STAR WARS VIII - "The Last Jedi" - Movie Discussion

[stackables]

31 minutes ago, fossilrock said:

I've said it before, i'll say it again.  If the Han Solo movie is a flaming Val avatar, by the time episode 9 rolls around, a lot of people could be tuned out to where it does worse than the last jedi.  I know for the Han Solo movie, i'll give it an opening day chance.  But, I don't care if I see episode 9 opening day unless the first shot in the trailer shows Rey getting force pushed aside as pilot of the Millennium Falcon, then Luke transports his butt onto the Millennium Falcon saying "What's up, MFers- the rebellion has arrived". 

There are already strong rumors that the Han movie is a mess. 

[Mathew]

15 minutes ago, stackables said:

There are already strong rumors that the Han movie is a mess. 

Apparently 80% of the movie was re-shot after Ron Howard took over.  No trailer and barely any images and the movie is scheduled for release in five months.  I've got a bad feeling about this...

[stackables]

17 minutes ago, Mathew said:

Apparently 80% of the movie was re-shot after Ron Howard took over.  No trailer and barely any images and the movie is scheduled for release in five months.  I've got a bad feeling about this...

me too ha

[mudcatsfan]

1 hour ago, Mathew said:

Apparently 80% of the movie was re-shot after Ron Howard took over.  No trailer and barely any images and the movie is scheduled for release in five months.  I've got a bad feeling about this...

Happy beeps here buddy, come on

[California92563]

*Cough* 

 

[jeff_14]

1 minute ago, California92563 said:

*Cough* 

 

Cough, accchhh, aphlegm......The problem here is that the first 2 did not look like Mary Poppins with bad CGI when done. Ptoo

[Mathew]

I don't read comics.  And I could care less about expanded universe stuff.  If you thought that it was cool seeing Princess Leia flying through space then... whatever.  Along with Holodeck Luke being all post-mod with Emo Ren in the desert.  Someday there will be a Last Jedi drinking game for every stupid scene in that movie.  

With that said, I'm willing to admit that I'm now too old for Star Wars.  I was reasonably entertained by The Force Awakens and Rogue One.  But now it's time to say goodbye.  The original cast are dead.  Emo Ren and Nobody Rey's storyline is no longer interesting.  Chewie has run off with the Porgs.  Finn and Poe...Who are they again?  BB8 you're our last hope?  Time to unload all my Star Wars Lego on eBay while it's still worth something.

Edited January 5, 2018 by Mathew

[Alpinemaps]

I don't read comics.  And I could care less about expanded universe stuff.  If you thought that it was cool seeing Princess Leia flying through space then... whatever.  Along with Holodeck Luke being all post-mod with Emo Ren in the desert.  Someday there will be a Last Jedi drinking game for every stupid scene in that movie.  
With that said, I'm willing to admit that I'm now too old for Star Wars.  I was reasonably entertained by The Force Awakens and Rogue One.  But now it's time to say goodbye.  The original cast are dead.  Emo Ren and Nobody Rey's storyline is no longer interesting.  Chewie has run off with the Porgs.  Finn and Poe...Who are they again?  BB8 you're our last hope?  Time to unload all my Star Wars Lego on eBay while it's still worth something.

The point isn’t about whether she looked cool flying through space (I personally didn’t like it).

But the point of that comic is that it’s an established, in-universe “thing” that Jedi seem to be able to survive in the vacuum of space.

At least they are maintaining an internal consistency.

[LegoMan1212]

I have not read all 32 pages of this, but in general, the "fuel issue' was the best idea they could come up with for a movie????  I don't care how the rest goes, but THIS is the issue?  IDK, I'm a die hard fan like many others here, and this one although "looked" awesome graphically, it's just too much "huh?"  and cheesy lines

I mean, when the FO has the AT-ATs and the cannon thing, they are perfectly lined up and once again 200 miles away from where they needed to start their trek.  Why don't we ever see the Deployment of these large machines. WHERE DO THEY KEEP THEM cause it seems that if they were on whatever ships above that they got creamed by the instant lightspeed, which I don't understand how it hurt so many ships and not just one, I mean, wouldn't it just go super fast like a bullet into the 1st ship and destroy itself instantly on impact.  Remember Rouge One (I think it is this movie) when they are trying to light speed out but the Imperial star destroyers warp in and the warping out ships get annihilated upon impact by the MUCH LARGER ship that was more of a dent than a huge blow.  My 1st thought after realizing immediately what she was going to do, was, well this shouldn't work, cause it didn't work in 3.5.  Also, back to the "trench battle" all the tie fighters had to do was fly parallel with their trench line and bye bye people in trenches and everything else.  One pass would have done the trick.  I get that Kylo would want to destroy the Falcon, but when all Ties are sent, it was only about 5 total.  I large battle and they brought only 5 or so tie fighters?  Not 12, not 50, not 100?  So all the tie's get destroyed but the AT-TEs and cannon thing were "on board" and ready for deployment the entire time?  

