STAR WARS VIII - "The Last Jedi" - Movie Discussion

[Fenix_2k1]

Ah to be a child again and not give a crap about any of the technicalities, plot holes, inconsistancies and pre conceived ideas of what Star Wars should be. 

Edited January 5, 2018 by Fenix_2k1

[KShine]

You've all convinced me - Star Wars is mostly just random nonsense.

At least we still have Santa.

[jeff_14]

3 minutes ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

are you guys all upset that a girl (Rey) is better at something than a boy (Luke)?  Could it be that simple?

Uh, no. I really liked the character of Rey and am a fan. I just don’t think anyone should be able to be a master Jedi the day after learning about the Force. It’s  that simple. Where is the struggle and drama if she just manifests deux ex machina powers for every threat? 

[exciter1]

5 minutes ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

are you guys all upset that a girl (Rey) is better at something than a boy (Luke)?  Could it be that simple?

I thought Rey was the coolest in TFA, now Rian made her mindmeld with Kylo.  You upset their isn't a romance?

[KShine]

3 minutes ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

are you guys all upset that a girl (Rey) is better at something than a boy (Luke)?  Could it be that simple?

Yea, I also saw that memo - "Anyone who doesn't like the Last Jedi is sexist, and racist".

[jonnyhanukkah]

10 hours ago, LegoMan1212 said:

 

I mean, when the FO has the AT-ATs and the cannon thing, they are perfectly lined up and once again 200 miles away from where they needed to start their trek.  Why don't we ever see the Deployment of these large machines. WHERE DO THEY KEEP THEM cause it seems that if they were on whatever ships above that they got creamed by the instant lightspeed, which I don't understand how it hurt so many ships and not just one, I mean, wouldn't it just go super fast like a bullet into the 1st ship and destroy itself instantly on impact.  Remember Rouge One (I think it is this movie) when they are trying to light speed out but the Imperial star destroyers warp in and the warping out ships get annihilated upon impact by the MUCH LARGER ship that was more of a dent than a huge blow.  My 1st thought after realizing immediately what she was going to do, was, well this shouldn't work, cause it didn't work in 3.5.  Also, back to the "trench battle" all the tie fighters had to do was fly parallel with their trench line and bye bye people in trenches and everything else.  One pass would have done the trick.  I get that Kylo would want to destroy the Falcon, but when all Ties are sent, it was only about 5 total.  I large battle and they brought only 5 or so tie fighters?  Not 12, not 50, not 100?  So all the tie's get destroyed but the AT-TEs and cannon thing were "on board" and ready for deployment the entire time? 

 

It's easy to assume that they started off far from the base because they needed some distance to use their re-purposed Death Star tech canon to blow a hole through the blast door.  They are staying ot of the blast radius.

Otherwise, if they blow the door off the rebel base on crait with their walkers and ships near by, they all get hit with the shrapnel and blast. 

[exciter1]

2 minutes ago, KShine said:

Yea, I also saw that memo - "Anyone who doesn't like the Last Jedi is sexist, and racist".

LOL, pretty easy to read isn't it.

2 minutes ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

It's easy to assume that they started off far from the base because they needed some distance to use their re-purposed Death Star tech canon to blow a hole through the blast door.  They are staying ot of the blast radius.

Otherwise, if they blow the door off the rebel base on crait with their walkers and ships near by, they all get hit with the shrapnel and blast. 

I think they were waiting on the big orc's to show, pick it up, and ram it through the door.

[Will 4]

1 hour ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

It's easy to assume that they started off far from the base because they needed some distance to use their re-purposed Death Star tech canon to blow a hole through the blast door.  They are staying ot of the blast radius.

Otherwise, if they blow the door off the rebel base on crait with their walkers and ships near by, they all get hit with the shrapnel and blast. 

In Ep5 did the imperial army wait to blow the door open on Hoth no they went in there and F***ed the rebels up thats why EP8 is so dissapointing as the FO just is not as good a villan as the empire or seperatists who for all the armies flaws had competent commanders like Tarkin.

To that point why can they not fly in after the blast or do they really care about their salt troopers?

[jeff_14]

39 minutes ago, Will 4 said:

In Ep5 did the imperial army wait to blow the door open on Hoth no they went in there and F***ed the rebels up thats why EP8 is so dissapointing as the FO just is not as good a villan as the empire or seperatists who for all the armies flaws had competent commanders like Tarkin.

