76023 - The Tumbler

[Salimr]

33 minutes ago, Yinchuan said:

 

I know this is probably beating is dead horse (impending gifs coming) but the goal is that you will be selling these to to consumers who intend to BUILD the sets, not stare at the boxes. As long as you can prove (photos help) that all contents are included, and fully disclose the condition of the box, you should not have to worry too much about the set selling, and at practically, if not, the same price as mint.

Are there going to be exceptions? Sure. Some people are just condition-crazy. But a vast majority are looking to buy to build, so you should be fine.

I buy damaged boxes to build. I actually look for them. I usually try to get them around 5% less than the mint boxes. I save some money and I really only keep a few boxes as space is an issue.

[ChrisJ67]

I received my Tumbler from target yesterday and the seals had been popped loose.  I have contacted them to see about a replacement, however since I do not see them listed on their eBay store anymore I highly doubt I can get it replaced.

From what I am reading, as long as all of the pieces are accounted for I will still be able to offer this as new in box for resale some day?

 

 

 

[jaxman]

Maybe we should start a "What condition did your Tumbler from Target arrive in?" thread.  Yeesh.

[woodyhtc]

On January 12, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Pseudoty said:

Agreed 100% just be prepared to sell for 20% less. 

Received my Tumbler from Target today and the box is badly damaged  

One of the seals is coming off but not broken entirely. Should I keep it and sell 10-20% less in the future or take it back to target? Thoughts?

[jaxman]

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 9:53 PM, woodyhtc said:

Received my Tumbler from Target today and the box is badly damaged  

One of the seals is coming off but not broken entirely. Should I keep it and sell 10-20% less in the future or take it back to target? Thoughts?

Though I'm not an advocate of returns, what you have is basically a math problem.  Is your expected return for a Tumbler with a damaged box greater than any similarly priced set that you could purchase right now.  If the answer is yes, keep the Tumbler.  If the answer is no, return it and get the other set.

[Yinchuan]

22 minutes ago, jaxman said:

Though I'm not an advocate of returns, what you have is basically a math problem.  Is your expected return for a Tumbler with a damaged box greater than any similarly priced set that you could purchase right now.  If the answer is yes, keep the Tumbler.  If the answer is no, return it and get the other set.

Contact Target and see if they will give you 10% back for damage. Just closed your selling gap a bit.

[Armor]

You might have better luck going inside a store for that so you can show it, normally target does not offer 10% off over the phone. I do ask when there is a damaged box and you normally get 10% off.

 

[Rimmit]

Sigh, Out of the 19 from target only 1 was a 9/10.  My wife even said they packed awful.  Some have holes, crushed, opened.  These must have been returns

  Will likely open one for a build.  Anyone want to trade a tumbler for a Red five or a ucs R2-d2?  I'd try and trade one of the better boxes.  Msg me if interested.

[Yinchuan]

21 minutes ago, Rimmit said:

Sigh, Out of the 19 from target only 1 was a 9/10.  My wife even said they packed awful.  Some have holes, crushed, opened.  These must have been returns

  Will likely open one for a build.  Anyone want to trade a tumbler for a Red five or a ucs R2-d2?  I'd try and trade one of the better boxes.  Msg me if interested.

You bought 19 tumblers from Target?  That's a one...with a nine on the end of it? Man, if I dropped 18 bills on damaged products I would sigh also!

[plastic passion]

4 hours ago, lazuli16 said:

I don't know how to ask this without sounding confrontational, so please don't take it that way. Can you let us know what led you to drop $600 dollars on something you've never "played" with?  I'm trying to understand the mindframe some people are entering the investment game with. 

In either case, welcome and make sure to read as much as possible. There is a ton of useful information here that will help you on your journey. 

MODS feel free to move this to the bubble thread or any other appropriate thread. 

no worries at all...  - i didn't even slightly consider your statement confrontational.....  lol...     I have more tumblers coming lol !!! , lets hope they are in better condition!  As for  my mindframe, its probably out there compared to most folks.... -and thats ok...  : )     - i just need to figure out how to buy in bulk if there is such a thing....   I realize at $220 each          ( with tax) - i won't be getting rich anytime soon...   -but from the sounds of it, folks are willing to buy this stuff to build, so at this point, i am holding.       I know, as for never building or owning a lego....  - its got to be strange for most of you to hear that....     did i miss them?  i am 52, - with that being said, i think i remember them at friends homes, but for the most part it was me stepping on the darn things because they were always all over the floor.   We grew up relatively poor, ( no complaints, our parents loved us and we were happy, so that's all that mattered)   - but since I consider legos an expensive toy, my guess it we probably could not afford them and or we may have just missed them. - its all good on this end! 

