kunfuzd Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 For me to INVEST now at $650 is not practical. It would be harder to double my money than if I bought $650 (It would have to get to $1300) worth of another set at current retail that is close to retirement such as GE or TB or VW and have it double. I really don't want the set for myself to build at that price. Yes, I missed the opportunity of a cheap SSD, but that is because I just started collecting less than a month ago. Haven't had the timing to find one at $399. Don't feel bad... I started collecting about 8 months ago... You can't dwell on what you missed the boat on. Regrets will kill you in this game. I thought that way about the Imperial Shuttle for awhile... Look into the future but use the past for historic patterns. Think like a farmer: "crop rotation". It would be nice to double your money on Lego but anything less is still better than the stock market! Flipping SSDs is just crazy... Aim towards smaller to medium sets (<$100) if you want quick turnover... Good luck! 1 Quote
No More Monkeys Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 For me to INVEST now at $650 is not practical. It would be harder to double my money than if I bought $650 (It would have to get to $1300) worth of another set at current retail that is close to retirement such as GE or TB or VW and have it double. I really don't want the set for myself to build at that price. Yes, I missed the opportunity of a cheap SSD, but that is because I just started collecting less than a month ago. Haven't had the timing to find one at $399. Keep an eye on daily deal thread, as well as this one. There is no confidence that SSD is done. There are obviously sporadic instock events - about 3-4 of them in last 7 days Quote
allen9917 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 For me to INVEST now at $650 is not practical. It would be harder to double my money than if I bought $650 (It would have to get to $1300) worth of another set at current retail that is close to retirement such as GE or TB or VW and have it double. I really don't want the set for myself to build at that price. Yes, I missed the opportunity of a cheap SSD, but that is because I just started collecting less than a month ago. Haven't had the timing to find one at $399. I'm not saying $650 is still a good investment price, I'm just responding to your op that people are wrong thinking ssd will sell for $650 in a couple of month. It's already there selling for that price. No need to 'underestimate' a set just because you missed the boat. Move on to next one. Quote
Alcarin Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I'm not saying $650 is still a good investment price, I'm just responding to your op that people are wrong thinking ssd will sell for $650 in a couple of month. It's already there selling for that price. No need to 'underestimate' a set just because you missed the boat. Move on to next one. Crawler was also selling for 400$ and something and its now (after many more months) on 365$..... So why is it impossible for SSD to follow similar fate.... are you forseeing something regular men cannot? We all speculate, if people speculate to go down or stay the same, thats just as good as your hoping speculuation it will rise 300% Quote
naf Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Crawler was also selling for 400$ and something and its now (after many more months) on 365$..... So why is it impossible for SSD to follow similar fate.... are you forseeing something regular men cannot? We all speculate, if people speculate to go down or stay the same, thats just as good as your hoping speculuation it will rise 300% Couldn't it be the case that 41999 is taking a dip because of 9398? From a build and feature perspective, it's very similar. I'm willing to bet that once 9398 retires 41999 will climb again. Unless Lego decides to release a new UCS Star Destroyer, there won't be any current retail sets that compete against the uniqueness of the SSD. Quote
Alcarin Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Couldn't it be the case that 41999 is taking a dip because of 9398? From a build and feature perspective, it's very similar. I'm willing to bet that once 9398 retires 41999 will climb again. Unless Lego decides to release a new UCS Star Destroyer, there won't be any current retail sets that compete against the uniqueness of the SSD. how not? the Star Destroyer being released currently is just as good substitution for us with less budget.....looks identical (more or less) and its easier for display and costs ''10 times'' less.... What feature does the SSD has that the normal SD does not? None.... I know I would never buy SSD simply because I have nowhere to display it.... would rather buy SD..... i save moeny for other LEGO and the SD is very similar in terms of shape, purpose and so on and on Quote
