STAR WARS VII - "The Force Awakens" - Movie Discussion

[exciter1]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/24/entertainment/mark-hamill-star-wars-children-hospital-feat/index.html

 

[Fcbarcelona101]

I am so glad I'm extremely easy to please. Loved the whole movie.

Is it brilliant, original, etc, from a critical standpoint? I have no idea, and I'm happy not to lol.

[thekragle]

Which movie is this:

1) Droid on a secret mission on a desert planet..

2) Droid finds 'random' person.

3) 'Random person' transports droid to final destination while befriending an old wise man.

4) The old wise man dies.

5) Our 'Random person' helps destroy the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.

[Battrax]

6 minutes ago, thekragle said:

Which movie is this:

1) Droid on a secret mission on a desert planet..

2) Droid finds 'random' person.

3) 'Random person' transports droid to final destination while befriending an old wise man.

4) The old wise man dies.

5) Our 'Random person' helps destroy the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.

Hardware?

[redghostx]

6 minutes ago, thekragle said:

Which movie is this:

1) Droid on a secret mission on a desert planet..

2) Droid finds 'random' person.

3) 'Random person' transports droid to final destination while befriending an old wise man.

4) The old wise man dies.

5) Our 'Random person' helps destroy the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.

The Brave Little Toaster?

[thekragle]

8 minutes ago, Battrax said:

Hardware?

 

6 minutes ago, redghostx said:

The Brave Little Toaster?

haha if these are actual movies I have not seen them.

[redghostx]

4 minutes ago, thekragle said:

 

haha if these are actual movies I have not seen them.

http://bfy.tw/3R1c

[labfreak7]

[Migration]

3 hours ago, redghostx said:

I have to say that I shouldn't have to watch a movie a second time to enjoy it more, I should want to. In this case, I paid to watch the movie and don't want to have to pay a second time because I might like it more. It isn't a 'classic' and doesn't make me want to rush out and watch it again But it does make me want to watch episode VIII and I did enjoy it.

The standard for a great movie shouldn't be that it will grow on you, it should just be great.

It's a Wonderful Life was a total flop when it came out, no one cared about it until over a decade later when it was played in heavy rotation on TV during Christmas (because someone forgot to renew the rights and the networks could air it without paying any royalties). Now it's considered a classic and one of the best films in history.

[Darth_Raichu]

18 minutes ago, Migration said:

It's a Wonderful Life was a total flop when it came out, no one cared about it until over a decade later when it was played in heavy rotation on TV during Christmas (because someone forgot to renew the rights and the networks could air it without paying any royalties). Now it's considered a classic and one of the best films in history.

The secret behind BTTF trilogy popularity: they were on heavy rotation on cable channels like TNT, TBS, USA, etc 

[KShine]

I know a movie is great when the internet tells me it's great.

Sometimes it will decide later on that I was wrong, and then I will know that it sucked.

[Ed Mack]

I saw "The Martian" yesterday.  That was pretty good as well.

[Average Guy]

2 hours ago, thekragle said:

Which movie is this:

1) Droid on a secret mission on a desert planet..

2) Droid finds 'random' person.

3) 'Random person' transports droid to final destination while befriending an old wise man.

4) The old wise man dies.

5) Our 'Random person' helps destroy the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.

 Don't forget, a hero (Ren/Luke) on a desert planet.

 

I agree. I thought this movie was a rehash of previous movies. The only interesting drama in the film for me was Kylo Ren killing his own father. Although I did not like the actor or the character Kylo Ren. How is it that he got beat in a lightsaber fight by 2 ppl that have never wielded a lightsaber? Why is he wearing a helmet if he clearly doesn't need it to breath, see, hear or protect an injury?

Is it a coincidence that BB-8 looks like a soccer ball? A sport that older people in the US appreciate much less than younger ppl? No, I think it is product marketing for kids to buy the toys. (yes I know adults buy the toys also). I feel like this movie was designed for a much younger audience. An audience eager to give copious 'Disney-high-fives', utter a catchphrase or hasgtag instead of expressing a complete thought, or maybe possibly just for fanboys. For them, I think this movie is a success.  For me, I won't be giving up anymore money to see another Deathstar be blown up by a Rebel from a desert planet with secret base plans from a droid. Been there, seen that...

[Battrax]

7 minutes ago, Average Guy said:

 Don't forget, a hero (Ren/Luke) on a desert planet.

