STAR WARS VIII - "The Last Jedi" - Movie Discussion

[Will 4]

20 minutes ago, Val-E said:

And Fast and Furious franchise watchable.

Disagree Its just too awful watch. As for best movie of 2017 just seen it The greatest showman.

[Migration]

I decided to go back this evening to watch the late show in a mostly empty theatre.  And I must say, the luster of the first viewing had worn off, and if this film doesnt' win a raspberry then something is wrong. It's terrible.  And the second viewing reminded me of when I went back to see the Phantom Menace a second time, because I thought maybe I was delusional from not really completely enjoying my first viewing.  This film is bad.

This may be the first time I have almost 100% agreed with you.

The longer I think about it the less I like it. Not to say there weren’t decent parts, but as a whole it just sucked.

[Guest TabbyBoy]

I'll wait until the New Year to watch it as I don't do queues or crowds. I remember watching TFA at my local Showcase in one of their Atmos auditoria with fantastic reclining seats and nearly a row to ourselves. A few mates have seen TLJ and were quite disappointed.

[ChadWick1e46]

11 hours ago, fossilrock said:

I decided to go back this evening to watch the late show in a mostly empty theatre.  And I must say, the luster of the first viewing had worn off, and if this film doesnt' win a raspberry then something is wrong. It's terrible.  And the second viewing reminded me of when I went back to see the Phantom Menace a second time, because I thought maybe I was delusional from not really completely enjoying my first viewing.  This film is bad.

It's funny you mention "the phantom menace" episode 1...

i too had Flashbacks to that horrible time I walked out of the theater and flat out lied to the channel 6 news crew interviewing peeps and said, 

"...it was a good Flick..."

total lie then, and now it's repeated itself...I think the whole deal that this film to us 'Star Wars die hards' is that we don't want it to fail, we want it to be great, but what we got was an editing nightmare with mediolcre clone war lore integrated into a moshpit of half baked storylines that basically killed a near perfect setup from episode 7, destroyed iconic Long time characters(Luke), and sold out to Cash in on "porG" sales....

i did think the the movie was well directed as far as the cinematic shots and scenes go...but whatever happened in the editing after that I'm sure they were all smoking Bantha Fodder and green Intant Muffins...

Edited December 18, 2017 by ChadWick1e46

[Mathew]

4 hours ago, fuzzy_bricks said:

That was sarcasm.  I've heard a lot of complaints about the movie, but not having enough romance is a new one.

Han and Leia were romantic. Somehow people forget how important that was to the original trilogy. Movies in general need romance to be appealing. Cinema is a dying art form. 

[Alpinemaps]

Please, no spoilers yet.

[Val-E]

3 minutes ago, Alpinemaps said:

Please, no spoilers yet.

TBH it makes little sense to habve 2 threads going on the same film. Why not lock this one for a few days and people can comment in the spoiler one in the meantime?

[Jeff Mack]

11 minutes ago, Val-E said:

TBH it makes little sense to habve 2 threads going on the same film. Why not lock this one for a few days and people can comment in the spoiler one in the meantime?

I agree, but we will give it more time.  I know plenty of people have not had a chance to see it yet and may wait until they have some time off between the holidays.  We will keep it as is for a bit, then merge at some point.  It still works fine for now.

[Shewie]

I'm still conflicted which movie should take the grand Golden Raspberry Award as a worst picture of 2017.

Ghostbusters was screened in 2016 so my frontrunners this year are The Last Jedi, Emoji Movie and perhaps 50 Shades Darker.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Shewie

[Val-E]

14 minutes ago, Shewie said:

I'm still conflicted which movie should take the grand Golden Raspberry Award as a worst picture of 2017.

Ghostbusters was screened in 2016 so my frontrunners this year are The Last Jedi, Emoji Movie and perhaps 50 Shades Darker.

Lego Batman Movie has to be up there too. I´ll give the Ninjago one a pass but only just.

[mysterhee]

While the Last Jedi was disappointing, to be fair, I think this movie was so much better than Force Awakens. However, it just seems like Disney is turning Star Wars into big merchandising opportunities without any concern for the content.

[Alpinemaps]

1 hour ago, Shewie said:

I'm still conflicted which movie should take the grand Golden Raspberry Award as a worst picture of 2017.

Ghostbusters was screened in 2016 so my frontrunners this year are The Last Jedi, Emoji Movie and perhaps 50 Shades Darker.

Emoji.  Even my kids hated.

[Mathew]

55 minutes ago, mysterhee said:

While the Last Jedi was disappointing, to be fair, I think this movie was so much better than Force Awakens. However, it just seems like Disney is turning Star Wars into big merchandising opportunities without any concern for the content.

The confusing part is that TFA tried too hard to please fans and TLJ in turn spits in their face.  There is a middle ground that hopefully can be made out of Ep. 9.  The problem is that the next film completely rests on the shoulders of Rey and Ren.  Their story by the end of TLJ isn't all that interesting.  It's basically been told in two films.  Honestly, what is there to look forward to in Ep. 9?  Killing off R2-D2?  It wouldn't surprise me. 

Edited December 18, 2017 by Mathew

[Shewie]

2 hours ago, Mathew said:

 Honestly, what is there to look forward to in Ep. 9?  Killing off R2-D2?  It wouldn't surprise me. 

SPOILER ALERT

Super-Leia dies in Ep 9 after clash with captain marvel.

[Ciglione]

2 hours ago, Mathew said:

Honestly, what is there to look forward to in Ep. 9?  Killing off R2-D2?  It wouldn't surprise me. 

Yeah... he has to go.

I think it will be BB-8 who will do him. "Kylo Ren says hello".

[GreekBrick]

A betrayal to the Legacy...