hannibal Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 For me, I think it is not that good looking of a model when it is completed. Kinda boring to me. I like the looks of the other expensive sets much better. Most people will say this is a matter of personal taste/opinion, but believe me...this is one of the most iconical ships from the movie and a great set to display! The concept artist/designer Ralph McQuarrie who worked on the original 3 movies is absolutely AMAZING! There is no words in any language that can describe how talented this guy is and how big his visionary was! The way we know Star Wars today is all thanks to him. The new Spaceships from episode 1, 2 and 3 might be newer, made with better technology,..some 30 years later, bla bla bla ....but are no-where near the vision of the great McQuarrie. So..to say the SSD looks dull is a shock to me and disrespect to this amazing creation. I personally would have wanted it bigger, more complicated etc etc...but I know this is impossible to sell and make profit as a business case. So what we have here is already great stuff! Have you watched the movies anyway? There have been 80 SSD's sold on Ebay in the last 29 days. Approximately 10 of them were under $450, some under $400 early in June. 34 have sold for over $600 with the first one over $600 being sold on June 12, and so far the top price being $675 (1 of them) including shipping. The other 26 have been in the midrange of $450 to $600 mostly before June 20th. So that makes approximately an average 2 per day sold right now in the $600 - $675 range. As the price gets higher, fewer will sell per day. From what I guess reading on this forum, there are several thousand that forum member have bought for investment. There are currently 29 SSD's on ebay for sale, with the lowest Buy it now at $645 w/ free shipping. Yesterday only one sold, at auction, for $560. It is my prediction that there will be a group of investors that panic and I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of SSD's still being sold between $500 and $600, some of the sellers just hoping to get there money back for the next several months. At $500 there is no profit obviously after fees. Regardless, it WILL be interesting to see what happens by Christmas time. Meanwhile, we need to gear up for the next retired! You said it yourself you just started a month ago and already making predictions that people here (collecting and investing for years) can't make. If you don't like the SSD and you consider there is no point investing in it, then why all this rant about it? Is it us you're trying to convince or yourself? 1 Quote
danevere Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I just got my SSD in the UK marked 24S4. I think the production line has been redirected to Europe to fill the backlog here. There's not so much demand here though and you can still order up to 5 SSDs from the Lego site. The question is will the SSDs be redirected back to the US before EOL? Hope this helps you guys and I'm not repeating what someone else has said. Quote
NJHitmen Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 how not? the Star Destroyer being released currently is just as good substitution for us with less budget.....looks identical (more or less) and its easier for display and costs ''10 times'' less.... What feature does the SSD has that the normal SD does not? None.... I know I would never buy SSD simply because I have nowhere to display it.... would rather buy SD..... i save moeny for other LEGO and the SD is very similar in terms of shape, purpose and so on and on No offense intended, and I'm glad the ISD is a suitable substitute for YOU - but for me, and I think almost everyone else (latter is speculation, of course), it isn't even in the same universe. ISD is a tiny toy compared to the monster that is the SSD. The feature that the ISD is missing compared to the SSD is a big bucket of awesome. Understood that display space is always going to be an issue with a set so huge, but that's exactly what sets it apart. I can't imagine anyone truly cross-shopping these two. AFOLs looking for the biggest & best won't ever give the new ISD a second glance (if anything, they'll go straight to 10030). Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker 4 Quote
No More Monkeys Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I just got my SSD in the UK marked 24S4. I think the production line has been redirected to Europe to fill the backlog here. There's not so much demand here though and you can still order up to 5 SSDs from the Lego site. The question is will the SSDs be redirected back to the US before EOL? Hope this helps you guys and I'm not repeating what someone else has said. i wouldn't call it redirect. USA had 19R4-20R4 run, you had your 24S4 run. Two separate independent runs. Surely there is always a chance that USA gets another run, like 40R4 or something. Europe might not, if 24S4 is sufficient to cover current demand 1 Quote
stoltzjl77 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I have no idea... http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/ship-smart/shipping-basics/ebay-labels-faq/ See section "Does paying postage and printing shipping labels on eBay save me money? " I would say probably yes. But i am too confused.... In the sense, if I don't choose "using ebay labels" when setting up the listing, but then do buy shipping and print labels when sold, am I still having discount? I don't know... I shipped 2 of these through Amazon. One with UPS Ground w/ signature required and insurance, was about $24. The other with USPS Priority Mail w/ insurance, was about $25. Maybe I got lucky - it also helps I am in the central part of the country, right off of US Interstate 80. Location location location! Quote
