STAR WARS VII - "The Force Awakens" - Movie Discussion

[pickleboy]

On 12/21/2015 at 1:58 PM, gregpj said:

I thought you were against remakes?

Only the Toy Shop....

[asharerin]

I really hope Rogue One recaptures the magic of the OT. TFA reminds me of the Fast and Furious franchise. Non stop action, lots of humour, great chemistry among the cast members, rehashed storyline that makes no sense whatsoever but at the end of the day it is thoroughly enjoyable and you know full well you will be calling in sick on opening day of the next installment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aelsak7Llvg

[redghostx]

Ok, I watched this movie tonight and...

I've seen it before, it's simply a remix of Star Wars and the empire strikes back. There was nothing wrong with it, but it is simply very good, but not great, and NOT memorable or terribly surprising. It simply exists.

I much preferred what Mr. Abrams did with the Star Trek reboot.

Now I can go back and read through 80 pages of comments as I had seen and heard virtually nothing until I saw the movie (only one ten second trailer)

[redghostx]

Quote: They steal children from their families and train them as soldiers. 

So you're saying that they are the Borg?

[NZ-EUG]

As much as I marked out to be in at the movies watching a Star Wars film after so many years.

I was kinda left with a slighty underwhelming feeling, upon leaving the cinema.

Stars Wars a new hope version 2.0 was not what I wanted, there's a fine line between a paying homage to the Orignal Triliogy at the risk of becoming a self parody.

The Falcon, crash taking off, and numerous crash landing seemed bit hokey to me.

This movie was plagued by over acting by our new cast members, I just didn't think Kylo Ren, aka "Hippster Vader" was evil enough, just full of teen angst.

Han & Chewie moments, were gold, and I thought Harrison Ford's performance saved this movie for me.

Supreme Leader Snoke, just looked ridiculous, and Captain Phasma had no presence.

You would of though the remnants of the Empire now First Order, would of had a conversation regarding the failing's of the two Death Star's vs the Star Killer Base.

Keep in mind they have had 30 years to think of some thing new.

I still think that Finn is will turn out to be Lando's son.

 

[KShine]

5 hours ago, vexxet said:

 

The credited "writers" of this movie should be ashamed - There is zero chance that they didn't realize what they were doing (plagiarism).

George Lucas wrote this movie.

Whatever story exists just fell into place, there is no hidden questions that anyone involved with this movie has any answer for yet (they don't even really know what is going to happen in 8 & 9). The writers of the remaining movies will just try to figure out clever ways to fill in the holes (and they know that the fans will all declare it brilliance, as if it explains why events in 7 had taken place).

Lucas did some things wrong, but he cared a lot. His movies (OT & prequels) had a story to tell. This movie was not part of a bigger story, it has no end goal.

[exciter1]

11 minutes ago, KShine said:

The credited "writers" of this movie should be ashamed - There is zero chance that they didn't realize what they were doing (plagiarism).

George Lucas wrote this movie.

Whatever story exists just fell into place, there is no hidden questions that anyone involved with this movie has any answer for yet (they don't even really know what is going to happen in 8 & 9). The writers of the remaining movies will just try to figure out clever ways to fill in the holes (and they know that the fans will all declare it brilliance, as if it explains why events in 7 had taken place).

Lucas did some things wrong, but he cared a lot. His movies (OT & prequels) had a story to tell. This movie was not part of a bigger story, it has no end goal.

End goal ----------------------------------------->>>>>>>$$$

[Darth_Raichu]

5 hours ago, redghostx said:

Quote: They steal children from their families and train them as soldiers. 

So you're saying that they are the Borg?

Sorry, the Borg would have assimilated the WHOLE family, not just the kids

[Darth_Raichu]

6 hours ago, trekgate502 said:

it is because it is the same reason as in indiana jones raiders of the lost ark

right after the guy says throw me the idol, I throw you the whip ....

that overhead rock door starts closing on indy where he has to slide through and then reach his hand back to grab his whip before it closes

if you watch the movie they shoot the door scene from at least two angles changing cameras

in the later angle the door is back higher than it was in the first shot

lol

That explained the lake scene in Star Trek Insurrection

[thoroakenfelder]

I believe that this movie was meticulously planned. Maybe not as a complete story, definitely not as an original story. It was designed and planned to bring people back into the fold. For those disenchanted with the series due to the prequels and 1000 novels and comics that muddy things up, it was a palate cleanser. It reset people back to the Star Wars that they remember.

