STAR WARS VIII - "The Last Jedi" - Movie Discussion

[Ed Mack]

3 minutes ago, Will 4 said:

You have to forgive me.  Jeff and I used to go to the midnight showings.  I couldn't stay awake.

[Darth_Raichu]

3 hours ago, JDLego324 said:

11:47 am on day 3 in Magic Kingdom.  First Last Jedi anything sighting.  Younger looking Dad with a T-shirt.

Forget Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom is where the action and the food are happening

[Alpinemaps]

Empire is on right now. TFA will be on tonight.

Unpopular opinion - Empire is the worst of the three films.

[exciter1]

I watched the “Director and the Jedi” documentary last night from the TLJ bonus disc. They probably spent millions on just the sea cow scene. What a waste...

[RKI_Fismo]

1 hour ago, exciter1 said:

I watched the “Director and the Jedi” documentary last night from the TLJ bonus disc. They probably spent millions on just the sea cow scene. What a waste...

Hmm, I get what you mean. It's almost as if there was an alternative agenda.

[Mathew]

1 hour ago, RKI_Fismo said:

Hmm, I get what you mean. It's almost as if there was an alternative agenda.

The agenda was to make Luke look like a weird old hermit.  They succeeded by alienating millions of fans.  And why again is Disney handing over the reigns to this idiot?

[jeff_14]

On ‎2018‎/‎04‎/‎01 at 12:32 PM, Ed Mack said:

Well said...It had it's moments, both good and bad like every STAR WARS movie post The Empire Strikes Back.  

This one just had more than its share of bad moments without enough good ones to balance them out. I think one reason why this will not live on in people's hearts is there was no great action or iconic moments that demand repeat viewings. We barely see any space dogfighting but get more time on slow moving bombers or escape pods. The fight with the red guards was kind of cool but seemed anti-climactic coming after Snoke bought it and the fan in me wondered why neither of them are using any force powers in that fight. The Crait showdown was lame with again hardly any dogfighting but just the Falcon leading Ties away and Rose sabotaging Finn's long drive to nowhere. As cool as the Luke-Kylo sequence is if you appreciate the idea of it, it's still  over fast with very little fighting. More time was spent getting Luke from the cave to outside then in actual combat. The less sais about the casino horses the better. Far inferior to the pod race. There is nothing in here that ranks with the trench run, either of the Luke-Vader fights from Empire or Jedi, no big space battle or into the Death Star scenes like in Jedi, Phantom Menace or Revenge, and no ground battle worthy of Empire or Attack of the Clones. My then 6 year old son would watch the Geonosis battle every weekend for a year. There's nothing here I NEED to see again.

Edited April 4, 2018 by jeff_14

[thegraverobber]

Popping in here to say that The Last Jedi is my second-favorite Star Wars film (behind Empire, narrowly ahead of ANH). I'm a long-time fan (have ready every adult Legends and Canon novel), and I absolutely adore TLJ.

I know a lot of people didn't like it, and I'm definitely not going to try to convince anybody to like something as subjective as a movie. This thread just keeps popping up on my homepage with a lot of negativity, so thought I'd bring something positive to the discussion thread.

[jeff_14]

1 minute ago, thegraverobber said:

Popping in here to say that The Last Jedi is my second-favorite Star Wars film (behind Empire, narrowly ahead of ANH). I'm a long-time fan (have ready every adult Legends and Canon novel), and I absolutely adore TLJ.

I know a lot of people didn't like it, and I'm definitely not going to try to convince anybody to like something as subjective as a movie. This thread just keeps popping up on my homepage with a lot of negativity, so thought I'd bring something positive to the discussion thread.

There's always one.  My back handed praise is that I still rank it above Force Remakens purely for at least not being a blatant remake. I think both are well made movies but it should go without saying that to be a good Star Wars movie you shouldn't plagiarize a previous one. Last Jedi borrowed a lot from Empire but it was different enough with what it did that I wasn't silently mouthing "Ive seen this already" throughout my first viewing. Still like the prequels more though.

[thegraverobber]

19 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

There's always one.  My back handed praise is that I still rank it above Force Remakens purely for at least not being a blatant remake. I think both are well made movies but it should go without saying that to be a good Star Wars movie you shouldn't plagiarize a previous one. Last Jedi borrowed a lot from Empire but it was different enough with what it did that I wasn't silently mouthing "Ive seen this already" throughout my first viewing. Still like the prequels more though.

There's plenty of us.

