kandykop Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Don't stop arguing. I am really enjoying them. It is literally better than watch World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickelements Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 A AFOL myself, I wouldn't care because I want the set to build. But along the same lines I often buy a used set to replace my NIB investment sets so I have something to build at a discount. I am positive there are many like who buy used sets which are much cheaper than NIB. Others may be germaphobes or or appreciate the feeling of cracking open a box and the sound of the sealed plastic bags. No idea. This site IMO is here to help us take advantage of all situations related to Lego. If someone wants to pay me more money for a first run set which is exactly the same as the fourth edition so be it, I'll gladly accept their money and go buy a used one to put together myself. I did that with 10210, had six NIB sets, sold all but one, also bought 2 complete and 1 partially complete used sets to "play/build" with. Sold one recently for $350. Seriousy...wow paid maybe $120 for it. Awesome. I love this game. Excellent build BTW for those haven't built this wonderful ship. Quite a nice display piece as well. Hello my name is Scott and I play with Lego. There I admitted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deez_Brickz Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Also if anyone claims they don't have room I would suggest you move out of your 300 Sq ft studio apartment.......the SSD isn't as huge as everyone is making it out to be. I am thinking they are just trying to make every excuse possible to cover up for the lack of funds to afford a $400 set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p8nt4lyfe Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 When building the Death Star last month I noticed that it had numbered bags...something that the early reviews for the set didn't have. Somewhere along the Death Stars 6 year production run they updated it to include numbers...Does anyone know if the SSD has numbered bags or if it was updated to include them? That would be a big factor for collectors down the road...weather or not your set has numbered bags...I know I'm stocking up on DS's just because I want to be able to sell the numbered bags version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amtrak23 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Welp...that seals it...I have now heard everything in my life...after reading the comparison of high sports cars to Legos. There is only one reason this set will under perform. And it has to do with how many people are hoarding it. I personally know several large resellers who have pallets full of this set and DS. I'm talking 100+ of each. I have sold 2 of 10179 in the last few years...nice profit, but slow mover. And there clearly weren't as many people hoarding that as there is with the new stuff. So it will be interesting to see how the market plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookster1 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Hi there all.i have put in a lot of overtime at work this month,and will have around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No More Monkeys Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Welp...that seals it...I have now heard everything in my life...after reading the comparison of high sports cars to Legos. There is only one reason this set will under perform. And it has to do with how many people are hoarding it. I personally know several large resellers who have pallets full of this set and DS. I'm talking 100+ of each. I have sold 2 of 10179 in the last few years...nice profit, but slow mover. And there clearly weren't as many people hoarding that as there is with the new stuff. So it will be interesting to see how the market plays out. If they want to maximize the profit, they will have to sell slow. If they don't want to maximize the profit, why don't they sell now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legodelorean Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 From the info that I have gathered from more experienced investors here on brickpicker, chose the GE's. You'll have 3 vs. the 1 SSD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjbdeebo2 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 GE might be the better bet in the EU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naf Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 No I am saying a tad different.... it means that out of all LEGO investors there are so many (whatever the actual number is) Star Wars (LEGO) fans and out of all Star wars LEGO fans there are again only a percantage who can afford and display it..... so thats a third lowering compared to only 2 for many other sets..... I am not saying thats the reason it will do bad... Can you point where i said that please? Stop putting words into my mouth(keyboard) I am still really anxious to see that 1000$ Crawler by x-mas 2014 by some Well, let's see here.................. So tell me why would majority of people want to pay 700$ or even 1000$ one day if they cannot build it and display it A few might, just to keep it in box, but majority will say ''I got nowhere to put it so Ill pass'' Its still an awesome set dont get me wrong..... but its sheer scale is a problem on its own especially if you live in a flat.... Simple... prioritising other investments that you personally deem better and/or can get on better price... Perhaps a limited budget? Currently perhaps I would rather buy Haunted Houses than SSD or some other modular or whatever..... Perhaps skipping due to sheer size of the box (just like Sandcrawler if I am not mistaken correct me) There is enough reasons and each has its own...... Perhaps someone follows my logic and thinks if market collapses (theoretically) and he is stuck with sets he does NOT want to be stuck with a SSD.... I know I would rather have a whole LOTR line instead....... Who knows You've given a ton of reasons to skip the SSD, without actually saying "I think the SSD is a bad investment" so definetely not putting words in your mouth and/or keyboard. The only reason why I could see someone not investing in the SSD is because of