Ed Mack Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 With the illegal reproduction of LEGO minifigures and bricks by counterfeiters on the rise, I thought it would be a help to the community as a whole to show how to identify fakes and frauds. I am quite unfamiliar myself as to what to look for. Photos would be appreciated as well. Thanks...So my question is this...How does a LEGO fan and collector identify a counterfeit LEGO minifigure or brick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader888 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 doesn't authentic Lego have the name "LEGO" branded on every piece? For minifigures, you can see the logo inside the legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHawkeye Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I just look for the teeny tiny Lego trademark imprinted on the pieces. I think most if not all pieces they produce has it somewhere (maybe minifig hands are an exception?)Hopefully no counterfeiters have started adding this because they would fool me Edited September 1, 2015 by HappyHawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waydog Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 For minifigures, price is one way to tell. At toy expos and comicons i go to, there is always a booth loaded with mini and maxifigures and its 5 for $20. A real black widow minifig goes for a lot more online but they have 50 of them for $4 a piece. I refuse to buy from them. I have been trying to complete sets that my son lost or traded away minifigs and its been interesting doing the research and shopping for real minifigs and then seeing the prices at these booths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Mack Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 doesn't authentic Lego have the name "LEGO" branded on every piece? For minifigures, you can see the logo inside the legs. I don't know. That is why I am asking. Do all torsos have a LEGO brand? Legs? Arms? Do any knockoffs have LEGO brands on them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader888 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I don't know. That is why I am asking. Do all torsos have a LEGO brand? Legs? Arms? Do any knockoffs have LEGO brands on them?I've built about 23 sets of LEGO the past 3 months. I'm quite sure every single piece I've come across has their logo on it. The minifigures I've only noticed the logo in the hollow area of the legs, and its kinda hard to see. I didn't see any other branding in arms/body/head.The quality on LEGO is higher I find as well....especially compared to MegaBlocks. All knock offs just look off (in colour/quality/texture). Edited September 1, 2015 by Vader888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgschmieg3 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I have bought many large lots and often run across fake minifigures that are often on eBay. All the fakes are missing the Lego brand name between the two studs on the top of the legs. In addition, the hole of the top of the head is often different than real Lego. I have built 100's of sets and fake Legos have a different type of sheen to them. I find them to more shiny. More transparent like - especially the white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huskers1236 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 For Minifigs (new version)Head has logo inside top stud and underneath itTorso has logo on neck studHips have logo in between leg studsLegs have logo in hollow of feet The previous version of the head that had the hollow stud with supports, I don't think had logos. For pieces, yes virtually every piece has the Lego logo and part number on it. I have found the rare part that does not have this, but they are very oddball parts that I had to scour Bricklink to find them to make sure they were, in fact, a lego part and I didn't throw it away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KShine Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I am a bit concerned about this discussion, as it has become a very sensitive issue nowadays.Perhaps the brick is Trans-Brand, and self identifies as a LEGO Brick - I would suggest it best to ask the brick if it feels like a LEGO brick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego rules Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't have any experience with knockoffs but if the only thing missing is the word "Lego", that could pose a problem at some point. It is not very difficult to add that into the mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedsausage Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't have any experience with knockoffs but if the only thing missing is the word "Lego", that could pose a problem at some point. It is not very difficult to add that into the mold.I have to agree and disagree with you. When the counterfeiters fine tune the fit and finish of their knockoffs, having the lego embossed on the parts will make it very difficult to tell them apart and be a huge game changer. But to say it's not difficult to add "lego" to the mould couldn't be farther from the truth. It is possible but it would take a highly skilled machinist. I know this because I am one who has worked in a mould shop. Im sure the knockoffs will get to this point sooner than later. When they do, probably the only way to differentiate between an authentic minifig to a fake is the type of plastic they use and how inconsistent the colouring is to a real minifigs. colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarleyMoose Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I believe the minifig arms have LEGO printed on the inside bicep area iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huskers1236 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I believe the minifig arms have LEGO printed on the inside bicep area iirc.I checked a figure when I made my last post and did not see anything, but that's not to say it hasn't ever been done. I have to think the biggest issue with counterfeit figures adding "Lego" to the mold is that they have crossed a threshold of copying a toy to blatant trademark infringement. I'm honestly surprised we haven't heard of any litigation on these copies yet as many Lego intellectual properties such as Ninjago and Friends have been copied, but "Lego" hasn't been used yet in them.At the end of the day, If your potential buyer is willing to put up serious money on a retired product, he/she is probably not in the market for counterfeit products in the first place. Yes, it gives the consumer reason to pause on a purchase worrying that your figure is real, but for those that are more geared to set selling as opposed to Bricklink/part shops, I would think those will be mostly unscathed. If you're a seller of figures, taking better pictures showing Lego trademarks would be wise as long as that is a definite difference from the fakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego rules Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I have to agree and disagree with you. When the counterfeiters fine tune the fit and finish of their knockoffs, having the lego embossed on the parts will make it very difficult to tell them apart and be a huge game changer. But to say it's not difficult to add "lego" to the mould couldn't be farther from the truth. It is possible but it would