 

[exracer327]

On 12/17/2017 at 9:20 PM, Shewie said:

fixed that for you.

Fail with the Kylo Ren Shuttle was a different pair of shoes.

Actually, you didn't.  You apparently missed my point.

To your point, the FO snowspeeder was cut from the movie all together.  However, in the deleted scenes, it is clear that LEGO pretty much nailed the ship. 

My point to the "fail" is that the LEGO command shuttle wings should swing "out," not "up".  So in both cases, the heavy scout walker and the command shuttle, which were both in the movie do not look or function like their respective LEGO set.  So no, the FO snowspeeder is not an example of what I was saying.

[Fenix_2k1]

18 minutes ago, exracer327 said:

Actually, you didn't.  You apparently missed my point.

To your point, the FO snowspeeder was cut from the movie all together.  However, in the deleted scenes, it is clear that LEGO pretty much nailed the ship. 

My point to the "fail" is that the LEGO command shuttle wings should swing "out," not "up".  So in both cases, the heavy scout walker and the command shuttle, which were both in the movie do not look or function like their respective LEGO set.  So no, the FO snowspeeder is not an example of what I was saying.

I think the problem is that Lego have to base their models on early illustrations and the director can always ask for a redesign. The Dreadnought in TLJ was apparently not design complete until the film entered post production according to the designer.

[zskid00]

I really didn't like the movie.  I was half expecting that considering how I felt after TFA, but this new Star Wars saga just isn't for me.  I also can't believe how powerful the First Order is.  Their military base which they spent so many resources on was wiped out in TFA yet they are still the aggressors here against the Resistance.  I can't believe that in a galaxy this large the Resistance is so small and weak in comparison.  It seems like they are trying very hard to stick to the same OT plot lines but with different characters.

[Shewie]

@exracer327
I compared both of those sets because neither made to the final cut.
Kylo ren shuttle was a different pair of shoes because LEGO designers received very early sketches of the shuttle without extended wings. Shortsighting, lack of communication between disney and lego design and marketing department resulted in what we have right now.

[mizeur]

On 12/18/2017 at 5:07 PM, Mathew said:

The confusing part is that TFA tried too hard to please fans and TLJ in turn spits in their face.  There is a middle ground that hopefully can be made out of Ep. 9.  The problem is that the next film completely rests on the shoulders of Rey and Ren.  Their story by the end of TLJ isn't all that interesting.  It's basically been told in two films.  Honestly, what is there to look forward to in Ep. 9?  

The problem with all of the movies is that they've been wrapped up in telling the story of the conflict between the light side of the force and the dark side of the force largely based on how it affects 1 family at the center of the conflict. In TFA we see glimpses of planets that were part of the New Republic seconds before they're destroyed. In TLJ there are other hints of the larger galaxy. And while Canto Bight didn't do much for the plot and wasn't perfectly executed, it did quite a bit for the story by at least sketching out how the Light vs Dark conflict connects to everyone who isn't part of the Skywalker soap opera, the Empire/First Order, and Resistance/Rebels.

They'd be well-served by closing out the new trilogy by showing what's actually at stake, the consequences of the conflict, and why people would want to be combatants.

 

Edited December 21, 2017 by mizeur
removed possible spoiler

[Fenix_2k1]

33 minutes ago, zskid00 said:

I really didn't like the movie.  I was half expecting that considering how I felt after TFA, but this new Star Wars saga just isn't for me.  I also can't believe how powerful the First Order is.  Their military base which they spent so many resources on was wiped out in TFA yet they are still the aggressors here against the Resistance.  I can't believe that in a galaxy this large the Resistance is so small and weak in comparison.  It seems like they are trying very hard to stick to the same OT plot lines but with different characters.

How many wars do you know of where the aggressor only has one base or weapon and as soon as that's destroyed its all over? Are you forgetting that they have basically taken over the whole galaxy bar some pockets of resistance?

I think its simply a case that you were a different person when you saw OT. If current you watched the OT films now in 2017 for the first time with really high expectations of what it should deliver you'd probably tear the plotlines to bits even easier and not rate the films much at all.

 

[KShine]

On 12/18/2017 at 6:07 PM, Mathew said:

The confusing part is that TFA tried too hard to please fans and TLJ in turn spits in their face.

Agreed - It is pretty inexcusable to allow the first two movies of a supposed trilogy to go from one extreme of respecting the traditions of Star Wars to the total disregard of them.

If you want to make crap, make crap - but at least make it consistent crap.

[zskid00]

16 minutes ago, Fenix_2k1 said:

How many wars do you know of where the aggressor only has one base or weapon and as soon as that's destroyed its all over? Are you forgetting that they have basically taken over the whole galaxy bar some pockets of resistance?

But how did they take over the galaxy so quickly?  Oh, that's right another Death Star which was very convenient in wiping out five planets at a time.  In the wake of ROTJ the Republic didn't know anything about the growing threat of the First Order and then disarmed much of the galaxy to make themselves vulnerable?  None of that makes sense to me other than to reset the balance of power to fit the framework of the Empire vs. Rebellion that we are familiar with from the OT.   

[Fenix_2k1]

3 minutes ago, zskid00 said:

But how did they take over the galaxy so quickly?  Oh, that's right another Death Star which was very convenient in wiping out five planets at a time.  In the wake of ROTJ the Republic didn't know anything about the growing threat of the First Order and then disarmed much of the galaxy to make themselves vulnerable?  None of that makes sense to me other than to reset the balance of power to fit the framework of the Empire vs. Rebellion that we are familiar with from the OT.   

World War 1 - World War 2? Germans caught everyone by surprise within 30 years of being told they couldn't build an army.