STAR WARS VIII - "The Last Jedi" - Movie Discussion

[KvHulk]

I have yet to meet a single person IRL that has anything good to say about TLJ. And no one is fuming. They're just sad.

[thegraverobber]

9 hours ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Isn't putting unanswered questions the idea of cliffhanger? Afterall, it was movie 1 of 3. Not sure how the ending of 7 forced the next director to answer quickly.  Rian could have dragged the answers to the end of TLJ. Heck he could have punted those questions to movie 9 and had the characters went on a different tangent in 8. Obviously he picked and chose what to ignore and continue from TFA and he seemed eager to go against some fans' expectations.  The decision was Rian's to make.

First, he wrote the script before TFA released. I'm not sure how he knew what fans would expect and obsess over for two years, and then attempt to subvert those expectations. Like it or not, he just told the story he thought worked best given the events of TFA.

Also, yes - that's the point of a cliffhanger. And cliffhangers (in this sense) don't work particularly well in Star Wars. 

[thegraverobber]

30 minutes ago, KvHulk said:

I have yet to meet a single person IRL that has anything good to say about TLJ. And no one is fuming. They're just sad.

Huh, I have met literally 1 person IRL who didn't like the movie.

What I have seen is a lot of people online devoting their time/energy to a movie they didn't like.

[Sprocket77]

I liked the Force Awakens, it had seriously stupid plot holes, but in general I liked the new characters and Han was great as always. 

I hated TLJ and it wasn't because of plotholes or doing exactly what fans didn't want or any of those things, it was just a really bad movie and I don't mean a bad Star Wars movie, it was just a bad movie full stop. Poor story, poor characters and worse than poor characters, Johnson managed to make us care less about characters who we either loved for generations or had been pleasantly surprised to like after TFA. 

The biggest crime though in these sequels lies at the feet of Disney and Lucasfilm, TFA and TLJ might as well not be in the same universe. They should have had the storyline for the 3 movies set in stone before filming ever began on the first one and if they had been smart they'd have done a LOTRs and filmed all three back to back.

[Darth_Raichu]

1 hour ago, thegraverobber said:

First, he wrote the script before TFA released. I'm not sure how he knew what fans would expect and obsess over for two years, and then attempt to subvert those expectations. Like it or not, he just told the story he thought worked best given the events of TFA.

Also, yes - that's the point of a cliffhanger. And cliffhangers (in this sense) don't work particularly well in Star Wars. 

Rian had complete freedom to change things in TLJ, he was not bound strictly by TFA.  Blaming JJ for forcing anything on Rian/TLJ is just silly.  So, whatever good or bad things in TLJ is Rian's responsibility

[thegraverobber]

1 minute ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Rian had complete freedom to change things in TLJ, he was not bound strictly by TFA.  Blaming JJ for forcing anything on Rian/TLJ is just silly.  So, whatever good or bad things in TLJ is Rian's responsibility

I'm like one of 3 people in this movie discussion thread that actually liked the movie, lol. Obviously I don't have any huge issues with either. I said that the only things that I had issues with in TLJ were more due to how the story had to go post-TFA, that's literally it.

If you're giving Rian all of the credit for it, then bravo. Thought he did a great job.

[KvHulk]

1 hour ago, thegraverobber said:

What I have seen is a lot of people online devoting their time/energy to a movie they didn't like.

Welcome to the internet.

[thegraverobber]

1 minute ago, KvHulk said:

Welcome to the internet.

Yeah, it's just a strange concept. There are a lot of movies that I don't like, and I don't devote my time or energy to them. I don't go posting #lastjediawful tweets on Twitter, I don't go threads deep in a movie discussion forum. I just don't like it, and I move on.

[stackables]

15 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

Yeah, it's just a strange concept. There are a lot of movies that I don't like, and I don't devote my time or energy to them. I don't go posting #lastjediawful tweets on Twitter, I don't go threads deep in a movie discussion forum. I just don't like it, and I move on.

There are not a lot of movies or franchises that have/had the amount of impact on pop culture as Star Wars has.  You make a terrible movie under the guise of Star Wars film, fans are going to let you know.  Rian should have just made Spaceballs 2.  That seems more up his alley. 

[thegraverobber]

2 minutes ago, stackables said:

There are not a lot of movies or franchises that have/had the amount of impact on pop culture as Star Wars has.  You make a terrible movie under the guise of Star Wars film, fans are going to let you know.  Rian should have just made Spaceballs 2.  That seems more up his alley. 

Don't think Rian's reading this movie discussion thread.

[Darth_Raichu]

32 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

I'm like one of 3 people in this movie discussion thread that actually liked the movie, lol. Obviously I don't have any huge issues with either. I said that the only things that I had issues with in TLJ were more due to how the story had to go post-TFA, that's literally it.

If you're giving Rian all of the credit for it, then bravo. Thought he did a great job.

 

12 hours ago, thegraverobber said:

I mean, that’s not really my issue with it. I’d probably dislike it more if we didn’t get to see Rey and Luke’s initial meeting. What bothers me is just the way that it ended...JJ kind of forced the story to quickly answer a bunch of questions that he didn’t even attempt to answer.

I liked TFA and I loved TLJ - this was just a minor complaint.

I was mainly responding to that post of yours.  Rian had complete control of movie 8.  Anything good or bad needed to be attributed to Rian.  Consequently, Rian gets the praises from peoplewho like the movie, on the other hand, Rian gets the blame from people who hate/dislike the movie .  I think that is fair.

