76023 - The Tumbler

[mudcatsfan]

8 minutes ago, MarxMarvelous said:

I guess TLG saw how well it was selling and decided, why retire it? It's a top seller! Spin up the machines and crank out another 10 million!

It does not appear that is at all what happened. If so we would be seeing new seal codes. We have not.

Yet.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, mudcatsfan said:

It does not appear that is at all what happened. If so we would be seeing new seal codes. We have not.

Yet.

I was only joking. Sort of....

40 minutes ago, mudcatsfan said:

It does not appear that is at all what happened. If so we would be seeing new seal codes. We have not.

Yet.

I was only joking. Sort of....

[GiliusThunderhead]

Surprisingly what this ones available for on eBay in the UK at the moment. £200 (inc shipping).  For a set that's pretty hard to get that aint a bad price.  I know everyone has their own tactics and sales plans but after fees and costs I cant believe its worth the effort.
Unless you've got some script buying program set up with free delivery after the effort of getting to the store, picking these up, listing, posting surely people are valuing their time at next to nothing.

Although if there is a re-release then that could be proven to be a good tactic but not one you're going to be able to rinse and repeat regularly,

[Val-E]

Supply and demand rules. Far too many listings versus buyers for this one to take off in price so something has to give. It´s Arkham all over again, I´m afraid.

[mogwai]

Knowing a bit about the Dark Knight DC licensing terms (for other properties beyond Lego) - this is not getting a re-run. 

Enjoy your Zack Snyder abomination-mobile.

[Ciglione]

This set retired only a month ago. So give it some slack.

Sets that jump right away to lonely heights after retirement is very rare and maybe something of the past. 

 

[Val-E]

7 minutes ago, Ciglione said:

This set retired only a month ago. So give it some slack.

Sets that jump right away to lonely heights after retirement is very rare and maybe something of the past. 

 

Too many listings = too much slack. Until that changes no upward momentum. See Lonely Mountain.

[Guest]

Well Tumbler's already a dud I guess, time to dump mine for cost.

[fantomas007]

8 hours ago, mfortunek said:

Put differently, which would you prefer: a 16 month production and then one month for everybody to stock up, or a five year production and then disappearing without advance notice?

I prefer the first one situation, because:

1) 5 year production time means that nobody (including me) knows when the set will finish - so normally I would buy some sets after 2 years, the rest after 3 years (since there is a big risk of EOL), so I am sitting 2-3 years on the sets till the real EOL will come - so it means, I spend a lot of space and money for sets, which are just sitting and not rise - and I could spend these money and space for real finishing sets with rise around 20% per year (so I am losing the price of the set + 20 % + 20 %, etc). Unless you have an insider information or you are just lucky and choose 5.year for buying the sets. Its horrible situation - its my situation with T1, TB and PS.

2) 5 year production means that people can buy this set 5 years, so much more than during 1,5 years. OK, if you know that a set is retiring soon, it means that many resellers are buying a lot of these sets, but there is still many people who didnt know about its retiring - primarly classic customers (i know many AFOLs, who miss the boat with Tumbler or Birds - they thought that they have a lot of time, becasue normal production time is 2 years, they was waiting for some discounts, spend money for other sets and wanted to buy this set later, etc).

[GiliusThunderhead]

7 minutes ago, Ciglione said:

This set retired only a month ago. So give it some slack.

Sets that jump right away to lonely heights after retirement is very rare and maybe something of the past. 

 

Yeah I completely agree but I'm just surprised that people would buy such a great set (IMO great long term hold) and then sell it at almost cost now.  
OK - i don't get the QFLL mentality and if you have 100 of these then that's some good wedge for the next buy. But at least wait until the Batman vs Supeman hype machine gets going.
I'm not at all knocking the performance of this one at all (I love this set actually as a display piece and in 2Y+ this is going to be on a lot of AFOLs want list).  In fact i think its great that some end buyers can still get these so close to RRP when it is supposedly done.  But are some people just out there to earn airmiles on this one?

 

[Val-E]

12 minutes ago, MarxMarvelous said:

Well Tumbler's already a dud I guess, time to dump mine for cost.

It´s not a dud but it´s no Logging Truck either! It worries me that there are so many listings for a set that people have only been hoarding for 18 months, at the most.

I´d understand the impatience if it were PS, DS or T1 but not in this case.

Edited January 28, 2016 by Val-E

[Ciglione]

14 minutes ago, Lego_Yoda said:

Yeah I completely agree but I'm just surprised that people would buy such a great set (IMO great long term hold) and then sell it at almost cost now.  
OK - i don't get the QFLL mentality and if you have 100 of these then that's some good wedge for the next buy. But at least wait until the Batman vs Supeman hype machine gets going.
I'm not at all knocking the performance of this one at all (I love this set actually as a display piece and in 2Y+ this is going to be on a lot of AFOLs want list).  In fact i think its great that some end buyers can still get these so close to RRP when it is supposedly done.  But are some people just out there to earn airmiles on this one?

 

Sometimes people seem to get carried away thus they bought too many and now the bills come to pay and they need to sell. 

13 minutes ago, Val-E said:

It´s not a dud but it´s no Logging Truck either! It worries me that there are so many listings for a set that people have only been hoarding for 18 months, at the most.

I´d understand the impatience if it were PS, DS or T1 but not in this case.