Could go on and on, i'll take the movie at face value though and probably rank it as follows:

Tier 1: 4, 5, 6, 3.5

Tier 2: 2, 3

Tier 3: 8  because it's better than 1 and 7.

Tier 4: 7  (because it was a ******* copy, no credit for copy/paste)

Doesn't qualify:  1 (can't watch this one)  In our household, my kids and I start marathons with number 2. 

 

[jeff_14]

35 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

 

The point isn’t about whether she looked cool flying through space (I personally didn’t like it).

But the point of that comic is that it’s an established, in-universe “thing” that Jedi seem to be able to survive in the vacuum of space.

At least they are maintaining an internal consistency.

 

It has been established that trained regular users of the Force might be able to do this. Leia is neither

[California92563]

1 minute ago, jeff_14 said:

It has been established that trained regular users of the Force might be able to do this. Leia is neither

You don’t know that, there is a lot of unexplored time in between ep6 and 7. In the past with the EU books luke mildly trained leia in the force so it’s not a stretch considering her bloodline. 

[jeff_14]

4 minutes ago, California92563 said:

You don’t know that, there is a lot of unexplored time in between ep6 and 7. In the past with the EU books luke mildly trained leia in the force so it’s not a stretch considering her bloodline. 

We do know that. Abrams is on record as saying  Leia concentrated on politics and the resistance and did nothing about training. The books go into this as well. Plus, Leia was unconscious after being exploded into space. She shouldn’t have survived that, much less woken up to manifest complete mastery of this previously unknown skill. Who does she think she is, Rey?

[Alpinemaps]

We do know that. Abrams is on record as saying  Leia concentrated on politics and the resistance and did nothing about training. The books go into this as well. Plus, Leia was unconscious after being exploded into space. She shouldn’t have survived that, much less woken up to manifest complete mastery of this previously unknown skill. Who does she think she is, Rey?

Abrams isn’t canon though. On screen. Comics. Books. Other media.

We don’t know what she’s been taught.

We know that Leia is the daughter and sister to two very powerful Force users. As far as we know, Rey isn’t related to anyone.

[Darth_Raichu]

1 hour ago, LegoMan1212 said:

I mean, when the FO has the AT-ATs and the cannon thing, they are perfectly lined up and once again 200 miles away from where they needed to start their trek.  Why don't we ever see the Deployment of these large machines. 

So you are angry that they were being consistent with ep V, I, & Clone Wars series ????  Heck even Krennic parked his shuttle far away from Erso's farm 

 

[California92563]

1 minute ago, Darth_Raichu said:

So you are angry that they were being consistent with ep V, I, & Clone Wars series ????  Heck even Krennic parked his shuttle far away from Erso's farm 

 

It was the polite thing to do. 

[jeff_14]

19 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

 

Abrams isn’t canon though. On screen. Comics. Books. Other media.

We don’t know what she’s been taught.

We know that Leia is the daughter and sister to two very powerful Force users. As far as we know, Rey isn’t related to anyone.

 

Abrams worked with the canon people. She could be the daughter of Michael Jordan, doesn’t mean she can shoot hoops without practice. Luke was semi trained and was pretty piss poor at most Force things.

[Darth_Raichu]

5 minutes ago, California92563 said:

It was the polite thing to do. 

Yeah the Trade Federation was so polite, by the time their droids were halfway to Naboo capital, Obi Wan and Quigon were able to go to the underwater city, argue with Gungan king, travel to the capital, and save the queen. Oh and the peaceful Gungan were able to assemble their army and weapons, plus deploying them to a field to meet the droids

[fuzzy_bricks]

The Leia scene just came off as clunky to me.  It reminded me of this scene in BvS.  It didn't help that Carrie Fisher had died and I assumed they were looking for a way to close her story.  