 

I agree. I thought this movie was a rehash of previous movies. The only interesting drama in the film for me was Kylo Ren killing his own father. Although I did not like the actor or the character Kylo Ren. How is it that he got beat in a lightsaber fight by 2 ppl that have never wielded a lightsaber? Why is he wearing a helmet if he clearly doesn't need it to breath, see, hear or protect an injury?

Is it a coincidence that BB-8 looks like a soccer ball? A sport that older people in the US appreciate much less than younger ppl? No, I think it is product marketing for kids to buy the toys. (yes I know adults buy the toys also). I feel like this movie was designed for a much younger audience. An audience eager to give copious 'Disney-high-fives', utter a catchphrase or hasgtag instead of expressing a complete thought, or maybe possibly just for fanboys. For them, I think this movie is a success.  For me, I won't be giving up anymore money to see another Deathstar be blown up by a Rebel from a desert planet with secret base plans from a droid. Been there, seen that...

 

[Average Guy]

6 minutes ago, Battrax said:

 

^that is some sort of weird reverse parody of , Of Mice and Men. Don't hurt that lil boy Lennie

[redghostx]

Which movie is this:

1) Droid on a secret mission on a desert planet..

2) Droid finds 'random' person.

3) 'Random person' transports droid to final destination while befriending an old wise man.

4) The old wise man dies.

5) Our 'Random person' helps destroy the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.

 Don't forget, a hero (Ren/Luke) on a desert planet.

 

I agree. I thought this movie was a rehash of previous movies. The only interesting drama in the film for me was Kylo Ren killing his own father. Although I did not like the actor or the character Kylo Ren. How is it that he got beat in a lightsaber fight by 2 ppl that have never wielded a lightsaber? Why is he wearing a helmet if he clearly doesn't need it to breath, see, hear or protect an injury?

Is it a coincidence that BB-8 looks like a soccer ball? A sport that older people in the US appreciate much less than younger ppl? No, I think it is product marketing for kids to buy the toys. (yes I know adults buy the toys also). I feel like this movie was designed for a much younger audience. An audience eager to give copious 'Disney-high-fives', utter a catchphrase or hasgtag instead of expressing a complete thought, or maybe possibly just for fanboys. For them, I think this movie is a success.  For me, I won't be giving up anymore money to see another Deathstar be blown up by a Rebel from a desert planet with secret base plans from a droid. Been there, seen that...

The how did kylo ren question was answered by an avid fan because I asked the same question.

1- Kylo was toying with Finn until he got hit and then was going in for the kill. (Probable)

2- Rey has a stronger force as evident from the mind control part. (Less likely, she has NO lightsaber experience but he should have killed her when he had the chance, ignore the apprentice part, he's too childish to think about getting an apprentice yet)

My explanation

3 - He's still a child and anger never results in a victory in a swordfight. See Mask of Zorro as an example.

[Average Guy]

11 minutes ago, redghostx said:

The how did kylo ren question was answered by an avid fan because I asked the same question.

1- Kylo was toying with Finn until he got hit and then was going in for the kill. (Probable)

2- Rey has a stronger force as evident from the mind control part. (Less likely, she has NO lightsaber experience but he should have killed her when he had the chance, ignore the apprentice part, he's too childish to think about getting an apprentice yet)

My explanation

3 - He's still a child and anger never results in a victory in a swordfight. See Mask of Zorro as an example.

your explanation fits in with my observation that this movie is for a younger audience. A young audience identifies easier with younger characters (Kylo Ren), a BB-8 soccer ball.

[Battrax]

13 minutes ago, Average Guy said:

your explanation fits in with my observation that this movie is for a younger audience. A young audience identifies easier with younger characters (Kylo Ren), a BB-8 soccer ball.

A fantasy series that has such a simplistic view of "baddies versus the goodies", self-propelled quirky rubbish-bin robot (R2D2) and a brassy-gold stilted smartypants robot, an aversion to ever showing consequences of violence (borderline Batman -styled"BLAM!, WHAMMO, KERPLUNK!" instead of blood and gore) and Ewoks etc. etc. etc. in it would be, by default, more for younger audiences. And that is fine, that is what the series is, in the end. Great big dumb entertaining fantasy fairy tale B-movies with a cursory nod to science fiction.

It'd be ludicrous to pretend that any of the series are serious adult films; Want something serious and artistically important with Max von Sydow watch any of the plethora of films he did with Ingmar Bergman in his younger days, not The Force Awakens ;-)

Edited December 24, 2015 by Battrax

[Migration]

 

Kylo had also just been shot, so he may not have been in tip top fighting shape.