To that point why can they not fly in after the blast or do they really care about their salt troopers?

To be fair, Vader executed his Admiral for not being more cautious, which is funny considering how impatient he was as Anakin. Plus the walkers deployed quite a distance from the base under Vader’s orders. I have no problem with the strategy for Crait. They didn’t know what if anything was waiting for them down there. They should have had he walkers blow away the poor man’s bwings skimming towards them though.

[stangirlang]

i'm looking to  buy the brickheadz Bobat Fett comic con with a signature from Marcos bessa on the front of the box. Would that be smart choice or no ?

[jonnyhanukkah]

1 hour ago, Will 4 said:

In Ep5 did the imperial army wait to blow the door open on Hoth no they went in there and F***ed the rebels up thats why EP8 is so dissapointing as the FO just is not as good a villan as the empire or seperatists who for all the armies flaws had competent commanders like Tarkin.

To that point why can they not fly in after the blast or do they really care about their salt troopers?

They were about to advance forward until Kylo told them all to stop and fire everything they had on Luke. It's all in the movie.

[Will 4]

4 hours ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

They were about to advance forward until Kylo told them all to stop and fire everything they had on Luke. It's all in the movie.

An example to the point of competent commanders I was very angry with this. Like really sad little emo boy must fulfil personal vendetta rather than the larger goal of victory look at ep4 rather than bag the Falcons crew on the death star they allowed them to escape to find Yavin 4 which was a reasonable plan.

5 hours ago, jeff_14 said:

To be fair, Vader executed his Admiral for not being more cautious, which is funny considering how impatient he was as Anakin. Plus the walkers deployed quite a distance from the base under Vader’s orders. I have no problem with the strategy for Crait. They didn’t know what if anything was waiting for them down there. They should have had he walkers blow away the poor man’s bwings skimming towards them though.

? Pretty sure he killed  Ozzel for not pursuing leads then screwing up the battle plan by alerting the rebels immediatley of their presence which ment they could not launch an orbital bombardment of the planet as the shields were switched on. If Ozzel had has his way the empire would have overlooked hoth which would have been much worse for the Empire he was the reason they had to deploy a ground assault which earnt him his death

Edited January 5, 2018 by Will 4

[jeff_14]

1 minute ago, Will 4 said:

An example to the point of competent commanders I was very angry with this. Like really sad little emo boy must fulfil personal vendetta rather than the larger goal of victory look at ep4 rather than bag the Falcons crew on the death star they allowed them to escape to find Yavin 4 which was a reasonable plan.

? Pretty sure he killed  Ozzel for not pursuing leads then screwing up the battle plan by alerting the rebels immediatley of their presence which ment they could not launch an orbital bombardment of the planet as the shields were switched on. If Ozzel had has his way the empire would have overlooked hoth which would have been much worse for the Empire he was the reason they had to deploy a ground assault which earnt him his death

They were never going to bombard the planet; at least not in a serious lethal way since Vader’s goal was to get Luke alive. Plus the Rebels could always have a shield up very quickly, as shown by them getting it up the moment the fleet arrived. Ozzel wanted a fast surprise, Vader wanted a quiet slow advance that might catch them unawares. Silly Ozzel

[Will 4]

10 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

They were never going to bombard the planet; at least not in a serious lethal way since Vader’s goal was to get Luke alive. Plus the Rebels could always have a shield up very quickly, as shown by them getting it up the moment the fleet arrived. Ozzel wanted a fast surprise, Vader wanted a quiet slow advance that might catch them unawares. Silly Ozzel

Nope the objective was to destroy the base and wipe the rebellion out only later did the objective change

as from sw wiki

General Veers reported this development to Vader, who voiced his disapproval at the admiral's tactical blunder as they would now be forced to deploy troops and equipment into a costly ground battle rather than simply annihilate the Rebels from space.

[Fenix_2k1]

Seriously. Go outside guys. ?

[jeff_14]

8 minutes ago, Will 4 said:

Nope the objective was to destroy the base and wipe the rebellion out only later did the objective change

as from sw wiki

General Veers reported this development to Vader, who voiced his disapproval at the admiral's tactical blunder as they would now be forced to deploy troops and equipment into a costly ground battle rather than simply annihilate the Rebels from space.