take a highly skilled machinist. I know this because I am one who has worked in a mould shop.Im sure the knockoffs will get to this point sooner than later. When they do, probably the only way to differentiate between an authentic minifig to a fake is the type of plastic they use and how inconsistent the colouring is to a real minifigs. colour.I am quite certain they have CNC engraving machines now, but back in the day we used a pantograph machine. There is a certain skill set required, but nothing too difficult to accomplish.I believe they are testing the limits and by avoiding putting the lego logo, they are avoiding a war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsuskee Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 They normally dont connect to the studs like they should. They fit like my minifigs from the 80's that have had hundreds of hours of play in them. They fit just not very tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedsausage Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I am quite certain they have CNC engraving machines now, but back in the day we used a pantograph machine. There is a certain skill set required, but nothing too difficult to accomplish.I believe they are testing the limits and by avoiding putting the lego logo, they are avoiding a war.Yes they do. It doesn't really matter what CNC they use, engraver, vertical, horizontal etc., it's all in the skill set of the tradesman that is setting up that first piece. That's thousands of dollars in a lost mould and even more in lost production. They want to imitate lego so it needs to be in exactly the same spot, same text style, depth etc. then they can have a monkey load and unload the moulds at this point. I've dealt with a lot of parts that come from China and 90% of them are crap due to cheap prices and poor quality control. In the end this will probably be Legos saving grace, their commitment to consistency and quality.To reinforce Huskers post and your 2nd comment, I watched an episode of "Underworld inc." about counterfeiters. Apparently what they do isn't illegal until they brand it. This is definitely the best method to ID a knock off for now, the lack of branding on each piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boliramirez Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) I have to agree and disagree with you. When the counterfeiters fine tune the fit and finish of their knockoffs, having the lego embossed on the parts will make it very difficult to tell them apart and be a huge game changer. But to say it's not difficult to add "lego" to the mould couldn't be farther from the truth. It is possible but it would take a highly skilled machinist. I know this because I am one who has worked in a mould shop. Im sure the knockoffs will get to this point sooner than later. When they do, probably the only way to differentiate between an authentic minifig to a fake is the type of plastic they use and how inconsistent the colouring is to a real minifigs. colour. Well I will have to dissagree too, It is not difficult at all to brand the part with the Lego word, I does not require a skilled machinist, you just need a die sink EDM or a good CNC milling machine..... I own an injection mold facilty by the way..... Edited September 2, 2015 by boliramirez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Raichu Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 With the illegal reproduction of LEGO minifigures and bricks by counterfeiters on the rise, I thought it would be a help to the community as a whole to show how to identify fakes and frauds. I am quite unfamiliar myself as to what to look for. Photos would be appreciated as well. Thanks...So my question is this...How does a LEGO fan and collector identify a counterfeit LEGO minifigure or brick? One aspect is knowing which minifigs LEGO have produced recently. Take the DC Super Heroes line for example. Up to today, LEGO only released Green Lantern and Yellow Lantern / Sinestro. So when you see Red, Blue, Orange, Black Lanterns, etc etc you know for sure those were not made by LEGO. The same with red, grey, blue Hulks etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciglione Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I think this thread will become very busy the coming years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedsausage Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well I will have to dissagree too, It is not difficult at all to brand the part with the Lego word, I does not require a skilled machinist, you just need a die sink EDM or a good CNC milling machine..... I own an injection mold facilty by the way.....Looks like we've found our counterfeiter people!!On a serious note, before this goes completely sideways, I'll be the polite Canadian and suggest that we agree to disagree here. I was just sharing my professional opinion and experiences.With that said, if you have a website I can check out, shoot me a PM with it. It's not too often I meet people outside of my work place that work in the same industry as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
167pilot Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Color has been the way for me to tell, many heads and hands have a off color and a print difference than genuine pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarleyMoose Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Usually I can tell by the feel/weight of a piece if it's look didn't already give it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eschdaddy Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) Weve been buying a lot of individual bricks lately and unfortunately, we've seen some pretty good knock-offs. Yes, they use the LEGO imprint on it, but you'll notice that the letters will be part of the actual mold and not inset. Some are using hot sets to put the name on bricks. So feel them and make sure the letters stick out. Also, if the stick out, make sure you don't see a ring around the stud, like someone pressed a hot iron to melt the stud and put the letters on. Also, look for the occasional individual brick without the lettering. We've seen them all with the lettering, but one. That one can means that they missed one when changing the brick. If they all match the look, feel, color of that faulty brick, then you can bet the whole batch are from these fake starter bricks. In addition, look for warping, discoloration, any difference in size. The Minifigs have been covered really well, but as far as the individual bricks, my bricklink purchases are becoming infected with them... just like counterfeit cash. Chances are, if it doesn't feel right, it's probably not real LEGO. use your common sense and spider senses... Edited August 21, 2016 by Eschdaddy Double download Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eschdaddy Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Sorry, but I did alter the photos a bit, just to make it easier to see the small bumps on the stud. All our best, jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migration Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 First glance those don't look fake, they just look like very old bricks. With the exception of the one without "Lego" on the studs of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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