75060 - UCS: Slave I

[dubzero]

The Brickshow did a review of the Slave 1 here:

I was reading the comments and a user mentioned that there is a typo on the UCS info display sticker by misspelling tractor as "tracor" which if that is true that is unfortunate. If you pause the video at 2:16 you can see what they are talking about.

Error variant!! :D

[MikeF]

Very tempted by this set, will Lego issue new corrected stickers or is it just going to have the error in every one now

[johnwray]

I was reading the comments and a user mentioned that there is a typo on the UCS info display sticker by misspelling tractor as "tracor" which if that is true that is unfortunate. If you pause the video at 2:16 you can see what they are talking about.

Yes, but how many quad-laser cannons does it have?

Edited December 4, 2014 by johnwray

[AFOL Pedro]

I'm picking up two of these on release day!

 

One for me and my personal collection to build and display, and one that I can stash away

 

I'M SO EXCITED.

 

I am new to the forums, and I REGRET selling ALL of my lego collection 2-3 years ago....here I am now left and right on eBay, craigslist, BRICKPICKER! etc, rebuilding my collection from scratch. I NEED THAT SLAVE I !

[bricketycricket]

What do you guys think of this as far as a quick flip? If it's releasing on Jan 1, how much pre-Xmas production capacity was allocated to it? (Rhetorical, don't answer) That and with it being a popular set and January having great promos, we could have another Tumbler here.

[Guest TabbyBoy]

I'd not be surprised if the limit is just 1 per household. I'll be ordering on the day regardless with the other 34,767,992 who want one. Wouldn't one with the typo be worth more as in the case of the dreadful Delorean?

[trekgate502]

I will be in line at the Lego store the morning it releases, nearest store is 1 1/2 hours away.

[Undercover Boss]

Trekgate,

Do you need people to stand in line for you?

[trekgate502]

Trekgate,

Do you need people to stand in line for you?

Thanks! VBG hope you have been well!

[meowsmeowsmeows]

Review of the Slave I over at brickset.com:

 

http://brickset.com/article/13331/review-75060-slave-1

[Huskers1236]

Wow, that Brickshow review was tough to watch.  I don't want to bang on guys because I'm sure they do well for themselves, but there is absolutely no flow or rhyme/reason to how they do a review.

 

That said, I'm buying a ton of these.

[MikeF]

Review of the Slave I over at brickset.com:

 

http://brickset.com/article/13331/review-75060-slave-1

 

Wow at those stickers, they may be a tad troublesome to apply correctly

[Stevenplays]

Wow at those stickers, they may be a tad troublesome to apply correctly

I believe there's even a cockpit sticker...

*Nightmares of 10240 ensue*

[hendrikdejager]

Seriously Lego? Hundreds of euros for your UCS models and you can't print certain parts? These are not your regular kids sets, we are adults collecting these things!

[Cross]

As long as it's a few less stickers than the EEE, I'll count it as a blessing.

[California92563]

As long as it's a few less stickers than the EEE, I'll count it as a blessing.

I think it's safe to say lego will never be able to raise the bar after that infamous sticker sheet was made :p

[MikeF]

Not sure if this has been posted before, comparison pic of the 2 Slave 1's

 

[jaisonline]

Not sure if this has been posted before, comparison pic of the 2 Slave 1's

Even next to the UCS version, 8097 stands on it's own & still looks great. That can't be said about other non-UCS versions.

[MikeF]

It does doesn't it.  Still undecided if I should get one to build on the 1st

[Ed Mack]

The sticker issue can play a major role with this set later in the production runs and early retirement when people start to rail on the set if it is indeed an issue.  I look at my UCS Rebel Blockade Runner everyday and hate how the older version stickers are peeling off.  Will these new stickers peel off after 4-5 years as well?  I look at the UCS Slave I and admire it for its accuracy, yet I have to wonder if LEGO could have used bricks in place of some stickers and a fewer printed bricks in important locations.  These higher end sets should get higher end bricks.  Charge me an extra $10 a set to permanently print bricks.  