[TANV]

I enjoyed The Last Jedi immensely. Visually, I believe is is perhaps the BEST Star Wars film shot thus far.  Say what you will about Rian Johnson but he understands how to shoot visually wonderful scenes.  From the bombing run to the Throne Room battle to Luke vs Kylo.

I also enjoyed how pretty much all our heroes struggled and no one really won in the end. Honestly, the message of the film is all about failure. It pretty much pervades everyone's actions throughout.  It sucks that our heroes failed in many ways but it makes them more human.

[jeff_14]

3 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

There's plenty of us.

And we're tracking you. Nigerian letters of great financial benefit will be arriving shortly.

[jeff_14]

1 minute ago, TANV said:

I enjoyed The Last Jedi immensely. Visually, I believe is is perhaps the BEST Star Wars film shot thus far.  Say what you will about Rian Johnson but he understands how to shoot visually wonderful scenes.  From the bombing run to the Throne Room battle to Luke vs Kylo.

I also enjoyed how pretty much all our heroes struggled and no one really won in the end. Honestly, the message of the film is all about failure. It pretty much pervades everyone's actions throughout.  It sucks that our heroes failed in many ways but it makes them more human.

This is what I and George Lucas mean about it being well made. Its production values and artistic choices are top notch. Failure is a good theme. I think my and a lot of people's problems here was that we already saw Luke go through failure after failure in Empire. Yoda doesn't need to pop back in to remind him of this lesson he learned a long time ago. It undid much of Luke's journey from before. Indeed, this new trilogy seems determined to put the old guard right back where they were when New Hope started. Luke is a whiny responsibility shirker, Leia is running a doomed resistance cel, and Han and Chewie are smugglers on the run from gangsters. At least when Obi-wan and Yoda were in hiding, it was with a purpose. Luke is just a sad old man. Big letdown for my childhood hero.

[Darth_Raichu]

5 minutes ago, TANV said:

I enjoyed The Last Jedi immensely. Visually, I believe is is perhaps the BEST Star Wars film shot thus far.  Say what you will about Rian Johnson but he understands how to shoot visually wonderful scenes.  From the bombing run to the Throne Room battle to Luke vs Kylo.

I also enjoyed how pretty much all our heroes struggled and no one really won in the end. Honestly, the message of the film is all about failure. It pretty much pervades everyone's actions throughout.  It sucks that our heroes failed in many ways but it makes them more human.

Nope. Sorry. Kylo won BIG.  He manipulated Rey to help him kill Snoke and the red guards.  He was 1st in command of FO.  Number of Resistance dwindled to a MF + whoever could fit in it.  Luke was dead.  Bonus: Leia was still alive just like he wanted (otherwise he would have shot her mom's ship earlier in the movie).

The movie could have been much better had they focused on Kylo and his master plan, instead of wasting my time with alien horses

[jeff_14]

6 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Nope. Sorry. Kylo won BIG.  He manipulated Rey to help him kill Snoke and the red guards.  He was 1st in command of FO.  Number of Resistance dwindled to a MF + whoever could fit in it.  Luke was dead.  Bonus: Leia was still alive just like he wanted (otherwise he would have shot her mom's ship earlier in the movie).

The movie could have been much better had they focused on Kylo and his master plan, instead of wasting my time with alien horses

Agree except for the word plan. There was no plan. He was making it up as he went along like his dad. Events just fell his way, including waking up seconds before Hux was going to shoot him

[KShine]

24 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

The movie could have been much better had they focused on Kylo and his master plan

But then they would have exposed the fact that there is no master plan - as long as they can keep it vague enough, believers will find some greater purpose (even if it isn't there).

[Will 4]

1 hour ago, thegraverobber said:

There's plenty of us.

Are you the person that bought those steamrollers? ?

[thegraverobber]

17 minutes ago, KShine said:

But then they would have exposed the fact that there is no master plan - as long as they can keep it vague enough, believers will find some greater purpose (even if it isn't there).

You mean like the OT? ?

[Darth_Raichu]

14 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

Agree except for the word plan. There was no plan. He was making it up as he went along like his dad. Events just fell his way, including waking up seconds before Hux was going to shoot him

 

13 minutes ago, KShine said:

But then they would have exposed the fact that there is no master plan - as long as they can keep it vague enough, believers will find some greater purpose (even if it isn't there).

There was no master plan ??? It was not really clear to me in my 1 viewing (It was not good enough to warrant 2nd viewing)  

Lol then I had to knock a point off the movie.  Although, having everything falling into place at the right moment was kind of the spirit of SW movies (especially ep 1-3)...  