The people who wanted new and different were the ones most disappointed, while those who just wanted to get back to the classic Star Wars at any costs and those who just wanted to be entertained loved it. For me, I am in another camp, I find things to like in all of the Star Wars stuff, so this movie made me happy. I recognize that people have legitimate concerns and gripes about this film, but some of the haters are just gonna hate.

There was nothing more or less intrinsically wrong with this film than most things that we get in cinemas nowadays. It made my wife and kids excited to watch and they all want to go again. I'd say it did its job well. It brought back fans, it created new fans and it amused fans that were always there. Is it going to have enduring appeal? Possibly, but more because of its position amongst the rest of the series than on its own merits.

[thoroakenfelder]

5 hours ago, redghostx said:

Quote: They steal children from their families and train them as soldiers. 

So you're saying that they are the Borg?

Actually, isn't that sort of what the Jedi did? Take small children from their families, indoctrinate them into their cult and then send them out into the universe to spread their morality and message?

[KShine]

16 minutes ago, thoroakenfelder said:

The people who wanted new and different were the ones most disappointed, while those who just wanted to get back to the classic Star Wars at any costs and those who just wanted to be entertained loved it. For me, I am in another camp, I find things to like in all of the Star Wars stuff, so this movie made me happy. I recognize that people have legitimate concerns and gripes about this film, but some of the haters are just gonna hate.

I love all Star Wars (even the prequels). I even loved this movie for what it was (at least by pure enjoyment levels).

But the widespread proclamation of brilliance for this movie is absolutely absurd - it must somehow be tied to today's internet/media/culture (and it is amazing to watch).

Make no mistake though - Swindle, it's a swindle.

[Battrax]

The Jedi and the First Order later basically used janissaries.

I get there's quite a bit of nerd rage over the film but it was inevitable with the hype and people's unrealistic expectations. 

In the end this will increase the fanbase, correct a lot of bad feeling over the **** prequel trilogy and at the same time it is at a higher standard of quality with acting and filming. No Star Wars film would ever be confused to be a paragon of film art, anyway. This franchise came from a badly acted schlock trilogy of space fantasy operettas, not the equivalent of Kobayashi's "The Human Condition" trilogy in space.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Battrax

[Darth_Raichu]

49 minutes ago, KShine said:

The credited "writers" of this movie should be ashamed - There is zero chance that they didn't realize what they were doing (plagiarism).

George Lucas wrote this movie.

Whatever story exists just fell into place, there is no hidden questions that anyone involved with this movie has any answer for yet (they don't even really know what is going to happen in 8 & 9). The writers of the remaining movies will just try to figure out clever ways to fill in the holes (and they know that the fans will all declare it brilliance, as if it explains why events in 7 had taken place).

Lucas did some things wrong, but he cared a lot. His movies (OT & prequels) had a story to tell. This movie was not part of a bigger story, it has no end goal.

You cracked me up.  Were you seriously looking for originality from Hollywood?  

[thekragle]

I realized why I am not fond of the new star wars film. As a 40 year old I was excited to learn that Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher were coming back to reprise their roles as Han, Luke and Leia. And knowing that the three characters were in the movie I assumed the story would involve them heavily, but in the end the movie could have left all three out. 

It is as if Disney decided to wash their hands of George Lucas's 'old' Star Wars vision and start anew. (Which makes total sense - and cents = $)

Also ...If you have not noticed Harrison, Mark, and Carrie are old.

So Reboot the same story, as the original 1977 Star Wars, with young actors and Disney may be good for another 30 years.

Sadly, for me, the old characters were just used as a bridge to introduce the new ones. You did not need any of the three in this movie.

[Darth_Raichu]

10 minutes ago, Battrax said:

The Jedi and the First Order later basically used janissaries.

I get there's quite a bit of nerd rage over the film but it was inevitable with the hype and people's unrealistic expectations. 