 

[Alpinemaps]

Abrams worked with the canon people. She could be the daughter of Michael Jordan, doesn’t mean she can shoot hoops without practice. Luke was semi trained and was pretty piss poor at most Force things.

If we’re using what directors say about the film, then Snoke = Plegius per Rian.

Pablo and the canon group are there to make sure things stay consist. But what’s on screen is what is canon.

I talked about Luke’s failures previously, but he wasn’t piss poor at most Force things. He held Vader at bay twice. Helped defeat the Emperor. Fought pretty good at Janna’s. Where was he piss poor? He’s the son of the Chosen One.

[Bold-Arrow]

The entire flying in space moment does nothing to advance the story for me . she could have been knocked unconscious  in the explosion and we would achieved the same effect .  They wanted to go with cheap shock/emotional effect of there goes Carrie , but oh wait nope , ha ha . Some will like it others ,like me, won’t . 

Will Leia use this power again? Highly unlikely , heck she will probably will be killed off in the opening crawl for IX

 

[Will 4]

2 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

If we’re using what directors say about the film, then Snoke = Plegius per Rian.

Well he was into killing himself and coming back although I was hoping it was the Sith emperor from the old republic but he would have wiped out the resistance in TFA for fun

[fuzzy_bricks]

2 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

The entire flying in space moment does nothing to advance the story for me . she could have been knocked unconscious  in the explosion and we would achieved the same effect .  They wanted to go with cheap shock/emotional effect of there goes Carrie , but oh wait nope , ha ha . Some will like it others ,like me, won’t . 

Will Leia use this power again? Highly unlikely , heck she will probably will be killed off in the opening crawl for IX

From the article that was posted, looks like this may have originated with Kathy.

 

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Another surprise in this film is seeing Leia use her latent Force powers after decades of being the Skywalker twin who doesn’t wield the Force. Why was that an important parting gift to give both Leia and Carrie Fisher?

That was something Kathy [Kennedy] was always asking: Why has this never manifested in Leia? She obviously made a choice, because in “Return of the Jedi” Luke tells her, “You have that power too.” I liked the idea that it’s not Luke concentrating, reaching for the lightsaber; it’s an instinctual survival thing, like when you hear stories of a parent whose toddler is caught under a car and they get superhuman strength, or a drowning person clawing their way to the surface. It’s basically just her not being done with the fight yet.

I wanted it to happen [for Carrie] and I knew it was going to be a stretch. It’s a big moment, and I’m sure it will land different ways for different people, but for me it felt like a really emotionally satisfying thing to see.

 

 

[jeff_14]

35 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

 

If we’re using what directors say about the film, then Snoke = Plegius per Rian.

Pablo and the canon group are there to make sure things stay consist. But what’s on screen is what is canon.

I talked about Luke’s failures previously, but he wasn’t piss poor at most Force things. He held Vader at bay twice. Helped defeat the Emperor. Fought pretty good at Janna’s. Where was he piss poor? He’s the son of the Chosen One.

 

Luke failed at pretty much everything he did in Empire. He was not holding Vader off. Vader was testing his son. He could have killed him at any moment if he wanted. All Luke managed was an occasional surprise contact like with he hose or the shoulder slash, which never would have happened if Vader was intent on killing him. Luke didn’t use the Force at all in that fight other than the jump out of the freezing chamber, and when he was down his only move was attempted suicide. In Jedi he beats a conflicted Vader only by going to the dark side, and doesn’t beat the Emperor at all, or even do anything to him. I’m not complaining about that, just observing that his struggle is a lot harder and less Force dependent than MaRey Sue by comparison, despite being son of the chosen one.

[exciter1]

5 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

Luke failed at pretty much everything he did in Empire. He was not holding Vader off. Vader was testing his son. He could have killed him at any moment if he wanted. All Luke managed was an occasional surprise contact like with he hose or the shoulder slash, which never would have happened if Vader was intent on killing him. Luke didn’t use the Force at all in that fight other than the jump out of the freezing chamber, and when he was down his only move was attempted suicide. In Jedi he beats a conflicted Vader only by going to the dark side, and doesn’t beat the Emperor at all, or even do anything to him. I’m not complaining about that, just observing that his struggle is a lot harder and less Force dependent than MaRey Sue by comparison, despite being son of the chosen one.

He's a damn good fisherman, that's all we need to know.

[jonnyhanukkah]

are you guys all upset that a girl (Rey) is better at something than a boy (Luke)?  Could it be that simple?