[jeff_14]

6 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

 

There was no master plan ??? It was not really clear to me in my 1 viewing (It was not good enough to warrant 2nd viewing)  

Lol then I had to knock a point off the movie.  Although, having everything falling into place at the right moment was kind of the spirit of SW movies (especially ep 1-3)...  

The Prequels were all about planning. The Emperor's planning. That's his best force power, anticipating the results of various actions all the way until his one screwup in Jedi. Because the Jedi aren't very good at seeing the bigger picture they are always reacting. And you know what they say about those who fail to plan. Anakin has goals but no plan, which is why he is always frustrated and easily manipulated by the man with the plan. This was one of the sublime delights of that trilogy for me, how it was all one big story and seeing Palpatine's machinations play out. Whereas for the sequel trilogy, the resistance "plan" is even more spur of the moment with Han just inventing the ability to hyperjump through a shield and Finn never told anyone how exactly they planned to shut the shield down. The First Order seems to have some plan in gear at least as they laid in the weeds building their killer planets and hyper space tracking. etc. Last Jedi showed Snoke coming up with a plan to finish his enemies off, though he was suddenly criminally unable to see his apprentice's intentions despite boasting about how he can see every thought. Now that emo is in charge, I will be surprised to see if there is a plan in the next movie. The resistance better get a plan as they were handed all their good fortune by strangers in Force Remakens and then had horrible plans from Holdo dictating most of the plot, and now have no military assets other than what fits in the glove compartment of the Falcon. On that point, Poe's plan was no worse to me then the rebels throwing military surplus at the Death Star, and only 2 rebel ships survived that, again due to timely intervention by friendly strangers. Poe's plan only failed because of one surprisingly competent First Order droid. Employee of the month that one

[thegraverobber]

3 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

The Prequels were all about planning. The Emperor's planning. That's his best force power, anticipating the results of various actions all the way until his one screwup in Jedi. Because the Jedi aren't very good at seeing the bigger picture they are always reacting. And you know what they say about those who fail to plan. Anakin has goals but no plan, which is why he is always frustrated and easily manipulated by the man with the plan. This was one of the sublime delights of that trilogy for me, how it was all one big story and seeing Palpatine's machinations play out. Whereas for the sequel trilogy, the resistance "plan" is even more spur of the moment with Han just inventing the ability to hyperjump through a shield and Finn never told anyone how exactly they planned to shut the shield down. The First Order seems to have some plan in gear at least as they laid in the weeds building their killer planets and hyper space tracking. etc. Last Jedi showed Snoke coming up with a plan to finish his enemies off, though he was suddenly criminally unable to see his apprentice's intentions despite boasting about how he can see every thought. Now that emo is in charge, I will be surprised to see if there is a plan in the next movie. The resistance better get a plan as they were handed all their good fortune by strangers in Force Remakens and then had horrible plans from Holdo dictating most of the plot, and now have no military assets other than what fits in the glove compartment of the Falcon. On that point, Poe's plan was no worse to me then the rebels throwing military surplus at the Death Star, and only 2 rebel ships survived that, again due to timely intervention by friendly strangers. Poe's plan only failed because of one surprisingly competent First Order droid. Employee of the month that one

You really like plans.

[jeff_14]

2 minutes ago, thegraverobber said:

You really like plans.

I certainly like well planned movies.

[fuzzy_bricks]

28 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

I certainly like well planned movies.

One would think they would have been more on the same page for all three of the new movies considering the size of the franchise.

 

 

[thegraverobber]

On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 4:22 PM, fuzzy_bricks said:

One would think they would have been more on the same page for all three of the new movies considering the size of the franchise.

Are you posting that video ironically or seriously?

JJ was an Executive Producer on TLJ. He and Rian collaborated during TFA. JJ said the script for TLJ was so good that he wished he was directing it.

I don't think Simon Pegg being on the set for a few days is a very trustworthy source, lol. The clickbait sites are having a field day today.

"Unlike almost everyone else in the world, Ridley has known for years who Rey's parents are, since Abrams told her on the set of The Force Awakens. Ridley believes that nothing ever changed: "I thought what I was told in the beginning is what it is.""

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/the-last-jedi-cover-story-on-the-dark-new-star-wars-movie-w512703

[KShine]

I recall that they have had an ending/destination for the new trilogy (since very early on), and as long as that ending would still work, Rian was mostly free to do whatever he wanted.