iahawks550 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 It would be interesting to know how many sets are produced in each run. Quote
Ed Mack Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 No offense intended, and I'm glad the ISD is a suitable substitute for YOU - but for me, and I think almost everyone else (latter is speculation, of course), it isn't even in the same universe. ISD is a tiny toy compared to the monster that is the SSD. The feature that the ISD is missing compared to the SSD is a big bucket of awesome. Understood that display space is always going to be an issue with a set so huge, but that's exactly what sets it apart. I can't imagine anyone truly cross-shopping these two. AFOLs looking for the biggest & best won't ever give the new ISD a second glance (if anything, they'll go straight to 10030). Sent from my iPhone using BrickpickerThis. You cannot compare the SSD to the new Star Destroyer. Many naysayers probably have never seen one on person, and definitely haven't built one. It is a classic set. When it goes, what will replace it? Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker 1 Quote
M4x18 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 No offense intended, and I'm glad the ISD is a suitable substitute for YOU - but for me, and I think almost everyone else (latter is speculation, of course), it isn't even in the same universe. ISD is a tiny toy compared to the monster that is the SSD. The feature that the ISD is missing compared to the SSD is a big bucket of awesome. Understood that display space is always going to be an issue with a set so huge, but that's exactly what sets it apart. I can't imagine anyone truly cross-shopping these two. AFOLs looking for the biggest & best won't ever give the new ISD a second glance (if anything, they'll go straight to 10030). Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker I also agree with this. Plus, the new ISD is a rehash of 10030, 10221 stands on that very same UCS category. UCS reissues are less likely than non-UCS sets reissues. And it's got about 2000 pieces more. The only thing that is preventing me from getting one is... Funding. Coming up with Quote
Alcarin Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 No offense intended, and I'm glad the ISD is a suitable substitute for YOU - but for me, and I think almost everyone else (latter is speculation, of course), it isn't even in the same universe. ISD is a tiny toy compared to the monster that is the SSD. The feature that the ISD is missing compared to the SSD is a big bucket of awesome. Understood that display space is always going to be an issue with a set so huge, but that's exactly what sets it apart. I can't imagine anyone truly cross-shopping these two. AFOLs looking for the biggest & best won't ever give the new ISD a second glance (if anything, they'll go straight to 10030). Sent from my iPhone using Brickpicker The point is entirely elsewhere.... If i cannot display it since I have no room, its worthless to me.... (in box art its hardly much bigger than the ISD ) Its scale is the problem on its own, and then factoring in the price.... and you alienate atleast 50% of the marketplace instantly (and I am probably generous) SSD is for me just like those groupings where people show off their MOCs and works of art.... most of them look AMAZING to say the least.... but if anything would be given to me I have nowhere to put it and display it in its glory so why take it (let alone buy it) So tell me why would majority of people want to pay 700$ or even 1000$ one day if they cannot build it and display it A few might, just to keep it in box, but majority will say ''I got nowhere to put it so Ill pass'' Its still an awesome set dont get me wrong..... but its sheer scale is a problem on its own especially if you live in a flat..... Quote
stoltzjl77 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 As much as I hate even to sound like I might be agreeing with Alcarin, and speaking as an AFOL, the display space issue is why I don't have one for my personal collection. However I think there are plenty of people who *do* want this set regardless of display space. I don't see it being a hindrance to the long term CAGR, though. Heck, if I had kept mine any longer chances are I would have caved and opened one to build - another reason I needed to get rid of them! Quote
waddamon Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Sorry to break the news to you guys buy you ate NOT the target market for this set. Simple as that. Lots of people do not have limited space. Quote
stephen_rockefeller Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 OK so if you're a straight up builder/collector I understand the logic in not getting one because of lack of space to display, but if you are an investor what's your excuse? Quote