I also do not understand the lack of patience. 

You cannot compare the Tumbler with the lodging truck. Tumbler is a highly visible set. Lodging Truck was a hidden gem.

[Val-E]

It actually reminds me more of R2 in Europe -  slow start with lots of listings but after 8 months it started to pick up. When the QFLL auctioneers are out of stuck we can reevaluate.

[jaxman]

Heck compared to the Tower of Stagnation this set is a superstar.

[GiliusThunderhead]

Here's a question though.  What actually happens to all the tumblers from the parted out minifigs?  Do people just break these down and stick them in a bricklink store?

I honestly don't understand how there can be so many minifig listings but so few Tumbler without fig listings.  And not just this set, literally all of them!  Is there some minifig only surplus program run I dont know about?

[chipbee]

8 hours ago, Deanfjr said:

Lets see if we can go 48 hours without a Tumbler post, starting........1...2...3... Right Now Go!

A better challenge is 48 hrs without a single whiny post about box condition.

11 minutes ago, Lego_Yoda said:

Here's a question though.  What actually happens to all the tumblers from the parted out minifigs?  Do people just break these down and stick them in a bricklink store?

I honestly don't understand how there can be so many minifig listings but so few Tumbler without fig listings.  And not just this set, literally all of them!  Is there some minifig only surplus program run I dont know about?

Good question. I have been wondering about it too. Fake minifigs?

[dcdfan]

Here's a question though.  What actually happens to all the tumblers from the parted out minifigs?  Do people just break these down and stick them in a bricklink store?

I honestly don't understand how there can be so many minifig listings but so few Tumbler without fig listings.  And not just this set, literally all of them!  Is there some minifig only surplus program run I dont know about?

IIRC, I read somewhere awhile ago about some guy outta Mexico that had tons of imperfects. True or not, I have no idea. But I would be very cautious if I were to buy one...

[Quagmire]

Here's a question though.  What actually happens to all the tumblers from the parted out minifigs?  Do people just break these down and stick them in a bricklink store?

I honestly don't understand how there can be so many minifig listings but so few Tumbler without fig listings.  And not just this set, literally all of them!  Is there some minifig only surplus program run I dont know about?

I wondered that too, have got to be knock offs when you see one dude in eBay selling 50+ joker mininfigs

[Lordoflego]

9 hours ago, Phil B said:

That is not a new bug - has been doing this for me for months and months on the LEGO Shop at Home US site. There's something going wrong with cookies and their crappy website. Anyways, just open up an Incognito/Private Browsing window and go to shop.lego.com there - you should have no issues.

Ufffff, so it's not me and my tablet  

[mudcatsfan]

1 hour ago, Lego_Yoda said:

Here's a question though.  What actually happens to all the tumblers from the parted out minifigs?  Do people just break these down and stick them in a bricklink store?

I honestly don't understand how there can be so many minifig listings but so few Tumbler without fig listings.  And not just this set, literally all of them!  Is there some minifig only surplus program run I dont know about?

Some scumbag removed the figures, resealed the set, returned it, and you bought it from Target this week. You're welcome

Either that or they come from China. Fakes!

[Jules_K]

Having bought and sold many of the tumbler figures, they are most definitely not fakes. Nor is it likely that there's one or two people buying up hundreds of every set with rare minifigs, taking the figs and then returning the rest of the set.

My theory is there are excess figures produced in Mexico by Lego (either legitimately or illegitimately) which find their way to a handful of reputable sellers in the US.

[chipbee]

47 minutes ago, Jules_K said:

Having bought and sold many of the tumbler figures, they are most definitely not fakes. Nor is it likely that there's one or two people buying up hundreds of every set with rare minifigs, taking the figs and then returning the rest of the set.

My theory is there are excess figures produced in Mexico by Lego (either legitimately or illegitimately) which find their way to a handful of reputable sellers in the US.

Without the entire box set, how do you verify if the minifigs are original or fake? There is some special rfid chip embedded into the minifigs?

And since you are buying and selling these, i suppose you have a conflict of interest in making your claim.

[Jules_K]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're calling out the biggest eBay dealer of genuine Lego mini figures as selling fakes because you can't figure out how they have so many to sell?

[alfredheunghk]

1 hour ago, mudcatsfan said:

Some scumbag removed the figures, resealed the set, returned it, and you bought it from Target this week. You're welcome

Either that or they come from China. Fakes!

target and walmart will resell those returned boxes?? i don't think so. there are tons of lego being erased everyday.

btw, i have seen the lego tracker detected tumbler is reopened about 9 hours ago outside US. Is this a system error?

[chipbee]

30 minutes ago, Jules_K said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're calling out the biggest eBay dealer of genuine Lego mini figures as selling fakes because you can't figure out how they have so many to sell?

You should not divert the topic by throwing straw man argument here. I am merely asking how do you verify authenticity?

And i am also saying that you have conflict of interest in making unsubstantiated claims of authenticity. You need to back up your claims with facts and proof.

Lego does not sell these minifigs separately. Where is the source of goods? Someone who claim to be working for lego and have illegally sold off excess minifigs? So is this sale of stolen goods? Are the resellers knowingly or unknowingly participating in sale of stolen goods?

If these are legitimate sales by lego, then lego is lying to global customers that 76023 has exclusive minifigs. You sure you want to make such a claim?