[newbie77]

4 hours ago, Yinchuan said:

 

I know this is probably beating is dead horse (impending gifs coming) but the goal is that you will be selling these to to consumers who intend to BUILD the sets, not stare at the boxes. As long as you can prove (photos help) that all contents are included, and fully disclose the condition of the box, you should not have to worry too much about the set selling, and at practically, if not, the same price as mint.

Are there going to be exceptions? Sure. Some people are just condition-crazy. But a vast majority are looking to buy to build, so you should be fine.

this is very incorrect. not sure how many exclusives you have sold or how many sets that are over $500+ you have sold to make that statement. if you have been selling lego for a while and exclusives then "those statement wouldn't have been made"

no one shelling out $1k going to be expecting dented; crashed box. no matter what your pictures in the listing depicts. if you list item under "NEW" or say "NEW" then its should be at the worst case "with minimal shelf-ware" depending on age. if there are dents and crushes on the box then listing and selling that item under NEW is looking for trouble.

you would be rather safe listing all the bags and selling without box for 10% less. than damaged boxed as under "NEW" listing with 20 pictures of boxes showing crushes and dents.

depending on set you may be able to get more than what you paid for but its not the same as the price one can get for undamaged box.

need proof: look @ why AWD exists? why would amazon sell for 10%-20% less for damaged box or opened box? if people would be ok then wouldn't they be selling it for MSRP or the retail price or the same as the NEW listing?

 

3 hours ago, woodyhtc said:

Received my Tumbler from Target today and the box is badly damaged  

One of the seals is coming off but not broken entirely. Should I keep it and sell 10-20% less in the future or take it back to target? Thoughts?

when i started, if i ever got those boxes i would

1. weigh the box and make sure that the weight is correct

2. if its the only one i would keep it but if i have enough of my desired quantity would return this box and not deal with it at all.

never ever expect the damaged box to fetch the same value as the "shelf-ware box" which is about [5-7]/10.

Edited January 15, 2016 by newbie77

[Yinchuan]

1 hour ago, Yinchuan said:

You bought 19 tumblers from Target?  That's a one...with a nine on the end of it? Man, if I dropped 18 bills on damaged products I would sigh also!

Whoops, make that 38 bills...forgot to carry the one

[gregpj]

6 hours ago, woodyhtc said:

Received my Tumbler from Target today and the box is badly damaged  

One of the seals is coming off but not broken entirely. Should I keep it and sell 10-20% less in the future or take it back to target? Thoughts?

No you should not return it. No you should not ask for a discount.

You should however read the forums where this has probably been discussed 473 times that box condition, unless truly terrible, will not have a significant impact on the ability to sell a set down the road IF the set is one that is expected to be sought after.

YES to all those who call and ask for 10% back on something with so little damage, I'm going to say it.. give your heads a shake. This kind of "damage" to a box will have a very minor effect on the price of the set if you're a true investor. If you're into quick flipping for a few bucks, you'll likely take a bigger hit.

3 hours ago, newbie77 said:

no one shelling out $1k going to be expecting dented; crashed box. no matter what your pictures in the listing depicts. if you list item under "NEW" or say "NEW" then its should be at the worst case "with minimal shelf-ware" depending on age. if there are dents and crushes on the box then listing and selling that item under NEW is looking for trouble.

This is such extremely bad advice... Even if a box is dented, creased, whatever, the item is NEW as long as all the parts inside are NEW. I have a real problem with those who list as NEW once parts bags have been opened to remove minifigures and it's unfortunate that eBay doesn't have the proper categories to capture these scenarios (New-Incomplete vs New-Sealed vs New-Opened), but that's like saying the brand new car I bought isn't new because it has 30 miles on the odometer from test drives... Oh my, someone put their dirty feet on the floor or butt in the seat, the car isn't new anymore.

[newbie77]

12 minutes ago, gregpj said:

No you should not return it. No you should not ask for a discount.

You should however read the forums where this has probably been discussed 473 times that box condition, unless truly terrible, will not have a significant impact on the ability to see a set down the road IF the set is one that is expected to be sought after.

YES to all those who call and ask for 10% back on something with so little damage, I'm going to say it.. give your heads a shake. This kind of "damage" to a box will have a very minor effect on the price of the set if you're a true investor. If you're into quick flipping for a few bucks, you'll likely take a bigger hit.

This is such extremely bad advice... Even if a box is dented, creased, whatever, the item is NEW as long as all the parts inside are NEW. I have a real problem with those who list as NEW once parts bags have been opened to remove minifigures and it's unfortunate that eBay doesn't have the proper categories to capture these scenarios (New-Incomplete vs New-Sealed vs New-Opened), but that's like saying the brand new car I bought isn't new because it has 30 miles on the odometer from test drives... Oh my, someone put their dirty feet on the floor or butt in the seat, the car isn't new anymore.

so you are saying when you drive the car out the lot and you can sell it as NEW ? Good Luck with you belief. 

as i mentioned before in your world AWD wouldn't exist and i won't be getting $150 Ewok Village because box is damaged.