[labfreak7]

 Don't forget, a hero (Ren/Luke) on a desert planet.

 

I agree. I thought this movie was a rehash of previous movies. The only interesting drama in the film for me was Kylo Ren killing his own father. Although I did not like the actor or the character Kylo Ren. How is it that he got beat in a lightsaber fight by 2 ppl that have never wielded a lightsaber? Why is he wearing a helmet if he clearly doesn't need it to breath, see, hear or protect an injury?

Is it a coincidence that BB-8 looks like a soccer ball? A sport that older people in the US appreciate much less than younger ppl? No, I think it is product marketing for kids to buy the toys. (yes I know adults buy the toys also). I feel like this movie was designed for a much younger audience. An audience eager to give copious 'Disney-high-fives', utter a catchphrase or hasgtag instead of expressing a complete thought, or maybe possibly just for fanboys. For them, I think this movie is a success.  For me, I won't be giving up anymore money to see another Deathstar be blown up by a Rebel from a desert planet with secret base plans from a droid. Been there, seen that...

 

I think people are reading too much into all of this. Nothing will replace the original trilogy, that is clear. Enjoy the new set of movies and take it with a grain of salt. The force is strong with her- the force makes people do extraordinary things. Besides the little sister always kicks the big bothers butt. I do hate how they killed off Han so easily...

[Vinetu]

14 hours ago, vexxet said:

I am so glad so many people enjoyed this movie, after all, that's what movies are suppose to do... entertain people.  

 

I saw this movie on opening night and have been avoiding posting on this movie everywhere until BA posted something about people actually talking about Star Wars TFA in another thread.  
 

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This movie was a remake without actually being called a remake.  A terrible joke was played onto the Star Wars fandom and it looks like JJ almost got away with borderline Plagiarism.  I wont type too much of my distain for this movie with fear of spoiling people, but are you guys serious?  The whole first scene was a complete rework of the first scene from Star Wars ANH.  Resistance fighter gets information and puts in in a droid before the Empire captures him/her and sends said droid off with important information... WTF?  Its all downhill from there as the second scene is another complete rip off where hero finds said droid and lives life with droid for a bit until found by the antagonists and having to egress off the planet in the Millenium Falcon.   Overall, there were 18 plot point ripoffs in total from the previous films throughout the whole movie.  Trying to be vague as possible, because you know... spoilers.

19 years passed from Episode 3 to episode 4 and the empire built the Death Star with unwatching/unaware eyes.  30 Years pass between episode 6 and 7 and the First Order with MUCH less manpower and probably the WHOLE Republic and resistance watching them MAKES A Base = Death Star but 20x bigger and the construction was probably slower?  That is terribly unbelievable.  The rebel alliance with much LESS cause to oppose the Empire, than the Republic and resistance, have spies that find the plans to the death star and are able to plan against it, However, The Republic and resistance(who have MUCH CAUSE TO DISTRUST TFO) in 30 years never learns of SKB and even Finn who is a FO Stormtrooper never mentions its existence.  WTF is even going on in this story? 

Don't even get me started in the Republic after having the empires starfleet shattered to the cosmos after Episode 6 leaves the remnants of the empire alive... Yeah.. I guess we should have let Nazi Germany exist after World War 2... that would have been a great idea.

 

Things I am willing to omit with the passage of time to learn the truth :

Rey using the force with as much proficiency as she did.  The only thing that screams to me about why she was so good was because her mind was wiped and she was a padawan of Luke's somehow.  If this proves false in the following films then the first movie is a joke.

Kylo Ren being relatively a whining crybaby brat who throws temper tantrums :  Anakin was pretty much a emo sniveling punk in the prequels so if alloted the passage of time he could become as terrifying as Darth Vadar.  We are seeing Kylo Ren at his embryo stage and that is ok.

 

I don't like the prequels, they were off the mark for me.  Jar Jar was a horrible idea, but at least they were original.  This mess is a travesty to the Star Wars fandom and it is easily the worst movie of the 7.

This. As if I have written the lines, and believe it or not, that feeling doesn't come often.

[Average Guy]

18 minutes ago, labfreak7 said:

Besides the little sister always kicks the big bothers butt

Did the movie make reference to Rey being Kylo Ren's brother? if so I missed it.

[Battrax]

 

[Average Guy]

6 minutes ago, Battrax said:

 

the GIFs are strong with this 1

[biking_tiger]

"Star Wars as Cultural Liturgy" ...works for me.