STAR WARS VIII - "The Last Jedi" - Movie Discussion

[Darth_Raichu]

9 minutes ago, stackables said:

He was memorable because he was actually a menacing bad guy who looked and played the part.  If you prefer you villains/bad guys to be like howdy doody Hux or emo Ren then so be it

Maul? Menacing? Really? In CW absolutely, but in Phantom Menace? Seriously?

But sure, I do not like yes men like Maul (wasn't that his only line in the entire movie?)  At least Kylo managed to fool and kill his much stronger master (who was also a yes man btw)

[stackables]

3 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Maul? Menacing? Really? In CW absolutely, but in Phantom Menace? Seriously?

But sure, I do not like yes men like Maul (wasn't that his only line in the entire movie?)  At least Kylo managed to fool and kill his much stronger master (who was also a yes man btw)

Yeah, him killing his master made total sense in the movie.  Hey, I can link 2 minds together and know your thoughts.  Wait I can't sense that old lightsaber 2 inches from my body...brilliant. 

[jeff_14]

4 minutes ago, stackables said:

Yeah, him killing his master made total sense in the movie.  Hey, I can link 2 minds together and know your thoughts.  Wait I can't sense that old lightsaber 2 inches from my body...brilliant. 

Hee Hee, my thoughts exactly on Snoke. AND Maul was menacing. There was never a moment when he wasn’t in control of either fight until he died, and he had Boba Fett coolness being a man of few words while looking awesome and being the best fighter we’ve seen in the entire saga so far. I think they used him just enough in the prequels to avoid over exposure. He wasn’t needed for what Dooku was up to in II and the fact that we wanted more tells me they did it just right, like the brief but awesome Vader cameo in Rogue One

[Darth_Raichu]

3 minutes ago, stackables said:

Yeah, him killing his master made total sense in the movie.  Hey, I can link 2 minds together and know your thoughts.  Wait I can't sense that old lightsaber 2 inches from my body...brilliant. 

Snoke did know Kylo wanted to kill his main enemy. He just did not know who that enemy is.  And the only one who claimed he could read mind was Snoke. We were never shown any truth of that claim.  Plus he was focusing on spunky Rey.  Classic overconfident.  I think that was great writing btw.  

Not much can be said about Maul in Phantom Menace though 

[jeff_14]

6 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

Snoke did know Kylo wanted to kill his main enemy. He just did not know who that enemy is.  And the only one who claimed he could read mind was Snoke. We were never shown any truth of that claim.  Plus he was focusing on spunky Rey.  Classic overconfident.  I think that was great writing btw.  

Not much can be said about Maul in Phantom Menace though 

If Snoke can read his mind and set up psychic links across hyperspace and see everything he should damn well know what Kylo is about to do in vivid colour. 

There may not have been a lot to Maul but at least it all worked and was cool

[Darth_Raichu]

16 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

If Snoke can read his mind and set up psychic links across hyperspace and see everything he should damn well know what Kylo is about to do in vivid colour. 

Again, the only one claiming mind reading ability was Snoke.  We were not shown how much of Kylo's mind he could read (or if Kylo just let Snoke think Snoke could read Kylo's mind).

[MrGreedy]

10 hours ago, kumas said:

TLJ was terrible mess and killed all the thrill for any future SW movie

I don’t really get the hate tbh. Sure there were unlikeable elements (Leia’s space swim, the whole casino section) but on the whole it was a rip roaring space adventure in the tradition of the series. It felt fresh and unpredictable. I liked Luke as a grumpy old man who’d lost his confidence and faith. I liked Kylo killing his master to replace him (it certainly didn’t go the way I thought). I liked the tension between Hux and Kylo and how they both kept making bad decisions.

The Force Awakens was criticised for being a tired rehash of A New Hope and The Last Jedi is criticised for being too different so maybe it is impossible to please everyone.

[Val-E]

1 hour ago, MrGreedy said:

The Force Awakens was criticised for being a tired rehash of A New Hope and The Last Jedi is criticised for being too different so  maybe it is impossible to please OT Fans.

Fixed.

[Val-E]

Interesting summary of all TLJ Lego sets.

 

[Will 4]

Based on comparisons between TLG and TFA just going to leave this here.

[Val-E]

That´s why Fast and Furious is so successful. They make the same movie a hundred times over and just change the actors one at a time. The one time they tried something different (Tokyo drift) it tanked.

Edited December 30, 2017 by Val-E

[stackables]

I am pretty sure most fans are not upset they tried something different.  We don't like the movie because it is terribly written and it was a sequel to spaceballs. 

[jeff_14]

9 minutes ago, stackables said:

I am pretty sure most fans are not upset they tried something different.  We don't like the movie because it is terribly written and it was a sequel to spaceballs. 