Nope. The objective was always catching Luke and friends. Says so right in the opening crawl and was confirmed in the recent Battlefront book.

[Will 4]

2 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

Nope. The objective was always catching Luke and friends. Says so right in the opening crawl and was confirmed in the recent Battlefront book.

Disagree don't forget the rebels made a mockery of Vader  with the destruction of the death star with Vader being demoted afterwards therefore he had personal motive to kill them and Luke would have been Vader's replacement and Vader saw how quickly the Emperor replaces apprentices therefore he had little intrest in preserving him until he realised it could benifit him with replacing the Emperor

[Bold-Arrow]

8 hours ago, KShine said:

Yea, I also saw that memo - "Anyone who doesn't like the Last Jedi is sexist, and racist".

 

[Mathew]

9 hours ago, jonnyhanukkah said:

are you guys all upset that a girl (Rey) is better at something than a boy (Luke)?  Could it be that simple?

You just had to make me bring out this (sorry your Avatar is a dead giveaway):

 

Rian Johnson is looking more and more like a patsy for the TLJ mess.  If only they cared more about storytelling and less about pushing an agenda:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

Edited January 6, 2018 by Mathew

[jeff_14]

28 minutes ago, Will 4 said:

Disagree don't forget the rebels made a mockery of Vader  with the destruction of the death star with Vader being demoted afterwards therefore he had personal motive to kill them and Luke would have been Vader's replacement and Vader saw how quickly the Emperor replaces apprentices therefore he had little intrest in preserving him until he realised it could benifit him with replacing the Emperor

Not quite. Vader and company are certainly keen to kill rebels, but Vader wants Luke alive. The key to the movie is in the opening crawl about how Vader is obsessed with finding Luke. Not killing, finding. He has just discovered how he was played yet again and missed out on 20 something Fathers Days and intends to make up for lost time. He is determined to get Luke into the family business but is doing so on the down low because he doesn’t want the Emperor to know. When Palps cold calls him in the movie that is when Vader learns the Emperor knows about Luke for the first time and when the Emperor wants him dead Vader shows his hand saying “if he could be turned”, trying to stall for time until he can make his overthrow the Emperor pitch to Luke. So while Vader wants Luke alive, he has not shared this purpose with his crew, who are treating this as a usual military seek and destroy mission, including wishing for an orbital bombardment that if done properly wouldn’t leave an ice cockroach alive. This is completely at odds with getting Luke alive so Vader wants to march in instead and catch the rebels by surprise. Ozzel screws the pooch on that score which is why Vader is livid. He won’t tell his minions that they’re really on Operation Fathers Day and its Veers that complains they can’t use an orbital bombardment not Vader. 

12 minutes ago, Mathew said:

You just had to make me bring out this (sorry your Avatar is a dead giveaway):

 

Rian Johnson is looking more and more like a patsy for the TLJ mess.  If only they cared more about storytelling and less about pushing an agenda:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

Thank you for this. Brilliant. 

[Mathew]

Speaking of Problem Glasses, Rian Johnson's "partner" Karina Longworth.  General Purple Hair was probably her idea ; )

 

Edited January 6, 2018 by Mathew

[Will 4]

45 minutes ago, Mathew said:

You just had to make me bring out this (sorry your Avatar is a dead giveaway):

Rian Johnson is looking more and more like a patsy for the TLJ mess.  If only they cared more about storytelling and less about pushing an agenda:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

I'm waiting for the part where they call Kylo a human supremisist for killing snoke.

[stackables]

1 hour ago, Fenix_2k1 said:

Seriously. Go outside guys. 

It is -10 degrees outside...no thank you

[jeff_14]

45 minutes ago, stackables said:

It is -10 degrees outside...no thank you

Feels like -40 here with the wind chill. Makes Hoth seem balmy. Could use an orbital strike just to warm things up. 

[jonnyhanukkah]

1 hour ago, Mathew said:

Speaking of Problem Glasses, Rian Johnson's "partner" Karina Longworth.  General Purple Hair was probably her idea ; )

 

This says SO much about you.  I'm peacing out of this thread. Enjoy, guys!