In the end this will increase the fanbase, correct a lot of bad feeling over the **** prequel trilogy and at the same time it is at a higher standard of quality with acting and filming. No Star Wars film would ever be confused to be a paragon of film art, anyway. This franchise came from a badly acted schlock trilogy of space fantasy operettas, not the equivalent of Kobayashi's "The Human Condition" trilogy in space.

You forgot tons of  from merchandising. Don't forget this thing is an investment for Disney

[thekragle]

The person whom disappointed me most out of all of this was Lawrence Kasdan.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

You forgot tons of  from merchandising. Don't forget this thing is an investment for Disney

They want their 4 billion back a.s.a.p.

 

 

[Battrax]

7 minutes ago, Darth_Raichu said:

You forgot tons of  from merchandising. Don't forget this thing is an investment for Disney

Considering the prequel trilogy, Disney are so far treating the material and universe better than Lucas has! 

And I do love the merchandise push. Lucrative for us,  is what I think heh heh heh. 

[templesweeper]

7 hours ago, vexxet said:

I am so glad so many people enjoyed this movie, after all, that's what movies are suppose to do... entertain people.  

 

I saw this movie on opening night and have been avoiding posting on this movie everywhere until BA posted something about people actually talking about Star Wars TFA in another thread.  
 

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This movie was a remake without actually being called a remake.  A terrible joke was played onto the Star Wars fandom and it looks like JJ almost got away with borderline Plagiarism.  I wont type too much of my distain for this movie with fear of spoiling people, but are you guys serious?  The whole first scene was a complete rework of the first scene from Star Wars ANH.  Resistance fighter gets information and puts in in a droid before the Empire captures him/her and sends said droid off with important information... WTF?  Its all downhill from there as the second scene is another complete rip off where hero finds said droid and lives life with droid for a bit until found by the antagonists and having to egress off the planet in the Millenium Falcon.   Overall, there were 18 plot point ripoffs in total from the previous films throughout the whole movie.  Trying to be vague as possible, because you know... spoilers.

19 years passed from Episode 3 to episode 4 and the empire built the Death Star with unwatching/unaware eyes.  30 Years pass between episode 6 and 7 and the First Order with MUCH less manpower and probably the WHOLE Republic and resistance watching them MAKES A Base = Death Star but 20x bigger and the construction was probably slower?  That is terribly unbelievable.  The rebel alliance with much LESS cause to oppose the Empire, than the Republic and resistance, have spies that find the plans to the death star and are able to plan against it, However, The Republic and resistance(who have MUCH CAUSE TO DISTRUST TFO) in 30 years never learns of SKB and even Finn who is a FO Stormtrooper never mentions its existence.  WTF is even going on in this story? 

Don't even get me started in the Republic after having the empires starfleet shattered to the cosmos after Episode 6 leaves the remnants of the empire alive... Yeah.. I guess we should have let Nazi Germany exist after World War 2... that would have been a great idea.

 

Things I am willing to omit with the passage of time to learn the truth :

Rey using the force with as much proficiency as she did.  The only thing that screams to me about why she was so good was because her mind was wiped and she was a padawan of Luke's somehow.  If this proves false in the following films then the first movie is a joke.

Kylo Ren being relatively a whining crybaby brat who throws temper tantrums :  Anakin was pretty much a emo sniveling punk in the prequels so if alloted the passage of time he could become as terrifying as Darth Vadar.  We are seeing Kylo Ren at his embryo stage and that is ok.

 

I don't like the prequels, they were off the mark for me.  Jar Jar was a horrible idea, but at least they were original.  This mess is a travesty to the Star Wars fandom and it is easily the worst movie of the 7.

Firstly, regarding Star Killer base being unrealistic to build....remember, they didn't have to build the whole thing.  It was a planet first.  The weapon was merely built into it, so it wouldn't have taken as long. 

And how exactly did the Empire's starfleet get shattered to the cosmos after Episode 6?  The Death Star blew up, but we don't see what happened to all the ships.  In one of the novels that came out recently, it even talks about how the Imperial ships moved away from the Death Star once they saw it was going to blow.  There was also a battle over Jakku a year later (thus all the downed ships you see all over that planet). 

Man, I really loved this movie.  I understand there were a few plot points rehashed, but that was all part of Lucas' vision.  He rehashed his OWN stuff multiple times throughout the series.....more than you think.  He said Star Wars is a poem, and it repeats itself like a rhyme.  So, Abrams was following that motif.  He said as much.  The movie is hysterical, full of action, maybe the most interesting Star Wars villain ever.  And this is from a lifelong Star Wars fan.  They made some BRAVE choices in this film. 