Correct.

[Val-E]

14 minutes ago, stackables said:

I am pretty sure most fans are not upset they tried something different.  We don't like the movie because it is terribly written and it was a sequel to spaceballs. 

I think you nailed it. TFA was self-loving and TLJ was self-parody. Non-fans may find it funny (the same as they do that a galaxy far away is populated who are fluent in Wookie and droidspeak and can fly any spaceship the first time with no training,  yet all speak English in regional UK or Californian accents) but those who have been in it from the beginning feel cheated/mocked by Disney.

Edited December 30, 2017 by Val-E

[stackables]

2 minutes ago, Val-E said:

I think you nailed it. TFA was self-loving and TLJ was self-parody. Non-fans may find it funny (the same as they do that a galaxy far away is populated who are fluent in Wookie and droidspeak and can fly any spaceship the first time with no training,  yet all speak English in regional UK or Californian accents) but those who have been in it from the beginning feel cheated/mocked by Disney.

Spot on.  Perhaps my expectations were high but I at least expected a well written movie.  You would think a billion dollar franchise would pick a director/writer that had more credits than Looper. I only thought TFA was decent.  It at least made me want to watch the next movie.  I definitely can say the Last Jedi has not made me look forward to the next movie.  Are there any mysteries left?  Unless the 3rd movie does something crazy like turn Rey to the dark side, we can pretty much guess how the trilogy will end. 

[thelovemachine]

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[jeff_14]

26 minutes ago, thelovemachine said:

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Yeah here’s what’s wrong with that. Obi-wan and Yoda went into hiding with a purpose and mission for fixing things. Luke became a whiny little beyatch with no plans for anything but expiring like old cheese. Lame

[fuzzy_bricks]

32 minutes ago, stackables said:

Spot on.  Perhaps my expectations were high but I at least expected a well written movie.  You would think a billion dollar franchise would pick a director/writer that had more credits than Looper. I only thought TFA was decent.  It at least made me want to watch the next movie.  I definitely can say the Last Jedi has not made me look forward to the next movie.  Are there any mysteries left?  Unless the 3rd movie does something crazy like turn Rey to the dark side, we can pretty much guess how the trilogy will end. 

There is a story group that should help out, but this article makes it seem that social commentary is more important.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

 

[Ed Mack]

23 minutes ago, jeff_14 said:

Yeah here’s what’s wrong with that. Obi-wan and Yoda went into hiding with a purpose and mission for fixing things. Luke became a whiny little beyatch with no plans for anything but expiring like old cheese. Lame

Luke was always a whiny little beyatch.  

[fuzzy_bricks]

A New Hope Luke was, but he came around by the end.  Which is kind of the problem, until TLJ, this is the Luke we know from the movies.

 

[tawsauce]

Look at it this way. Luke cut himself completely off from the force. He could have faced his frustration and disappointment in himself and Ben solo by turning to the dark side. Would that have brought satisfaction? The strong are not always what they seem. Most who watched this movie went in hoping to see Luke swing his green lightsaber one more time. After all Han Solo got his time on screen and Leia (somewhat) and people were happy with that in force awakens. Since Luke did nothing like what people thought he would do, the movie gets picked on...

[jeff_14]

41 minutes ago, Ed Mack said:

Luke was always a whiny little beyatch.  

Not by Return of the Jedi. This is the sequel trilogy’s main problem with the OT characters - it put them back where they were in New Hope undoing all their progress. Han is back single and smuggling, Leia is back running a rebellion (but now she shoots good guys instead of bad guys) and Luke is a whiny beyatch with his entire hero’s journey undone as if it never happened. 

[Skremt]

So here's the thing that bothered me about Luke (in addition to the poor writing in general, poor characters and lame humor): Luke Skywalker, the guy who sensed the good in the second most evil man in the galaxy, who was a mass murderer and hunter of Jedi, and wanted to turn him back to the light side of the force, and might I add, succeded, gave up on his nephew, the son of his best friend and his sister, after he sensed a little darkness in him, and wanted to kill him instead of trying to guide him to the light side. We waited 35 years for this.

It's not a problem that we turn our focus on the new characters and such, but it was done in a bizarre and insulting way.

[squeakdigital00]

What if obi-wan was using the force in Episode IV? Similar to Luke in ROTJ. He was never struck down by Vader.

 

 

[jeff_14]

36 minutes ago, squeakdigital00 said:

What if obi-wan was using the force in Episode IV? Similar to Luke in ROTJ. He was never struck down by Vader.

 

 

I hope you’re not serious with this. Of course he was using the Force. Obi-wan won that fight. Vader couldn’t touch him and then he left.