[stackables]

10 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

Don't think Rian's reading this movie discussion thread.

Pretty sure he has completely avoids the internet now.  Only time he pops up when he has to "defend" his stupid decisions.  I think I will watch that crucial casino subplot.  That subplot was brilliant. 

[thegraverobber]

Just now, Darth_Raichu said:

 

I was mainly responding to that post of yours.  Rian had complete control of movie 8.  Anything good or bad needed to be attributed to Rian.  Consequently, Rian gets the praises from peoplewho like the movie, on the other hand, Rian gets the blame from people who hate/dislike the movie .  I think that is fair.

Yeah, it's fair. What I initially meant was that leaving TFA with Rey meeting Luke on Ahch-To was not a decision I loved (at the time or now). Sure, Rian could have done a time jump...but I (and I assume everyone else) wanted to see that moment. Kind of a lose-lose when you end the film like that is what I meant.

[thegraverobber]

3 minutes ago, stackables said:

Pretty sure he has completely avoids the internet now.  Only time he pops up when he has to "defend" his stupid decisions.  I think I will watch that crucial casino subplot.  That subplot was brilliant. 

Wait, what? He posts daily on Twitter and Instagram, very rarely anything Star Wars related.

Character development is crucial. Space adventure is a staple of Star Wars. Nobody complained when everyone went to Tattooine to save their frozen friend from a giant worm who tried to throw them into a sand pit.

[fuzzy_bricks]

1 minute ago, thegraverobber said:

Wait, what? He posts daily on Twitter and Instagram, very rarely anything Star Wars related.

Character development is crucial. Space adventure is a staple of Star Wars. Nobody complained when everyone went to Tattooine to save their frozen friend from a giant worm who tried to throw them into a sand pit.

Are you comparing the trip to Canto Bite to the rescuing of Han Solo from Jabba?

[stackables]

1 minute ago, thegraverobber said:

Wait, what? He posts daily on Twitter and Instagram, very rarely anything Star Wars related.

Character development is crucial. Space adventure is a staple of Star Wars. Nobody complained when everyone went to Tattooine to save their frozen friend from a giant worm who tried to throw them into a sand pit.

Oh, the casino subplot was for character development.  I thought it was 40 minutes of sjw garbage ?

[thegraverobber]

Just now, fuzzy_bricks said:

Are you comparing the trip to Canto Bite to the rescuing of Han Solo from Jabba?

Regarding what is deemed 'crucial', yes.

[stackables]

1 minute ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

Are you comparing the trip to Canto Bite to the rescuing of Han Solo from Jabba?

Looks that way.  Apparently going to a casino to make a political statement that had no effect on the story is the same as freeing a main character. 

[thegraverobber]

1 minute ago, stackables said:

Oh, the casino subplot was for character development.  I thought it was 40 minutes of sjw garbage 

See, that's the kind of thing that makes people think these idiots on Twitter are bots. It sounds like you're just randomly pulling trigger acronyms and inserting them into your statements. You can talk about SJW elsewhere in the film (as stupid as it may be), but what in the world is SJW-related on Canto Bight?

[fuzzy_bricks]

2 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

Regarding what is deemed 'crucial', yes.

[thegraverobber]

1 minute ago, stackables said:

Looks that way.  Apparently going to a casino to make a political statement that had no effect on the story is the same as freeing a main character. 

*psst* 

Like it or not, they went to Canto Bight in an attempt to free *every* main character.

1 minute ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

Same, fam. Life is short, spend your time on something you actually enjoy. Don't go knees-deep discussing movies you don't like, lmao.

[stackables]

1 minute ago, thegraverobber said:

See, that's the kind of thing that makes people think these idiots on Twitter are bots. It sounds like you're just randomly pulling trigger acronyms and inserting them into your statements. You can talk about SJW elsewhere in the film (as stupid as it may be), but what in the world is SJW-related on Canto Bight?

What did freeing hairy horses have to do with anything?  

[fuzzy_bricks]

3 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

Same, fam. Life is short, spend your time on something you actually enjoy. Don't go knees-deep discussing movies you don't like, lmao.

I enjoy discussing the movie good or bad.  Comparing the saving of Han Solo, an established character in the previous two movies, to the Canto Bite scene doesn't hold water to me.  They could have tightened up the Canto Bite scene and still accomplished the same thing.  My biggest issue with this scene, other than being long, is why they thought the animals needed freeing but the children staying slaves were A-OK.

[jeff_14]

1 minute ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

I enjoy discussing the movie good or bad.  Comparing the saving of Han Solo, an established character in the previous two movies, to the Canto Bite scene doesn't hold water to me.  They could have tightened up the Canto Bite scene and still accomplished the same thing.  My biggest issue with this scene, other than being long, is why they thought the animals needed freeing but the children staying slaves were A-OK.

They needed the horses to escape, and freeing all of them is a distraction I guess. Now I’m picturing them riding the children to freedom. 

[thegraverobber]

5 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

They needed the horses to escape, and freeing all of them is a distraction I guess. Now I’m picturing them riding the children to freedom. 

Yeah, that scene wasn't about freeing the horses. She freed one at the end, when she thought they were caught I guess? They used the horses to escape.

Again, I'm not saying you have to like it...but that seems like a pretty easy concept to grasp.