[Bold-Arrow]

http://epicstream.com/videos/Heres-Proof-That-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Supreme-Leader-Snoke-is-Darth-Plagueis

anyone seen this ? Interesting analysis .

 

[exciter1]

7 minutes ago, Bold-Arrow said:

http://epicstream.com/videos/Heres-Proof-That-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Supreme-Leader-Snoke-is-Darth-Plagueis

anyone seen this ? Interesting analysis .

 

Is that the one with the dude talking for 2 minutes about the music and force lightning?

[templesweeper]

6 hours ago, redghostx said:

Ok, I watched this movie tonight and...

I've seen it before, it's simply a remix of Star Wars and the empire strikes back. There was nothing wrong with it, but it is simply very good, but not great, and NOT memorable or terribly surprising. It simply exists.

I much preferred what Mr. Abrams did with the Star Trek reboot.

Now I can go back and read through 80 pages of comments as I had seen and heard virtually nothing until I saw the movie (only one ten second trailer)

I thought as you did, mostly.  Until I saw it again and I was just able to absorb it.  It was strange for me watching a Star Wars movie that I basically didn't have memorized.  On second viewing I really found myself gripped by the performances and there are really some classic lines. I have talked to quite a few people whose opinion of the movie greatly increased on second and third viewings. 

[Bold-Arrow]

5 minutes ago, exciter1 said:

Is that the one with the dude talking for 2 minutes about the music and force lightning?

One of the two videos does. 

[templesweeper]

2 hours ago, NZ-EUG said:

As much as I marked out to be in at the movies watching a Star Wars film after so many years.

I was kinda left with a slighty underwhelming feeling, upon leaving the cinema.

Stars Wars a new hope version 2.0 was not what I wanted, there's a fine line between a paying homage to the Orignal Triliogy at the risk of becoming a self parody.

The Falcon, crash taking off, and numerous crash landing seemed bit hokey to me.

This movie was plagued by over acting by our new cast members, I just didn't think Kylo Ren, aka "Hippster Vader" was evil enough, just full of teen angst.

Han & Chewie moments, were gold, and I thought Harrison Ford's performance saved this movie for me.

Supreme Leader Snoke, just looked ridiculous, and Captain Phasma had no presence.

You would of though the remnants of the Empire now First Order, would of had a conversation regarding the failing's of the two Death Star's vs the Star Killer Base.

Keep in mind they have had 30 years to think of some thing new.

I still think that Finn is will turn out to be Lando's son.

 

Watch it again, and I can pretty much guarantee you that you'll like it a lot more the second time.  It's a lot to take in/evaluate on the first viewing.  Yeah, I'd rather it not have rehashed so many of  A New Hope's plot points, but that doesn't take away from it being a really, really good self-contained film.  I absolutely loved all the new actors, especially Daisy Ridley who played Rey.  I think she's an absolute star. 

[templesweeper]

1 hour ago, KShine said:

The credited "writers" of this movie should be ashamed - There is zero chance that they didn't realize what they were doing (plagiarism).

George Lucas wrote this movie.

Whatever story exists just fell into place, there is no hidden questions that anyone involved with this movie has any answer for yet (they don't even really know what is going to happen in 8 & 9). The writers of the remaining movies will just try to figure out clever ways to fill in the holes (and they know that the fans will all declare it brilliance, as if it explains why events in 7 had taken place).

Lucas did some things wrong, but he cared a lot. His movies (OT & prequels) had a story to tell. This movie was not part of a bigger story, it has no end goal.

What are you talking about?!?!?  No end goal?  There absolutely is an end goal.  The trilogy has already been mapped out.  They aren't winging it at all.  That's one of the things I really appreciated about this movie was that they didn't rush the plot points.  They could have forced Like into the story WAY earlier.  That was a really brave decision to hold him off like they did.  And I think you're giving Lucas too much credit in terms of originality.  Lucas himself borrowed from TONS of places (and A New Hope itself is a direct copy of other films).  Lucas even borrowed from himself throughout the saga.  But that's what he wanted.