[inversion]

The sticker issue can play a major role with this set later in the production runs and early retirement when people start to rail on the set if it is indeed an issue.  I look at my UCS Rebel Blockade Runner everyday and hate how the older version stickers are peeling off.  Will these new stickers peel off after 4-5 years as well?  I look at the UCS Slave I and admire it for its accuracy, yet I have to wonder if LEGO could have used bricks in place of some stickers and a fewer printed bricks in important locations.  These higher end sets should get higher end bricks.  Charge me an extra $10 a set to permanently print bricks.  

LEGO should make stickers available in high-res format so we can print them on sticker paper if they don't want to give us printed bricks. Actually that's what I will do if I open one of my sets with stickers, scan them and only apply the copies.

Edited December 10, 2014 by inversion

[Migration]

The sticker issue can play a major role with this set later in the production runs and early retirement when people start to rail on the set if it is indeed an issue.  I look at my UCS Rebel Blockade Runner everyday and hate how the older version stickers are peeling off.  Will these new stickers peel off after 4-5 years as well?  I look at the UCS Slave I and admire it for its accuracy, yet I have to wonder if LEGO could have used bricks in place of some stickers and a fewer printed bricks in important locations.  These higher end sets should get higher end bricks.  Charge me an extra $10 a set to permanently print bricks.

$50 Ecto 1, nice printed tiles. $200 Slave 1 or $150 EEE crap ton of stickers. I really don't understand Legos logic here.

[inversion]

$50 Ecto 1, nice printed tiles. $200 Slave 1 or $150 EEE crap ton of stickers. I really don't understand Legos logic here.

I do. Increasing returns to scale. LEGO has finite capacity and wants to produce the most profitable parts from it.

 

Setting up design and production of a new printed brick incurs a fixed cost F, let's say it's the same for all variants and there is an unit cost 'c', assume it's still same for all types. Then your average cost (AC), if you produce the quantity 'Y': AC= c+F/Y. It's easy to see that this decreases with increasing Y. While costs vary a little in reality depending on complexity and size, but taking them to be nearly equal is probably a realistic approximation. The highest return on your invested capital (production capacity) is achieved if average cost is the lowest, if we make the assumption that the price premium LEGO can ask for printed parts is the same across sets. Even if the premium is higher in the case of exclusives, the difference may not be enough to cover the significantly higher average costs. That's why you see printed bricks in cheaper mass produced sets, because average costs are much lower.

 

LEGO is actually a business where fixed costs are very large and unit costs are relatively low.

Edited December 10, 2014 by inversion

[MikeF]

Not only that but most printed bricks will be exclusive to a specific set, meaning they can't be used for other sets.  Stickers makes sense as then the bricks can be used in multiple sets if applicable

[Migration]

I do. Increasing returns to scale. LEGO has finite capacity and wants to produce the most profitable parts from it.

 

Setting up design and production of a new printed brick incurs a fixed cost F, let's say it's the same for all variants and there is an unit cost 'c', assume it's still same for all types. Then your average cost (AC), if you produce the quantity 'Y': AC= c+F/Y. It's easy to see that this decreases with increasing Y. While costs vary a little in reality depending on complexity and size, but taking them to be nearly equal is probably a realistic approximation. The highest return on your invested capital (production capacity) is achieved if average cost is the lowest, if we make the assumption that the price premium LEGO can ask for printed parts is the same across sets. Even if the premium is higher in the case of exclusives, the difference may not be enough to cover the significantly higher average costs. That's why you see printed bricks in cheaper mass produced sets, because average costs are much lower.

 

LEGO is actually a business where fixed costs are very large and unit costs are relatively low.

That doesn't change the fact that half of the stickers shown in that picture could easily be replaced by tiles or bricks that Lego already makes or simply left off. There is an expectation of value associated with these premium sets, stickers do not fit well with that expectation.