a budget. But then again, when I started buying investment sets I probably spent $400 on clearance Lego that may or may not do well, because I was budgeting. In hindsight, I should have just bought another SSD and be done with it. It's not just the set itself, it's the timing as Ed mentioned. Star Wars fever is upon us and will only increase the closer we get to December 2015. All the other reasons against the SSD that you've given don't make a whole lot of sense because sets of a similar size have done very well in the aftarmarket, namely the UCS MF, UCS Imperial Star Destroyer, and UCS Death Star II. Notice the trend, Original Triology UCS sets do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickelements Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 3 GE's or one SSD? Hmmm Triple the work. One listing each will do, but shipping is where the extra time comes in. It may be easier to find buyers in the lower entry ~330 (us dollars) versus 800? Biggest baddest Star wars set compared to a well hoarded GE Modular set. To each their own, both should provide opportunities to make mad cash. I think the path to doubling your money will be faster with GE. Sell three GE's making ~155/set or sell one SSD to make $350? Choose your own path. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Mack Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Well, let's see here.................. You've given a ton of reasons to skip the SSD, without actually saying "I think the SSD is a bad investment" so definetely not putting words in your mouth and/or keyboard. The only reason why I could see someone not investing in the SSD is because of a budget. But then again, when I started buying investment sets I probably spent $400 on clearance Lego that may or may not do well, because I was budgeting. In hindsight, I should have just bought another SSD and be done with it. It's not just the set itself, it's the timing as Ed mentioned. Star Wars fever is upon us and will only increase the closer we get to December 2015. All the other reasons against the SSD that you've given don't make a whole lot of sense because sets of a similar size have done very well in the aftarmarket, namely the UCS MF, UCS Imperial Star Destroyer, and UCS Death Star II. Notice the trend, Original Triology UCS sets do well. Never underestimate the power of new STAR WARS movies and their ability to make rich geeks feel the need to buy massive amounts of STAR WARS paraphernalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinP Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The only reason why I could see someone not investing in the SSD is because of a budget. But then again, when I started buying investment sets I probably spent $400 on clearance Lego that may or may not do well, because I was budgeting. In hindsight, I should have just bought another SSD and be done with it. It's not just the set itself, it's the timing as Ed mentioned. Star Wars fever is upon us and will only increase the closer we get to December 2015. There is a difference when you invest $400 into Lego sets on clearance, than investing $400 into one Lego set. I can see some people hesitating to buy the set, because it is $400 into one set. When you buy Lego sets on clearance, you can get them for 30% off or more. Spending $400 on Lego sets that are 30% off is different than spending it on a set and paying MSRP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZULU Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Hey guys I've been reading through a lot of comments, but nowhere did I see the answer to the question I've been asking myself: "What should be the optimal % of assets invested in the SSD?" Take into acount that If it would be 10%, that means you have a rough plan of working with a portfolio of 8000$ when holding 2 SSD's. I have a portfolio diversified over many exclusives, but haven't made my mind up on the exact % of total lego budget allocated to the SSD. As there needs to be money left for HH, GE, PS, TH, PC, Camper, TB, DS and some sets I like that are expired / close to EOL and I like a lot. So for me SSD shouldn't be more than 10%. Not to forget all the minifigure boxes, train sets, TO, ... If I don't intend to explode the total annual Lego budget, choices have to be made. People buying > 10 SSD in a couple of months, well that's mindblowing (&worrying) to me. Or you are too concentrated, or there's huge speculation going on the the same sets. (maybe that's why we're close to 100 pages?) Some 'optimized porftfolios' would interest me a lot. Take care, J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denosya Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 SSD still available on lego.fr. The never ending story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No More Monkeys Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 SSD still available on lego.fr. The never ending story... As far as I know, it is available in entire Europe. 24S4 run, if I am not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exciter1 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Hey guys I've been reading through a lot of comments, but nowhere did I see the answer to the question I've been asking myself: "What should be the optimal % of assets invested in the SSD?" Take into acount that If it would be 10%, that means you have a rough plan of working with a portfolio of 8000$ when holding 2 SSD's. I have a portfolio diversified over many exclusives, but haven't made my mind up on the exact % of total lego budget allocated to the SSD. As there needs to be money left for HH, GE, PS, TH, PC, Camper, TB, DS and some sets I like that are expired / close to EOL and I like a lot. So for me SSD shouldn't be more than 10%. Not to forget all the minifigure boxes, train sets, TO, ... If I don't intend to explode the total annual Lego budget, choices have to be made. People buying > 10 SSD in a couple of months, well that's mindblowing (&worrying) to me. Or you are too concentrated, or there's huge speculation going on the the same sets. (maybe that's why we're close to 100 pages?) Some 'optimized porftfolios' would interest me a lot. Take care, J Some say 100% and some are at 0%. What they are saying is, if you don't have one, now is your chance, before it's too late. Of course, if it isn't already too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No More Monkeys Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 As far as I know, it is available in entire Europe. 