[gregpj]

6 minutes ago, newbie77 said:

so you are saying when you drive the car out the lot and you can sell it as NEW ? Good Luck with you belief. 

as i mentioned before in your world AWD wouldn't exist and i won't be getting $150 Ewok Village because box is damaged.

I didn't say the car was driven off the lot by the person who purchased it, I said the car was no longer in MINT condition because it was a little dirty. If you haven't touched or altered the contents inside that box, it's still NEW. The car may have had a test drive, a dirty foot print or two, but it's still NEW. The box may no longer be MINT but it's still NEW.

What you're advocating is that once we resellers buy an item, even if the box isn't opened, it can't be sold as NEW because we bought it once. That would be like saying if you buy a specific car from dealer X that they found on the lot for dealer Y then dealer X can't sell it as NEW because it was never in their inventory in the first place.

Box snobs won't buy a set with a box that has some minor damage... but I guarantee you that if the tumbler ever gets to the point where the cheapest minty-box set listed on eBay is $1,000 and you've got a box with the kind of damage pictured above listed at $975 someone will buy it. I would if I was looking and many other here would too.

[pete411]

I agree with what Greg is saying. Yes there will always be box snobs. Those annoying poor saps who'll moan if there is a slight crease on a box that was described as mint. To deter these folks from buying from me, I never describe my sets as mint. Do you ever wonder why exclusives that pop up on AWD always get snatched up within minutes of hitting their site? Most end users don't give a damn. Knocking off 15% off of a large exclusive is too good of a deal to pass up. Most end users will gladly buy dented up boxes as long as the contents are new and unopened for 20 bucks less. The more expensive the set, the less it really matters. Trust me.

[stephen_rockefeller]

Box + condition + this thread = done

[legomark3]

Got mine from target last night and box was mint

[Frank Brickowski]

14 hours ago, lazuli16 said:

I don't know how to ask this without sounding confrontational, so please don't take it that way. Can you let us know what led you to drop $600 dollars on something you've never "played" with?  I'm trying to understand the mindframe some people are entering the investment game with. 

In either case, welcome and make sure to read as much as possible. There is a ton of useful information here that will help you on your journey. 

MODS feel free to move this to the bubble thread or any other appropriate thread. 

How many of the people investing in rare earth metal have ever had contact with it? Do you really need to knwo something by experience to know it is a good investment? Doubt it.

[TheGallows]

This set might not have had the biggest production run, but it certainly will have a lot of re sellers. It seems to be the set that everyone is dipping their toe in to the investing game after the recent media articles. I think a lot more have gone into new investors hands rather than end users... more so that most sets, (pure educated speculation of course) and the fact that everyone's like 'I've bought a tumbler, it will make a good investment, right?'

Probably means there will be market saturation for some time. Most re sellers would only be selling one at a time, making the actual amount they had less important.The bigger problem is the number of actual re sellers this set will have.

Having said that, I think this set will do well, its just gonna take along time and in the end patience.

[Yinchuan]

26 minutes ago, rfish said:

How many of the people investing in rare earth metal have ever had contact with it? Do you really need to knwo something by experience to know it is a good investment? Doubt it.

Assuming of course you mean gold, the main difference here is that with Lego, there are hundreds of potential "rare earth metals" to consider, and probably 90-95% (roughly, I have not taken the time to bust out my protractor) will not ever explode in value like all of the prospectors are hoping for. Therefore, picking wisely, experiencing builds, measuring popularity, and putting yourself in the mind of the common consumer are vital towards solid investing decisons. Not all Lego is gold!

[tractorboy]

10 minutes ago, Yinchuan said:

Assuming of course you mean gold, the main difference here is that with Lego, there are hundreds of potential "rare earth metals" to consider, and probably 90-95% (roughly, I have not taken the time to bust out my protractor) will not ever explode in value like all of the prospectors are hoping for. Therefore, picking wisely, experiencing builds, measuring popularity, and putting yourself in the mind of the common consumer are vital towards solid investing decisons. Not all Lego is gold!

Totally agree. It's crazy to be investing in Lego when you know nothing about the product, its consumers or the market for it.

[Darth_Raichu]

FYI, I moved the box discussion here:

 

 

[Quagmire]

Box talk serious bidness

Edited January 15, 2016 by Quagmire

[BrickU]

It's silly to think because of a few articles the last month, that all of a sudden everyone and there brother bought all the Tumblers everyone had in stock.........  Did the Tumblers go to many a resellers, perhaps; but not nessecairly newbies.......

Edited January 15, 2016 by BrickU