorcycle a batcave and more. That is, if their parents would conceive of buying it for them. Corporate culture does not like change. Even when they agree to do something big, they still have to do it the same way as the small ones. 2 Quote
thegooch49 Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Awesome review, well done! I like reading reviews about this set, and looking at the build images. This one is a pass for me. I'm just not a big Batman fan, especially Batman from that era. I feel left out so far in 2016, I don't really care about Ghostbusters either. Regardless, thanks for the review! Quote
Dkc Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Thanks for taking the time to write out a detailed review. You are obviously a big fan considering you loved everything about the set. I'm not a fan of this set. The batmobile and the minifigs are cool, but the rest is just not great. I assume this set is targeted at AFOL. I agree with a lot of the criticism of the set. Everything looks half done. It's a pass for me too. The investment appeal may not be bad considering it is a unique set, and once retired, is unlikely to be repeated. Quote
Mathew Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 3 hours ago, brickcrazyhouse said: could be "number cunchers" designers could be being over loaded with the uptic in new sets each year. what ever the reason this set feels like a b-team effort. but thanks for assuming My point is that the designers crammed everything that a fan could possibly want (aside from Batgirl) into one set. It was an impossible task for anything less than $300. For the whiners Lego should have just released the Batmobile as a stand-alone set and had been done with it. Quote
Guest brickcrazyhouse Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 A stand alone Batmobile would have been nice. those pieces could of been used else where. This set should have been aimed more at AFOL's. More of a display then a playset. I get TLG is trying to put the "play" back into the bigger sets but maybe not when the the main audience of the show looks more like Emazer then Timmy. Quote
areyounormal Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Excellent review!! I totally agree with your point about the outside entrance to the batcave having some foliage around it. Having just built this myself I am really really impressed with how large the set is and makes a great display IMO. Looking forward to more of your reviews!! Quote
gregpj Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 On 3/5/2016 at 7:09 PM, Mathew said: My point is that the designers crammed everything that a fan could possibly want (aside from Batgirl) into one set. It was an impossible task for anything less than $300. For the whiners Lego should have just released the Batmobile as a stand-alone set and had been done with it. That wasn't necessary to get your point across. Quote
Crustybeaver Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 On 3/5/2016 at 0:19 PM, citymorgue said: but it's not worth it for $270 This 1 Quote
inversion Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 It's not worth it, but probably that price is our only option or we would not have any Classic TV Batman. By all means license fees are probably outrageous in this case and smaller sets would not really have a market. LEGO wanted to do some justice with a single set and get done with it, instead of releasing multiple smaller, but still overpriced ones. Could have been better (and consequently more expensive LOL), but it actually makes me happy that we can actually have stuff like this. Honestly, who would have expected the release of this? Consider it as a bonus. I will buy it just for the sake of its uniqueness. Quote
DKMorten Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 Nice review! Looks like a very cool set. What are you guys' thought of this as an item held for resale with profit? Quote
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