24S4 run, if I am not mistaken. To summarize... Facts: 1. 19R4-20R4 run is basically sold out in USA. 2. Europe has 24S4 run, which is still widely available Speculations: 1. Will there be something like 40R4 run in USA? 2. Will 24S4 lasts through the end of the year in Europe? 3. Would lego redirect 24S4 to USA, if there is leftover stock in Europe at the end of the year? 4. Is 10221 retiring at the end of this year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_rockefeller Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 You won't go wrong with either choice both are solid. Pick one and have no regrets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c666187 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 When building the Death Star last month I noticed that it had numbered bags...something that the early reviews for the set didn't have. Somewhere along the Death Stars 6 year production run they updated it to include numbers...Does anyone know if the SSD has numbered bags or if it was updated to include them? That would be a big factor for collectors down the road...weather or not your set has numbered bags...I know I'm stocking up on DS's just because I want to be able to sell the numbered bags version. The SSD does have numbeeed bags, I am building it now. I hope to post a build review soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neocacher Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Are you kidding? Did you really compare the SSD to the new system scale Star Destroyer? One is a model aimed at adults, adults who have lots of money to spend. The other one is a kid's toy. As many, many others have said before, people dont buy UCS sets for "features," they buy them for the impressive display value, they are built and displayed as realistic models of the ships. You seem to have the same mental block that neocacher has, it's a bad investment because you don't like it. I actually think it's easier to display the SSD than the UCS Millennium Falcon, and the Falcon has no problems selling for a high price. Naf, i resent your wisecrack about a mental block. Just because i don't think like you. I also never once said it was a bad investment. I said it was out of my price range. Who do you think you are?? !! You insult me and you insult my fellow forum member. You should be given a warning and banned if your behavior continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quacs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Let's bring it down a notch guys... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33Lego Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 My back ordered SSD from WM on 6/18 shipped today . Yes, today. I have the feeling that they might show up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostDad Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Naf, i resent your wisecrack about a mental block. Just because i don't think like you. I also never once said it was a bad investment. I said it was out of my price range. Who do you think you are?? !! You insult me and you insult my fellow forum member. You should be given a warning and banned if your behavior continues. I also wonder a bit about the possible price interaction between the new minifigure-scale SD and the UCS SSD. For example, you can now buy the SD for $130, which equates to roughly .10/pc, while the SSD is essentially selling for $650 inclusive of shipping, or about .20/pc. Frankly, I think the SD (any SD model, really) displays better, since the ship is more 3D; the SSD reminds me of a long party platter. As for whether it is (was) a good investment at $400, that's an interesting question. If not for the new SD, the recent eBay sales history would speak for itself. But I can certainly imagine the SD holding back the SSD while it's available at retail (ie the next two years, give or take a few months). As a Star Wars fan myself, I'll put it this way. All the Executor (SSD) ever did in the original trilogy is show up at the end of Episode VI and blow up. SD's, on the other hand, were everywhere in Episodes IV-VI, starting from the initial minutes of Episode IV. That ship, while ostensibly much, much smaller than the SSD (in "real life"), is also much more iconic. It also looks much more interesting on display, because it has a viewable profile even from the side (not only from the top, like the SSD). To the extent that I'm a collector, there's no question that I would buy five SD's over one SSD; then I'd have an entire fleet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neocacher Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I also wonder a bit about the possible price interaction between the new minifigure-scale SD and the UCS SSD. For example, you can now buy the SD for $130, which equates to roughly .10/pc, while the SSD is essentially selling for $650 inclusive of shipping, or about .20/pc. Frankly, I think the SD (any SD model, really) displays better, since the ship is more 3D; the SSD reminds me of a long party platter. As for whether it is (was) a good investment at $400, that's an interesting question. If not for the new SD, the recent eBay sales history would speak for itself. But I can certainly imagine the SD holding back the SSD while it's available at retail (ie the next two years, give or take a few months). As a Star Wars fan myself, I'll put it this way. All the Executor (SSD) ever did in the original trilogy is show up at the end of Episode VI and blow up. SD's, on the other hand, were everywhere in Episodes IV-VI, starting from the initial minutes of Episode IV. That ship, while ostensibly much, much smaller than the SSD (in "real life"), is also much more iconic. It also looks much more interesting on display, because it has a viewable profile even from the side (not only from the top, like the SSD). To the extent that I'm a collector, there's no question that I would buy five SD's over one SSD; then I'd have an entire fleet! 5 would look very cool! Do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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