Alcarin Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Sorry to break the news to you guys buy you ate NOT the target market for this set. Simple as that. Lots of people do not have limited space. A good investor thinks of all limitations of his/her investment, even the fact that some percentage of its market is alienated due to size..... Thats proper logic.... OK so if you a straight up builder/collector I understand the logic in not getting one because of lack of space to display, but if you are an investor what's your excuse? Simple... prioritising other investments that you personally deem better and/or can get on better price... Perhaps a limited budget? Currently perhaps I would rather buy Haunted Houses than SSD or some other modular or whatever..... Perhaps skipping due to sheer size of the box (just like Sandcrawler if I am not mistaken correct me) There is enough reasons and each has its own...... Perhaps someone follows my logic and thinks if market collapses (theoretically) and he is stuck with sets he does NOT want to be stuck with a SSD.... I know I would rather have a whole LOTR line instead....... Who knows Quote
stephen_rockefeller Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I'll just stick my gut feeling and say that people just don't want to pony up that amount of money. It's OK though just wait until you see what kind of returns this beast is gonna get. Quote
neocacher Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Most people will say this is a matter of personal taste/opinion, but believe me...this is one of the most iconical ships from the movie and a great set to display! The concept artist/designer Ralph McQuarrie who worked on the original 3 movies is absolutely AMAZING! There is no words in any language that can describe how talented this guy is and how big his visionary was! The way we know Star Wars today is all thanks to him. The new Spaceships from episode 1, 2 and 3 might be newer, made with better technology,..some 30 years later, bla bla bla ....but are no-where near the vision of the great McQuarrie. So..to say the SSD looks dull is a shock to me and disrespect to this amazing creation. I personally would have wanted it bigger, more complicated etc etc...but I know this is impossible to sell and make profit as a business case. So what we have here is already great stuff! Have you watched the movies anyway? You said it yourself you just started a month ago and already making predictions that people here (collecting and investing for years) can't make. If you don't like the SSD and you consider there is no point investing in it, then why all this rant about it? Is it us you're trying to convince or yourself? Yes, Ive seen all the movies, in fact I just rewatched all 6 of them this week. Im really not trying to make any predictions, just stated that I won't be buying one unless i can find one for $399 which is probably not likely. I would buy it for investment if I do, in which case it doesn't matter if I like the looks of it much. Quote
Ciglione Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I'll just stick my gut feeling and say that people just don't want to pony up that amount of money. It's OK though just wait until you see what kind of returns this beast is gonna get. This makes sense... That is why I suggest everyone to diversify their investments. Do not put all your eggs in one basket. I have three SSD's and that is enough. At least for me. If it goes up in value I am satisfied. If it doesn't, or less than expected I am not in too deep. Quote
iahawks550 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 Chances are, if you have $700 of disposable income for a toy, you probably have enough space to display this set.......or you build it, leave it out for awhile, and take it apart. The target market for this set (which is still a huge market) is the 30+ age group with good jobs. 2 Quote
asharerin Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 I collect UCS but do not build them. I don't even display the boxes. Space is no issue for me. Quote
naf Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 how not? the Star Destroyer being released currently is just as good substitution for us with less budget.....looks identical (more or less) and its easier for display and costs ''10 times'' less.... What feature does the SSD has that the normal SD does not? None.... I know I would never buy SSD simply because I have nowhere to display it.... would rather buy SD..... i save moeny for other LEGO and the SD is very similar in terms of shape, purpose and so on and on Are you kidding? Did you really compare the SSD to the new system scale Star Destroyer? One is a model aimed at adults, adults who have lots of money to spend. The other one is a kid's toy. As many, many others have said before, people dont buy UCS sets for "features," they buy them for the impressive display value, they are built and displayed as realistic models of the ships. You seem to have the same mental block that neocacher has, it's a bad investment because you don't like it. I actually think it's easier to display the SSD than the UCS Millennium Falcon, and the Falcon has no problems selling for a high price. 1 Quote
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